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The purpose of philosophical discussions?
    #3714191 - 02/01/05 06:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

"All discussions upon philosophy are necessarily sterile, since truth is beyond language. They are, however, useful if carried far enough -- if carried to the point when it becomes apparent that all arguments are arguments in a circle." Crowley

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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: dorkus]
    #3714262 - 02/01/05 06:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Do we need a purpose?



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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: Swami]
    #3714281 - 02/01/05 06:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

That's a philosophical question in itself.


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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: dorkus]
    #3714380 - 02/01/05 06:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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dr_mandelbrot said:
"All discussions upon philosophy are necessarily sterile, since truth is beyond language. They are, however, useful if carried far enough -- if carried to the point when it becomes apparent that all arguments are arguments in a circle." Crowley

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That's a pretty awesome quote because it's so true. Nobody ever changes their mind about something from reading this forum. It's just arguing, over and over.


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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: freddurgan]
    #3714440 - 02/01/05 06:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

each presents a new facet.
good for making connections and keeping awake.
bad for taking too serious


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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: dorkus]
    #3714479 - 02/01/05 07:06 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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dr_mandelbrot said:
"All discussions upon philosophy are necessarily sterile, since truth is beyond language. They are, however, useful if carried far enough -- if carried to the point when it becomes apparent that all arguments are arguments in a circle." Crowley

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is talking together, a discussion?
:grin:


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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: dorkus]
    #3714484 - 02/01/05 07:06 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well that's easy for Crowley to say, considering that he trafficked in superstitious muck. Naturally he would be disparaging of anyone trying to hold any kind of rational discourse concerning the human condition.


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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: Swami]
    #3714492 - 02/01/05 07:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Swami said:
Do we need a purpose?






if you need a purpose, a purpose, is purpose, enough...  :confused: :thumbup:
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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: Clark]
    #3714527 - 02/01/05 07:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Clark said:
Well that's easy for Crowley to say, considering that he trafficked in superstitious muck.  Naturally he would be disparaging of anyone trying to hold any kind of rational discourse concerning the human condition.




Would you be so kind as to be of some use to this forum :wink: , and educate me on the matter of rational discourse?

And do you think you have any rational thoughts about the human condition?

Do you think being rational is rational? Can rationality be defended with something other than rationality?  :confused:


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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: freddurgan]
    #3714555 - 02/01/05 07:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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freddurgan said:
Quote:

dr_mandelbrot said:
"All discussions upon philosophy are necessarily sterile, since truth is beyond language. They are, however, useful if carried far enough -- if carried to the point when it becomes apparent that all arguments are arguments in a circle." Crowley

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That's a pretty awesome quote because it's so true. Nobody ever changes their mind about something from reading this forum. It's just arguing, over and over.




i completely agree with this... There have been some times though where i have been shown completely wrong, and I will concede the point, which usually can break the wall of supposed truth on the other side as well, leading to the other side saying "and I do see your point about this, and it is valid in some respects".
I used to be bullheaded and stubborn (still am sometimes) and try to keep defending a diminishing point only to save face or not have to "eat crow". I foudn that this invalidates the entire point of arguing or discussing philosophical matters, which is to collectivly toss thoughts and ideas together, and share multiple veiwpoints and takes on X subject. Through this, people can begin adding and subtracting from their peices of the puzzle of the answer to the great question.


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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: slaphappy]
    #3714802 - 02/01/05 07:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Would you be so kind as to be of some use to this forum :wink: , and educate me on the matter of rational discourse?



I don't consider myself an expert.  But in my humble opinion, having the disembodied voice of Aiwaz dictate the secrets of the Aeon of Horus to you in a room in Cairo would be the antithesis of rational discourse.  I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb there. 

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And do you think you have any rational thoughts about the human condition?



Sure.  We all do.  I'm certain even Crowley had some.  He just didn't do much writing about them.  Mainly he just skimmed surface ideas from the Buddhists and Taoists (using the crummy translations available to him at the time) and pureed them in his "Thelema" blender.

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Do you think being rational is rational? Can rationality be defended with something other than rationality?  :confused:



Who shot who in the what now?  :confused:


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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: Clark]
    #3714885 - 02/01/05 08:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Crowley owned your ass the second he said:

Thy will shall be the whole of the law!


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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: slaphappy]
    #3717385 - 02/02/05 04:12 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

crowley really immersed, but really messed around too.

a bit too carney for my taste.
but it is easy to complain.

a good read for sure, something to wonder about, part of the process of keeping one's mind open at best.


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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: Swami]
    #3717394 - 02/02/05 04:16 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Swami said:
Do we need a purpose?





I think he's saying "So long and thanks for the fish."


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Re: The purpose of philosophical discussions? [Re: Silversoul]
    #3718186 - 02/02/05 10:17 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

philosophy
"the love of learning"
so the purpose of having a philosophical discussion would be to learn. That's good enough for me. Even if you don't change your mind, at least you can see other perspectives...


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