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InvisibleSilversoul
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The Hate Thread
    #3710997 - 02/01/05 01:30 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Disclaimer: Don?t take this post to seriously or too personally. It?s a light-hearted rant, and I don?t truly hate any of these groups(though I may hate what they stand for). I?ve been guilty of some of these things myself, so just lighten up and enjoy.

What I hate about liberals
Comparing everyone and everything they don?t like to the Nazis, and trying to somehow connect them. Blaming Bush and America for everything. Too many tin-foil hat wearers, and a strange preoccupation with Alex Jones(even though he?s conservative). Equating compassion with government programs. Misguided belief that government works, and that anything that seems wrong in the world requires legislation to fix it. Irrational hatred of the rich. Always siding with the underdog, regardless of whether they?re right or wrong. Condescending attitude towards middle America. Gross misunderstanding of what capitalism is, and hypocritical hatred of all things capitalist. Bitch and complain about America all the time, yet roll their eyes when people bitch and complain about taxes. Only like to be generous with other people?s money.

What I hate about conservatives
Too much flag-waving, not enough thinking. Actually believing that Fox News is fair and balanced. Too many religious nut jobs. Calling people un-American for defending the Constitution. Believing that war is usually the answer. Thinking that supporting the troops is the same as supporting the war. Still can?t get over Clinton and his blowjobs. Complain about political correctness, yet very willing to censor things they find obscene or disagree with. Desire to legislate their intolerant beliefs. Having control of Congress and the White House, yet still finding ways to blame everything on the Democrats. Support religious freedom, but only if you?re a Christian. Misguided belief that the US was founded as a Christian nation.

What I hate about libertarians
Too much Ayn Rand, not enough Adam Smith. Too much principle, not enough pragmatism. Too many liberventionists? and Republicans posing as libertarians. Belief that government is never the answer. Tendency to simplify arguments with anecdotal evidence and ignore the complexity of issues. Blaming all the world?s ills on government. Too forgiving of corporations and their practices.

What I hate about centrists
I don?t know. I?ve never met one. Only people claiming to be one.

What I hate about ?independents?
SHUT THE FUCK UP! You?re no more independent than the rest of us. Just about every so-called ?independent? I?ve met has fit clearly within one of the above categories, usually liberal. Sure, you may not agree with every one of their principles, but guess what? Most people don?t. Categories and labels may not be perfect, but they have a fucking purpose.

What I hate about anarchists
Hi! I?m Earth. Have we met?

What I hate about communists/socialists
You had your chance and it failed miserably. Get over it. Also, see comments re: anarchists.


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Silversoul]
    #3711017 - 02/01/05 01:34 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

What I hate about rants
It rhymes with 'pants.'


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Silversoul]
    #3711123 - 02/01/05 01:52 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Hehe...you made some good points.

Anybody who believes in anything at one point or another allows themself to be carried away by these beliefs and they become hyperbolic and unable to view reality in an unbiased manner.

Nobody knows anything...especially people who have a philosophy. If you were to categorize me, I fall in the libertarian camp on a lot of issues....but not all of them.

All we can do is try to make it through life and make fun of these idiots and maybe they will see the error of their ways. Neither you nor I will ever change shit in this world...so let's just sit back and watch it all go to hell.

The more you think, the more unhappy you are. It's a scientific fact!


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Silversoul]
    #3711161 - 02/01/05 02:00 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Who gives a shit when it's not us, the people, that control governments anyways?


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: DNKYD]
    #3711228 - 02/01/05 02:12 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Well, that's not really true, for one thing.

Could you explain a system where people would actually have control?


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Phluck]
    #3711364 - 02/01/05 02:50 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Democracy?
Sure, people vote officials into public offices. But that doesn't mean you actually control anything. It just means you voted for somebody who "represents" you.


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Silversoul]
    #3711405 - 02/01/05 03:07 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

A unique thread. Good work.

What I hate about liberals is their hypocrisy. What I hate about conservatives is their hypocrisy. What I hate about libertarians is their hypocrisy. What I hate about hypocrisy is a double standard, and what I hate about that is that I only have one eye.


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Silversoul]
    #3712146 - 02/01/05 09:04 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'd add this one to conservatives:

"While they see the inherent tendencies of government bureacracies to exapand and be inefficient, they fail to view the military and its industrial complex as another bureacracy with the same problems."


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Silversoul]
    #3712149 - 02/01/05 09:07 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

and i don't know about the "Only like to be generous with other people's money". raising taxes spends their money too. maybe "fail to sufficiently appreciate the reality that all government programs are potentially taking money from people who do not want their earned money spent that way."


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Silversoul]
    #3712152 - 02/01/05 09:10 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

and to the libertarians:

"fail to appreciate the historical reasons of why we have come to adopt the welfare state when it does not aid anywhere near the majority of voters. infer that the pre-welfare state was some sort of golden age."


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Tao]
    #3712464 - 02/01/05 11:15 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

more to the libertarians:

"many continue to assert the existence of so-called 'natural rights' which are nothing more than the creation of man. Locke concluded their existence according to his belief in the Christian God."


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Tao]
    #3712575 - 02/01/05 11:41 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

TaoTeChing said:
more to the libertarians:

"many continue to assert the existence of so-called 'natural rights' which are nothing more than the creation of man. Locke concluded their existence according to his belief in the Christian God."



1) Not all libertarians (a great many don't) subscribe to a natural rights theory as espoused by Locke as coming from God. A great many libertarians I've met are atheists or agnostic.

2) Don't get hung up on the nomenclature of 'natural' when talking about natural rights - forget it, it's a label... like driveway or parkway. Not all names should be taken as a literal indication of the meaning of a term.

3) My understanding of natural rights is that they IDENTIFY a state of human interaction, where one is free to do with himself as he sees fit as long as he does not interfere with another doing with himself as he sees fit. By keeping this in mind, we can identify natural rights and distinguish them from other 'rights' which involve taking from one person to provide (or forcing them to provide) the 'right' to another person. For instance, I have a natural right to seek and obtain any medical care that I need or desire, but it is not a natural right to force someone else to provide for my medical care.


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Silversoul]
    #3712628 - 02/01/05 11:51 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I could be wrong, but from what I remember weren't Native American peoples government free? Anarchy was a success in my opinion, every government is prone to be corrupt at some point.

Just because they were nearly all murdered doesn't mean their way of life was unsucessful.

However, I don't think Anarchy can be sucessful these days, unless there was a serious dropoff of world population. We're already left the garden of eden, now its time to try and fix the mess we're all in.


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: J4S0N]
    #3712670 - 02/01/05 11:58 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

You are correct. The Native Americans were first assaulted by microbes brought by the Europeans (which decimated their ranks) and later by a conscious process of genocide using advanced technology which had it's tactical and strategical roots in Lincoln's war against secession. Neither of these are an indication of an inferior social or political system.


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: J4S0N]
    #3712673 - 02/01/05 11:59 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

J4S0N said:
I could be wrong, but from what I remember weren't Native American peoples government free? Anarchy was a success in my opinion, every government is prone to be corrupt at some point.

Just because they were nearly all murdered doesn't mean their way of life was unsucessful.

However, I don't think Anarchy can be sucessful these days, unless there was a serious dropoff of world population. We're already left the garden of eden, now its time to try and fix the mess we're all in.



Some form of anarchy exists in certain hunter-gatherer tribes, but there is no historical precedent for its existence in anything that we would call civilization.


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Silversoul]
    #3712765 - 02/01/05 12:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Paradigm said:
Some form of anarchy exists in certain hunter-gatherer tribes, but there is no historical precedent for its existence in anything that we would call civilization.



Not true. If you get a chance, pick up a copy of "Society Against The State" by Pierre Clastres. (you can read a short excerpt here) I also recommend "Forgotten Founders" by Bruce E. Johansen it explains the Iroquois Confederacy and it's influence on the founding structure of the U.S.(the complete book is online here).


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3712779 - 02/01/05 12:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

A confederacy is not anarchy, FYI.


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Silversoul]
    #3712809 - 02/01/05 12:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Please read what I linked to before offering a judgment. Anarchy is the absence of a state. A state is an institution that has a legal monopoly on force. There is no logical reason to assume that people cannot form voluntary alliances in a society or with other societies for their protection, bypassing the formation of a state apparatus.


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3712836 - 02/01/05 12:23 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I hate all the bi-partisan bullshit that goes on to appease members of the parties, costing taxpayers billions of dollars, and producing no results.


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Re: The Hate Thread [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #4375595 - 07/06/05 02:03 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

What I hate about people:
They like to draw lines between themselves, and never allow any ideas to drift into theirs.


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