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Casing and pinning strategy?
    #3713182 - 02/01/05 01:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have about 3.5" of colonized bulk substrate ready to be cased. I am going to be casing it with 1" or so of straight verm.

Now for the casing layer I know that we don't want the entire layer colonized. Here is where I have 3 questions:

1) I'm pretty sure casing with straight verm is ok. But, is using this as opposed to involving peat moss, coir, and/or calcium carbonate so far from ideal that it'd be worth finding money I don't have to get them? (I'm really broke, in debt in fact, and I have the verm)

2) How deep below the surface should I allow the myc to reach before I initiate pinning with my ~1" casing layer?

3) Let the answer to my first question be represented by X.
Why not initially apply the casing layer at a depth of ~1" - X, allow that to fully colonize, then proceed to "patch" the entire surface with X amount of verm?
To me I see a major advantage of an even surface and colonization rate (though the rate is actually irrelevant, the surface is just evenly colonized), therefore permitting the chance of a much better pin set. Though I do not see any apparent disadvantages, the rule is typically for me, that any short cuts I find have most likely been thought out before and weighed as a negative.


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3713255 - 02/01/05 01:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

1. DEFINITELY!! use a mix verm/coir will improve yields considerably!
2. 1" is more than necessary for a 3.5 substrate cut it down to half that to 5/8". You'll want the myc to break the surface then check with a clean fork in random areas and confirm the myc in just about to break through if not patch the areas for a day or two while continuing to incubate. Then initiate making sure that casing is near saturation up to the time of initiating pinning.
3. Waste of precious time and mycelium energy.
If you haven't read Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. GL


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: hyphae]
    #3714304 - 02/01/05 06:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What about peat moss, is that a viable substitute for coir? I shopped around today and couldn't find any coir. I will order some offline for next time around, but this needs to be done tonight. Should I use a mix of peat moss and verm instead of straight verm? Does that carry any significant advantages?


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3714587 - 02/01/05 07:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If you use peat and verm, you could just use Jiffy mix. Alot of people claim to have success with peat.
But it would be worth it to try to find some coir, 1st choice-garden shop, 2nd choice- pet shop.

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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3714621 - 02/01/05 07:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I use peat and verm (I think Id rather use 100% peat then 100% verm)
About 4:1 ratio. Added about 1/10 crushed oyster shells, peat is rather acid, needs more calcium then coco coir.

I grew this on that casing:

An unpatched casing layer, just to rescue some mushrooms from the green mold.

And this GT:




And this (Orissa on straw/poo) casing was put in fruiting chamber today:


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    #3714642 - 02/01/05 07:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: bumper]
    #3715029 - 02/01/05 08:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, well I went out and got some peat moss. I mixed up a 50/50 batch of peat/verm. NOW, how about the advantages of having crushed oyster shell, can anyone attest to this?


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3715042 - 02/01/05 08:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Do a quick search on coco coir, it will describe the pH adjustment


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3715473 - 02/01/05 09:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Peat based is my casing of preference, I believe it has a superior microclimate to coir IME. When using peat based casing mixes (50/50+) I recommend using 1tsp. hydrated lime (short term buffer) per qt. of mix along with 1 tsp.-1tbs. egg/oystershell, lime, calcium carbonate (long term buffers) for optimum results. GL guys


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: hyphae]
    #3716958 - 02/02/05 02:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

And you'll definatly need the buffer...dont forget it with peat. I dont even like coir without it after trying it with...


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3717003 - 02/02/05 02:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Mushroom Friend, you are turning me on. It's all just so clean...sterile looking. Happy. Oh your picks just bring me to a warm place. :iloveyou:


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: ADoobie]
    #3718487 - 02/02/05 12:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So would you all claim that a pH buffer is super necessary? I didn't get around to doing it last night.

I know that some lime can easily burn my myc. What is the lime that I can add as much as I want and it'll still be safe?


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3718538 - 02/02/05 12:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

spliffmasta said:
So would you all claim that a pH buffer is super necessary? I didn't get around to doing it last night.




With peat based casings it is basically required (but you may get fruits without it, I did once).


Quote:

I know that some lime can easily burn my myc. What is the lime that I can add as much as I want and it'll still be safe?




That would be calcium carbonate, or crushed limestone.


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: ADoobie]
    #3718657 - 02/02/05 01:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hahaha! :lol:

Really, its not sterile the pics were taken a meter from where I sit and scratch my butt. They grow also in this room.

But I agree its nice pics for a noob like me! :laugh:


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: SunshinePounder]
    #3718666 - 02/02/05 01:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

coco coir craves different treatment cause its less acid then peat.

Anno once said in peat use 10% oystershells. (crushed :wink: )


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3718787 - 02/02/05 01:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Buffering is not essential if your only going for a couple of flushes. 10% is way more than necessary! 1tbs. MAX per qt. of casing is more than enough. Also I'll alway suggest hydrated to raise initial pH of the peat making more better suited for massive pinning besides a long term buffer. GL


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: hyphae]
    #3718802 - 02/02/05 01:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I use something like garden calcium and was adviced to use 1 part at 10 parts peat/verm.

Which makes 10%,  which gave me good fruits.... And which will give me multiple flushes, I hope... :wink:


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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: hyphae]
    #3718855 - 02/02/05 01:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Staying o/t, this is why I decided to go with coir right off the bat.
I'm sure that if you say peat is a better microenvironment, I believe you.
But I am not advanced to that point yet, and I don't know if I can get all the ingredients.
I haven't even found oyster shell for sure yet (someone says it was on the order sheet)
Would egg shells get me started?

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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #3723650 - 02/03/05 08:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Rinsed, cleaned and dried eggshells will work perrrfectly once powderized in a blender or coffee grinder :wink: 1tsp.-1tbs. per Qt.of casing mix. GL LL


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Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
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Re: Casing and pinning strategy? [Re: hyphae]
    #3723925 - 02/03/05 10:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

OK, I went out and got some "pulverised limestone." It is 93% calcium carbonate. I mixed in about 6 cups or so into a 4 gallon mixture. I cooked it for an hour at 250 degrees.
I'm going to spread it about 3/4" thick over my colonized bulk.
1) How long should I wait after casing to check to see if it's ready to be patched?
2) How many times should I patch?
3) Would it be a good idea to dig out a very small "indicator hole," about a 1/4-1/8" thick to see the status of the myc?


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