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Panaeolus foenisecii
    #3725602 - 02/03/05 06:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I found some mushrooms that look like Panaeolus foenisecii. My question is: Do they turn blue when bruised? Are they good for eating?
I'll be back later with pics.
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Re: Panaeolus foenisecii [Re: donkeyballs]
    #3725657 - 02/03/05 07:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

They could be a number of things, please give us a proper ID with a picture to further give you information.

If they are Pan Foes they will not bruise blue and are not active, and only good for eating if you like sitting on your toilet for hours.

If they are subbs they may bruise blue near the base of the stem, but usualy it just looks like darkening on the deep inside, yet most dont. subbs are active but take alot to have an "experience", but still will put you on the toilet.
They could also be p. gracilis, not edible, possibly poisonous.

And I see you referred to them as "Panaeolus". All Panaeolus have black spore prints, while foes have brown, therefore they have been placed into Panaeolina species.

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Re: Panaeolus foenisecii [Re: CptnGarden]
    #3726786 - 02/03/05 09:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think Panaeolina was seperated from Panaeolus by roughness of the spores...

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Panaeolina foenesecii is a synonym;
some mycologists separate Panaeolina from Panaeolus on the basis of roughened, rather than smooth, spores.


from this link: http://www.bluewillowpages.com/mushroomexpert/panaeolus_foenisecii.html

Foenisecii and subbalteatus are a laxative??? How is that?

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Re: Panaeolus foenisecii [Re: xIcy]
    #3727558 - 02/03/05 11:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Panaeolina is a genus and so is Panaeolus.

Panaeolina has four species in the genera and Panaeolus has over 28.

Panaeolina spores are Chocolate brown and Panaeolus spores are black.

In the early 1900s, several mycologists form different parts of the world and the USA placed the mushroom in several different genera.

As of this year, several prominant mycologists still carry the mistakes of others.

If you want to learn about the history of Panaeolina foenisecii Maire than read the paper posted here at the shroomery.

Or from this URL at my site.

http://www.mushroomjohn.com/panaeolina1.htm

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And ShroomieofDoomie, Panaeolina is a genus not a species,

Here are the four speices of Panaeolina
32. Panaeolina foenisecii (Pers. : Fr.) Maire [= Panaeolus foenisecii (Pers.: Fr.) K?hner; Psathyrella foenisecii (Pers. : Fr.) A.H. Sm.]
33. P. rhombisperma Hongo (about Gerhardt, 1996, this is a nom. excl.) [Horak (1980) considered this species as Crucispora rhombisperma (Hongo) Horak]
34. P. sagarae Hongo (about Gerhardt, 1996, this is a nom excl.)
35. P. microsperma Natarajan & Raman (= Panaeolina indica Sathe & J.T. Daniel; this is the true name about Gerhardt, 1996)


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and the breakdown of the synonyms.

Over the past 75 years, P. foenisecii has been placed in various genera, including Psilocybe (Ricken 1915), Coprinus (Michael 1919) and Psathyrella (Smith 1972). Taxonomic reference to the genus and synonyms for the species include the following binomials listed according to their chronological taxonomic description.


Panaeolina R. Maire, Treb. Mus. Nat. Barcel. ser. Bot. 15:109 (1933).
Type species: Agaricus foenisecii Pers.:Fr., Syst. Mycol. 1:295 (1821).
Typonym: Psilocybe Fayod, Ann. Sci. Nat. (Bot.) 7(9):377 (1889).

Panaeolina foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) R. Maire (Haymakers).

Agaricus foenisecii Pers.:Fr., Syst. Mycol. 1:295 (1821).
Psilocybe foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) Quelet, Champ. Jura. Vosges 1:47 (1872).
Drosophila foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) Quelet, Enchiridion:117 (1886).
Psathyra foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) Bert, Bull. Soc. Mycol. Fr. 17:227 (1901).
Panaeolus foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) Kuhner. Botaniste 17:187 (1926).
Panaeolina foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) R. Maire, Treb. Mus. Cienc. Nat. Barcel. ser. Bot. 15:109 (1933).
Psathyrella foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) A. H. Smith, Mem. NY Bot. Gdn. 24:32 (1972).


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Re: Panaeolus foenisecii [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3729598 - 02/04/05 11:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well thanks for that correction.


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