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Alternative Mesc Tar extraction? *DELETED*
    #3724849 - 02/03/05 04:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Alternative Mesc Tar extraction? [Re: dblaney]
    #3726225 - 02/03/05 08:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Could you not use water
then boil it down to a solid?


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Re: Alternative Mesc Tar extraction? *DELETED* [Re: Ego Death]
    #3726294 - 02/03/05 08:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Alternative Mesc Tar extraction? [Re: dblaney]
    #3726697 - 02/03/05 09:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

perhaps the question is "what is mescaline most sluble in? and what common product is it most soluble in?"

does it dissolve in water or iso alc better?

i dotn know, i would liek to though as i am trying to do the same as you in a couple weeks.


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Re: Alternative Mesc Tar extraction? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3726815 - 02/03/05 10:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This is the Merck Index monograph for mescaline. It doesnt give solubility constants but i thought it might be useful anyway.

Monograph Number: 5932
Title: Mescaline
CAS Registry Number: 54-04-6
CAS Name: 3,4,5-Trimethoxybenzeneethanamine
Additional Names: 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine; mezcaline
Molecular Formula: C11H17NO3
Molecular Weight: 211.26.
Percent Composition: C 62.54%, H 8.11%, N 6.63%, O 22.72%
Literature References: Psychotomimetic alkaloid isolated from peyote (mescal buttons), the flowering heads of Lophophora williamsii (Lemaire) Coult., Cactaceae. Isoln: A. Heffter, Ber. 29, 221 (1896). Structure and synthesis: E. Sp?th, Monatsh. 40, 129 (1919); K. H. Slotta, H. Heller, Ber. 63, 3029 (1930); E. Sp?th, F. Becke, Monatsh. 66, 327 (1935); M. U. Tsao, J. Am. Chem. Soc. 73, 5495 (1951); K. Banholzer et al., Helv. Chim. Acta 35, 1577 (1952). Novel synthesis: M. N. Aboul-Enein, A. I. Eid, Acta Pharm. Suec. 16, 267 (1979). MS determn: S. P. Jindal, T. Lutz, Eur. J. Mass Spectrom. Biochem. Med. Environ. Res. 2, 117 (1982). Pharmacokinetics in rabbits: C. Van Peteghem et al., Eur. J. Drug Metab. Pharmacokinet. 7, 1 (1982). Mode of action study: M. E. Trulson et al., Eur. J. Pharmacol. 96, 151 (1983). Use in evaluating serotonin S2 antagonists: C. J. E. Niemegeers et al., Drug Dev. Res. 3, 123 (1983). Evaluation of use with chlorpromazine, q.v., in various psychoses: H. C. B. Denber, S. Merlis: J. Nerv. Ment. Dis. 122, 463 (1955). Toxicity data: L. B. Speck, J. Pharmacol. Exp. Ther. 119, 78 (1957); H. F. Hardman et al., Toxicol. Appl. Pharmacol. 25, 299 (1973). Reviews: A. R. Patel, Progress in Drug Research vol. 11, E. Jucker, Ed. (Birkha?ser Verlag, Basel, 1968) pp 11-47; G. J. Kapadia, M. B. E. Fayez, J. Pharm. Sci. 59, 1699-1727 (1970).
Properties: Crystals, mp 35-36?. bp12 180?. Moderately sol in water; sol in alcohol, chloroform, benzene. Practically insol in ether, petr ether. Takes up CO2 from the air and forms a crystalline carbonate. LD50 i.p. in rats: 370 mg/kg (Speck).
Melting point: mp 35-36?
Boiling point: bp12 180?
Toxicity data: LD50 i.p. in rats: 370 mg/kg (Speck)

Derivative Type: Hydrochloride
Molecular Formula: C11H17NO3.HCl
Molecular Weight: 247.72.
Percent Composition: C 53.33%, H 7.32%, N 5.65%, O 19.38%, Cl 14.31%
Properties: Needles, mp 181?. Sol in water, alcohol. LD50 in mice, rats, guinea pigs (mg/kg): 212, 132, 328 i.p. (Hardman).
Melting point: mp 181?
Toxicity data: LD50 in mice, rats, guinea pigs (mg/kg): 212, 132, 328 i.p. (Hardman)

Derivative Type: Sulfate dihydrate
Molecular Formula: (C11H17NO3)2.H2SO4.2H2O
Molecular Weight: 556.63.
Percent Composition: C 47.47%, H 7.24%, N 5.03%, O 34.49%, S 5.76%
Properties: Prisms, mp 183-186?. Sol in hot water, methanol; sparingly sol in cold water, ethanol.
Melting point: mp 183-186?

Derivative Type: Acid sulfate
Molecular Formula: C11H17NO3.H2SO4
Molecular Weight: 309.34.
Percent Composition: C 42.71%, H 6.19%, N 4.53%, O 36.20%, S 10.37%
Properties: Crystals, mp 158?.
Melting point: mp 158?

Derivative Type: N-Benzoylmescaline
Properties: Needles from aq alc, mp 121?. Very sol in alcohol, ether.
Melting point: mp 121?

Derivative Type: N-Methylmescaline
Properties: Occurs naturally, bp 130-140?.
Boiling point: bp 130-140?

Derivative Type: N-Acetylmescaline
Properties: Occurs naturally, mp 94?.
Melting point: mp 94?

NOTE: This is a controlled substance (hallucinogen): 21 CFR, 1308.11.


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Re: Alternative Mesc Tar extraction? *DELETED* [Re: Gandhi]
    #3726927 - 02/03/05 10:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


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Re: Alternative Mesc Tar extraction? [Re: dblaney]
    #3727606 - 02/04/05 12:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for the info guys. i would kin dof assume that both the low melting point and teh less soluble in water contributes to people failures...makes sense.

as for what type of alcohol im nto sure. but i would only assume based on %'s that iso would be better...unless you could of course get yourself soem higher prrof than that bicardi 151 stuff.


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