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OfflineAmygdala
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Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips???
    #3725691 - 02/03/05 07:07 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

Ok, I've got the straw, its been finely shredded via a food processor.
I've got a whole shitload of horse, em, shit.
I've got a 66qt rubbermaid approx 13 in. tall

The plan:
soak horse dung for 24 hrs to leach, then let completly dry. Or can I just leach and then go straight to the past. after I dump the water?
while dung is drying, soak straw for 24 hrs, combine straw/poo 75/25 and then mix that with verm at 50/50. Pasturize on stove top in a pillow case and keeping temp at 175f for 4 hours. Hang up to dry for 24, or 48 hrs?
Then layer to a depth of 4in, mix with 5qts of spawn. place a 1 inch casing layer of 50/50 coir/verm on top of that once it is colonized. The tub will have 4- 1 Inch holes drilled and stuffed with polyfill right above the casing layer, so approx. 5.5 inches up the side.

How often will it need fanned, and should I even mist this?
Whats the best way to get the moisture content right via this method?
Will a tub of this size need any additional heat for incubation, or will a blanket over the top suffice?
I'm looking for any positive (or negative) input because I'd like to do things right without cutting any corners, please let me know If im missing anything.

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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: Amygdala]
    #3725773 - 02/03/05 07:17 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

your mushies are gonna grow againts the lid if they like it in there!

I suggest a double tub, there is a thread about it in the growlog section. You dont need mist and fanning in double tub either.

Drain the straw 24 hours is enough.

edit: the dog, is it a weimaraner? no?


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: Amygdala]
    #3725884 - 02/03/05 07:37 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

the poop/straw should all colonize(turn all white) before you add the casing layer.


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3726875 - 02/03/05 10:08 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

I actually had considered the doubletub, as the idea sounds good, but lookin at the pics, the results looked poor to me, the mushrooms were sparse, and very uneven. If a doubletub would produce close to what a single tub would when cared for properly I would consider it, but reading through the thread it appeared that no one replicated the results as well as the poster claimed. If anyone has experience with a doubletub and can vouch for a good yield then I am definately up for it. Also, finding the right tubs with the "lips" was confusing to me, as office depot no longer carries the CB60, though a rubbermaid "roughneck" looked decent enough, with some saran wrap around the crack.

A few of the "high profile" growers have suggested I stay away from double-tub


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: Amygdala]
    #3729107 - 02/04/05 06:42 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Ow send a message to Iamthewalrus, he has good yields and can provide info. He is a DT fan and probably willing to do so.

Anyway your tub isnt high enough for the substrate (level) you use...

A tub with perlite on the bottom and a coolmist for airexchange could also work fine for you.

BTW: "the results looked poor to me, the mushrooms were sparse, and very uneven."

Thats not due to DT, thats about not paying attention. Like not patching.


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3729792 - 02/04/05 12:46 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

As MF said, the tek isnt the problem, its just how its normally used. The DT tek is meant to be a set it and forget it neglect tek. If you dont want to do any work, that will get you a decent amount of mushrooms..though far from optimal.

The point of you using the touble tub would be to give your shrooms more hieght to grow. You could fan and mist just like normal...but instead of putting the lid that came with it on, you put another tub on upsidedown as the lid. That will also give the shrooms some more airspace (IMO the less crammed in the shroomies are the better they grow) for co2 and such between air exchanges.

I think you could get away without the lid fine though..you could have 7.5" shrooms before hitting the top. You may not get any taller then that but you probably wont get many taller then that at least and whatever is, can hit the top and bend just fine...


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3729882 - 02/04/05 01:14 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Hey SMR

I had 7,5 inch shrooms in only 3 inch of straw. Anyway I have dropplets on teh lid as well. I am bit afraid of bacterial contams when the caps meet the moist lid.

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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3730089 - 02/04/05 02:01 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Yeah, they probably wont get to much bigger on thicker straw...some of my biggest off of 4-4.5 inches of straw:


In my hand (second pic) those are 7 shrooms weighing 288 grams...none of them were over 8..they didnt even really hit 8...the one at the ruler is the tallest and was pretty much 8. Probably 7.5 or so above ground though.

I think the shrooms will tend to get fatter and thicker rather then taller when you move from 3 inches to 4 inches of straw.

He is using poo though..forgot about that..either way could be same case. And it will depend on strain too...some strains produce taller mushrooms, some squatter and fatter.. Either way I'm not saying you can't get them over 7.5 inches..I'm just saying theres a good chance that you could do it with just the lid on and be ok, and then if it does become a problem a tub on the top could be introduced or plastic of some sort over the top. And I mean if you got shrooms 8 inches and taller, is it really ever a problem :smile:


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: Amygdala]
    #3730149 - 02/04/05 02:21 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

lol

your fruits are way more massive then the ones I had from straw.


These where among the most solid. Dry they are very thin.

But when you get an Orissa Roadkill style, it got over 20 inch.. :grin:


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3730301 - 02/04/05 02:54 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Right, Orissas can grow some of the biggest cubies there are though..thats why I mentioned strain...

I did cheat with my straw a bit...I didnt fruit them in the rubbermaids with manual fanning and misting of each rubbermaid..they went in my fruiting chamber on shelves with no lids just like the other casings getting 99% humidity and lots of fresh air. And dunking straw helps alot...I got incredible 3rd flushes from straw.. A nice casing layer on a thick casing is good too I think...

I forget where I was going with this...and where I put my pipe....


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: Amygdala]
    #3730455 - 02/04/05 03:17 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

lol nice expressions.:) Im trying dunking with the Orissa and GT. Orissa will hopefully pin soon and the GT is on its second flush now.

I have them in my PMP, RH is high...


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3730512 - 02/04/05 03:26 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Yeah, I had considered the height, but once they're that hieght they're likely to be close enough to maturation to pick, Im one who doesn't like my caps to begin to darken much. Thanks for the feedback though, I may just do singletub and doubletub and see which I prefer. I've also been looking into using an airpump on a timer to facilitate air exchange.


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: Amygdala]
    #3730611 - 02/04/05 03:41 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

As you do, look into keeping rh high with constant dry air exchange. There are ways but keep in mind when you do air exchange that to much without the humidity to go with it is going to be just as bad or worse!


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3732375 - 02/04/05 10:24 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Just picked this up today...

was thinking of attaching it to the inside of the lid, its battery operated so I figured if it does go out quickly, no harm done. I also picked up a few solid rubbermaids, 16in. high to avoid any crowding, also going to try running an air hose into the top of the tub on a 30 mins on, 1hr off timer, with the polyfill holes still above the casing. Any suggestions?

The dog is a german shepard / beagle mix. I pity the beagle on the recieving end of that!


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: Amygdala]
    #3732988 - 02/05/05 12:24 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

...and just realized I might as well take it back, seeing as its battery operated, I can't exactly automate it.


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: Amygdala]
    #3734227 - 02/05/05 06:39 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Ahh ok! Bout the dog.. :wink: Sweet doggy!



A Cuvac! :laugh:

Yes good Buy, that light. Good for a stealthy setup. I use ordinary daylight though.
Sounds good bout the holes etc. Dont know how strong your pump is, but I would just leave it on. So that air refreshes a few times each hour.
In nature it refreshes a couple of times per minute...... :wink:


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3735352 - 02/05/05 03:47 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

ok, now I've heard of grows like this having a problem with moisture collecting on the bottom of the tub, and have read a few solutions:

Place the substrate onto a black garbage back so moisture drips under it.

Place perlite underneath the substrate.

Place drainage holes in the main tub, and place it into another.

Is this problem really an issue, and which of these solutions is the sensible one?


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Re: Starting Bulk! Straw/poo (horse) tips??? [Re: Amygdala]
    #3735898 - 02/05/05 05:41 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Which grows have probs with moist at the bottom?

moist at bottom
- will not penetrate a garbage bag. Why black? Can only imagine to prevent pins on the bottom when it is exposed to light.
- vermiculite absorbs much better then perlite. casing layer in the bottom might work too.
- drainage holes ok, but after one or two times you get the watercontent right. Not needed.. IMHO

Dont know if it is an issue. Here it hasnt been yet. Not in the PMP and not in the small tubs I use for casing either.

ATM I have a 2ft*1,5ft straw/poo tub with GT colonising the casing layer as we speak. But as far as I know no probs either in terms off too much moist at the bottom....



My light aint automated either BTW. And it aint exactly stealthed, to say the least... :grin:


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