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Offlinefresh313
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Living Life Efficiently
    #3703630 - 01/30/05 08:36 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

with your host martha stewart
you may also know her as, the lady that went to federal prison for distributing mushroom cultivation hardware.

as effeciency increases production increases
as production increases so does energy
as energy increases, effeciency increases
[ see p.69 ( infinity ) in your 3D handbook ]
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free martha
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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: fresh313]
    #3703666 - 01/30/05 08:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

"The start is a mirror, reflected in the same mirror, as the end."
-unknown :P


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: fresh313]
    #3703797 - 01/30/05 08:58 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Oh ya!!!!!!! Like the woman needs to be behind bars. What is she going to do, assault someone with a homemade doily? Like she can't make trades and phone calls from prison.

They should've just fined her ass , sentenced her to a shit load of community service and put her on court supervision. But jail where tax payers barely getting buy are feeding her? Please!


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3703810 - 01/30/05 09:00 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

she does need to be in jail
she committed a federal crime
and it wasnt a silly drug law


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: fresh313]
    #3703859 - 01/30/05 09:10 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think people who committed non violent crimes need to be put behind bars and fed and cared for with the tax payers money. I will never agree with that as punishment.

In their cases, I believe in STIFF fines and exorbitant amounts of community service. At least with community service and fines, they are forced to give back to the community they took from and disrespected.


Did you know that in North Carolina, murders sometimes get out in 4 years because of over crowding. Should a violent offender get out early to make room for a white collar criminal? Please explain the reasoning and rationing to me. I don't understand it. :confused:

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Edited by gettinjiggywithit (01/30/05 09:13 PM)


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3703999 - 01/30/05 09:36 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

simple jiggy

put less drug offenders in jail


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: fresh313]
    #3704008 - 01/30/05 09:39 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

This has changed her for the better though. She publicly came out in favor of ending the War on Drugs because of being in prison and realizing the damage it has done.

Another one on our side is always good, especially a famous one like Stewart.


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: fresh313]
    #3704039 - 01/30/05 09:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

They fall into none violent so i don't think they belong in jail either. That whole situation needs law revamping.

True what ravus said, she is dedicated to making a fuss about people in for durgs when she gets out. On top of that, it's been good for her personally in that without the hectic schedules and demands, she's been able to relax and she and people say, she is back to being the softer person she was 40 years ago and she hadn't realized how hardened she had become until this forced break.

Go figure she would know how to take advantage of the situation and make the best of it. I like her! Who, wouldn't have asked their broker to dump a stock if hey got wind it was going to tank the next day? Anyone would have, she just got caught doing what anyone would've done.


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3704053 - 01/30/05 09:51 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

insider stock trading is treason to the economy
its not just another non-violent crime


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: fresh313]
    #3704291 - 01/30/05 10:45 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

what the hell, I thought she went to jail because of insider trading. what's all this talk about the War on Drugs??


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3704417 - 01/30/05 11:10 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

"I don't think people who committed non violent crimes need to be put behind bars and fed and cared for with the tax payers money. I will never agree with that as punishment."

Dead on.


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: fresh313]
    #3704967 - 01/31/05 12:51 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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fresh313 said:
she does need to be in jail
she committed a federal crime
and it wasnt a silly drug law



What Federal crime was Ms. Stewart convicted of? Was it insider trading? NO. Was it defrauding the stock holders? NO. She was convicted of lying to investigators (NOT under oath, NOT in a court of law), of obstructing justice for a crime that never happened, a crime that she was not convicted of (?!?). The prosecutors presented no crime of 'insider trading.' She learned from her broker, not from a company insider, that a top executive was selling shares.

Here's the bottom line: Martha Stewart's conviction is accepted by people out of ENVY, BECAUSE SHE IS WEALTHY AND SUCCESSFUL. What you and the millions of the people who are envious of the successful fail to realize is that the same tactics can be used against you if you state to an investigator that (for instance) you did not smoke pot today, or you did not know that your friend sold an eighth of weed. It is a DANGEROUS precedent that we should all be worried about instead of celebrating like some Pavlovian Marxists because a wealthy person has fallen. Insist on your innocence and you can face charges of insisting on your innocence - even though there may be no crime proven or even charged (though the government will word it differently), this is the legacy of the Martha Stewart conviction. Because of this precedent, because of case law, all of us our less secure in our liberties.


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3705030 - 01/31/05 01:03 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for bringing this up as I forgot to mention that it was her broker who leaked the insider news to her. What was she to do at that point but dump it? Anyone would have, I would have, not out of a malicious intent to screw the other share holders but just out of wanting to save my investment because I could.

If you had $250,000 in a company fresh and your broker called you and told you the company was going to tank tomorrow and advised you to sell, what would you do? Would you say, "Oh no, that's okay, lets just loose it all".

The broker broke the insider trading laws. Whatever happened to him anyway?


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3706107 - 01/31/05 05:00 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

she commited a federal crime and plea bargained it...

money and power have nothing to do with the lesser sentence :rolleyes:


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3706123 - 01/31/05 05:04 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
If you had $250,000 in a company fresh and your broker called you and told you the company was going to tank tomorrow and advised you to sell, what would you do? Would you say, "Oh no, that's okay, lets just loose it all".





am i martha stewart knowing i dont need any more money and that this stock loss would be nickels and dimes, that what im about to do is insider trading and a crime. also knowing im under the watchful eye of the public through the media.


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: fresh313]
    #3706896 - 01/31/05 11:11 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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she commited a federal crime and plea bargained it...



Check your facts, Ms. Stewart rejected a plea bargain and went to trial. I already stated what she was convicted of, there was no evidence of 'insider trading' by Ms. Stewart. If you think there was please present it - because the prosecutors surely couldn't even bring charges, let alone convict her on it. The woman was ONLY convicted of expressing her innocence, of exercising her first amendment rights, nothing more!

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money and power have nothing to do with the lesser sentence



Envy (of her wealth and success) has EVERYTHING to do with her conviction, read the statements from the jurors. I am open to having my mind changed if you could provide PROOF of Ms Stewart harming others. If you cannot, perhaps you should re-examine your prejudices.


Edited by Prosgeopax (01/31/05 11:38 AM)


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: fresh313]
    #3706928 - 01/31/05 11:24 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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fresh313 said:
am i martha stewart knowing i dont need any more money



Tell me, how many investors want to LOSE money? It is FOOLISH to lose money when you don't have to. Remind me never to ask you for financial advice.

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that what im about to do is insider trading and a crime.



What Ms. Stewart did WAS NOT insider trading. If you can prove that it was, please do so. Otherwise, please quite disseminating lies.


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3707037 - 01/31/05 12:21 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

any press is good press

jail for this class of customer is just a square on the board game.

I am amazed; but look who is in charge of everything, gotta laff. or weep.


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3708081 - 01/31/05 05:20 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

cause immmmm loooockkkkkkeeeed up
wont let me out
cuase im loooockkked up
wont let me out

my original post has nothing to do with that dirty whore martha


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Re: Living Life Efficiently [Re: fresh313]
    #3708601 - 01/31/05 06:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Living Life Efficiently





Must we be on the clock 24/7?


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