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Re: Beyond Level 5? [Re: indica]
    #5425791 - 03/21/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

On level 5 journeys has anyone experienced floating through vast space with columns spaced like the Parthenon's?

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Re: Beyond Level 5? [Re: Something]
    #5425909 - 03/21/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

had that in a k-hole once.

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Re: Beyond Level 5? [Re: Something]
    #5425925 - 03/21/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

this is an easy way to see it.

level 5 trip is 5 and up. so a level 1000 trip would still technically be called level 5. i think from 1 - 4 its easy to categorize events, effects, thoughts, etc. from 5 and up, its an insane, uncontrollable, and illogical event. its kinda hard to categorize chaos.


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Re: Beyond Level 5? [Re: rDr4g0n]
    #5426438 - 03/21/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

is k hole ketamin? I did that crap as a kid.What a drunken acid trip that was!

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Re: Beyond Level 5? [Re: Something]
    #5432635 - 03/23/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

if anything is beyond level 5, it would probably the 40dry gram experiment report i read, crazy shit
http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=16442


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Re: Beyond Level 5? [Re: TrauM]
    #5435255 - 03/23/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ive had a trip like that  with A LOT OF ACID..  the stroy is like this..  i had a vial with a thinn layer of acid (i had taken the previous 100 hits in 3 motnhs as well with selling them..  so instead of doing the mistake of risning and taking a huge dose cause of the residue on the side of the glass.  i pretty much sipped it plus the acid on the side of the glass...  it just kept going deeper and deeper..  kind of like i was walking into water in somes sensee  like some part of me..  i felt water around my skin  and felt like i couldnt breather that well.  the hal;lucinations are so vivid and complex and took forms that would take a whole boof cesribing them)  total ego loss as well..  you arre connected into a stream of coonciousness and knowledge than my personality, characteristics, .  your mind is going 900mph  ..  100x times normal thinking and rate ..  a billion sentences between your words when yopure speaking at me)  people lokok surreal.  staged moviesh.  seeijg all these parents that look like the were from florida with a little 8 yr old fat kid on vacation

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You have all forgotten the important point here..
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<br> When you hit a level 5 trip, you have lost connection with reality..if you have lost connection with reality, there is no more, you cannot go further..
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<br> Or at least thats how it works in my books..correct me if wrong :wink:<br><br>Catch me @ codred.xs3.com




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Re: Beyond Level 5? [Re: leafing]
    #5438108 - 03/24/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

there is a way around level 5 being a maxium level...what if u went so far u lost your ego and all that, BUT you went even farther, like losing touch with reality and ego is only part of a transition into a parallel universe of say, level 6?where once u reach this level 6 you regain your ego??


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Re: Beyond Level 5? [Re: TrauM]
    #5445801 - 03/27/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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You have all forgotten the important point here..
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<br> When you hit a level 5 trip, you have lost connection with reality..if you have lost connection with reality, there is no more, you cannot go further..
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<br> Or at least thats how it works in my books..correct me if wrong :wink:<br><br>Catch me @ codred.xs3.com




This is what I'm thinking..

When one ingests enough shrooms to reach level 5, there is still room for panic.  Obviously when you panic, you're telling yourself something isn't right, and need immediate evacuation.  If one had complete loss of reality, panic wouldn't exist.  To me, there is definitely an ongoing "level".  Until you eat so much to be physically disabling.. coma or death.


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Re: Beyond Level 5? [Re: hoboblues]
    #5493155 - 04/08/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

first off, like _cantara_, i've had enough 'level 5's to know what they are without question.  and although it is a personal experience that could be gradated from level 1-1000, that would result in an almost useless scale.  i think the 1-5 level scale it very useful when people read and understand the descriptions of each state.

sure, it is very course in quantifying something as subjective as experience, but that also a lower error rate.  experience is definitely the key to using the scale though.

as far as what is 'beyond' level 5, i'm sure there is something, but you just don't come back to talk about it, ever.  i'm sure someone has ingested enough various neural enhancers to just get stuck that way, brain death so to speak.  but how knows, prolly not on shrooms, though, certainly on designer concoctions.

added:  i was looking at the level descriptions.  now, i consider myself an experienced psychonaut  :smirk:, and feel i have used the majority of psychotropics to their limits. 

anyway, i think that the scale is used a little inaccurately.  i honestly don't think many people ever get to four, or consider it a bad trip if they have.  my personal gauge is thus:

1:  music seems more lively, imagingation goes up a bit.  basically what i felt like when i was a teenager with headphones on.

2: i can close my eyes and see some coloured static, call them 2d patterns, whatever.

3: i can close my eyes and see 3d shapes.  i know i am tripping and just enjoy watching the walls move about.  kinda hard to follow a movie plot.

4: i am crawling on the floor trying to find a piece of paper to write shit down, since i've totally lost touch.  my mind is making up false pasts that i recall clearly, but are conflicting, and oh boy, confusing.  severe visual distortions.

4.5:  can't see straight, the eye wiggles + tracers make it pretty much are do to anything but crawl on all fours from one place to the next, provided you don't forget where you were going in those 15 and change direction.  usually you never make it anywere.  also a fun time is putting on talk radio, and despite putting the speaker up to your ear, you cannot make any sense of what they are even talking about from one sentence to the next.  fun game though.

5: i personally call this "theme by strauss" (intro to 'Also Sprach Zarathustra' used in the the movie _2001: space odyssey_)  from the first 5ish time i went to close my eyes to see what i could see, and while i thought i had closed them, i had not.  and the strauss theme played loudly as i floated in a large spaceship.  the backstreet boys were there too, frozen in sleep units each wearing a different brightly coloured spacesuit...  but i digress.  later i just detatched, did the whole hive mind thing.  when i did come around enough to move i was just able to see some light out from under the covers before they all turned to caves and mountains...

that kinda general thing.  the vision may have felt like 10 minutes, but 3 hours had passed.  with no recollection of the cd's in the cd changer having played through (none of which were Strauss, btw)

bumm, Bumm, BUMM,  BA! BUUUM!!!  ah, the sunrise...


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Re: Beyond Level 5? [Re: outerwave]
    #5506476 - 04/12/06 02:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

Another thing about the level fives is that you really only remember the ride up and down with any degree (no matter how small) of clarity at all. Being in that rolling tide of namelessness and senselessness is like the opposite end of the spectrum of sensory deprivation, and of course, ends up having the same effect (kinda like how you can't see in pitch black, but you can't see if you're staring into a floodlight either). Your brain, even if it were working at full capacity, would have little to retain. And with your identity so worn away, whose memories would they be?

The scale works. Any desire to "go past" the end of the scale is just something that sounds cool to the uninformed. You'd never know you were there even if you could go.


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Re: Beyond Level 5? [Re: Radioethiopia]
    #5517792 - 04/15/06 01:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what if death is not but another begining which u can chose to exist or not whereever whenever whoever ... pure enlightenment to become god.

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Re: Beyond Level 5? [Re: poptart355]
    #5517822 - 04/15/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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there is a way around level 5 being a maxium level...what if u went so far u lost your ego and all that, BUT you went even farther, like losing touch with reality and ego is only part of a transition into a parallel universe of say, level 6?where once u reach this level 6 you regain your ego??




That's how I look at it. Level 5 you lose reality and beyond that you establish a new reality. I've seen worlds within worlds within worlds, but I haven't gone into them. Just knowing they were there was enough at that time.

Is it me or does it not always depend on high doses to reach level 5? I've had two or three dry grams and completely lost touch with reality and myself. I usually end up inside my own head looking at beautiful landscapes, until I merge with them and become them and become nothing at the same time.

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