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Offlineblankman
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Security Question
    #3700082 - 01/29/05 10:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Is it secure to order spores online from the various sponsors on here using online checkout and payment through paypal? Is there anyone that has actually done this?


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Re: Security Question [Re: blankman]
    #3700114 - 01/29/05 11:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

What we do is legal so no laws are broken
your secure.
paypal or not from every shroomery vender.
SD


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Re: Security Question [Re: Spores_Direct]
    #3700276 - 01/30/05 12:11 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Spores_Direct said:
What we do is legal so no laws are broken
your secure.
paypal or not from every shroomery vender.
SD





:thumbup: Agreed .... everything is legal and ment to be used for microscopy I believe ... please correct me if I am wrong SD.


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Re: Security Question [Re: JettaJay]
    #3700316 - 01/30/05 12:33 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I think what he's asking about is whether or not it's safe to use online checkout with the vendors (as opposed to snail mail), not about spore legality.


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Re: Security Question [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #3700398 - 01/30/05 01:07 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

[QUOTE]I think what he's asking about is whether or not it's safe to use online checkout with the vendors (as opposed to snail mail), not about spore legality.[/QUOTE]
If thats the case then yeah anyways paying paypal is quicker by a few days but snail mail is just as good.
every vender here is honest and quality and fast shipping.
Your secure dealing with anyone of us.
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Re: Security Question [Re: Spores_Direct]
    #3700402 - 01/30/05 01:09 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

yes I use PayPal, you perfectlly safe.


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Re: Security Question [Re: Spores_Direct]
    #3700471 - 01/30/05 01:31 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

IMO, paypal is not safe. Paypal is like ebay, they have their own set of rules. Even though we say its technically legal, paypal will not hesitate to freeze your accounts if they don't like what you're doing. There's plenty of examples on the net. Google it up. Paypal is a security risk.


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Re: Security Question [Re: FatSean]
    #3700553 - 01/30/05 01:50 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Theres no need to tell PayPal, what your buying

Any company that accept PayPal will allow you to send a payment marked as goods, if it says Creeper or Golden Teachers in the info box PayPal will have no idea what that means.


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Re: Security Question [Re: infamous]
    #3700572 - 01/30/05 01:56 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

If you would like to order Spores using paypal i would suggest going though SD, he allows you to send Payment with just the strain you want in the info box. So if anyone on PayPal looks at your transaction itl just say " So and So amount was Paid to Direct for B+"

Paypal will have no clue what B+ is and overlook it :mushroom2: :mushroom2:

I deal with SD all the time, he will work with you to make you comfortable paying using PayPal, but that goes for all the other vendors too Im just partial to SD :smile:


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Re: Security Question [Re: infamous]
    #3700770 - 01/30/05 02:46 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

So your gonna tell me when you click the link to purchase via paypal, they have no way of seeing which site you were referred by? Sorry guy, no matter how you slice it paypal is not as dumb as you think.

Like I said above, do a google search. You will see how many people were burned by paypal for really stupid reasons.

Please keep in mind this has nothing to do with sporesdirect at all. I'm simply answering the guys question about paypal being safe.

You are secure from a legal standpoint, but paypal has the right to do whatever it wants with your account. Keep that in mind.


Edited by FatSean (01/30/05 02:48 AM)


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Re: Security Question [Re: FatSean]
    #3700823 - 01/30/05 03:16 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Security Question [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #3700834 - 01/30/05 03:21 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

you can argue it either way, Iv used PayPal and have been for a very long time as long as your smart with it like everything else youll be safe.

just my 2cents.


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Re: Security Question [Re: infamous]
    #3701060 - 01/30/05 05:22 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks electrode, thats exactly the link I was looking for.

For the people who are too lazy to click the link, this sums up paypal pretty good.

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Their terms of service are not completely disclosed upon signup and some key "conditions" are not disclosed. No place do they openly tell potential members that their money is 100% at risk. That PayPal can, will, and has in the past, completely cleaned out customers' accounts, (including your checking or savings account) with no appeals process available. No place do they tell you that PayPal can close your account for any reason what-so-ever, or no reason, and then you have to wait 180 days to get your money.

If PayPal feels your actions are questionable, PayPal is the investigator, judge, jury and executioner. "Telling your side" of what happened, in most cases seems to be irrelevant. They also refuse to provide you with the details of their investigation and withhold documents they relied upon to make their decisions.

If you are a bona fide, up-standing individual with hundreds of successful transactions, but someone pays you with a stolen credit card, your account (by PayPal's own admission) is immediately flagged as being "criminal behavior" and any money in that account is confiscated. If a customer "disputes" the charge, same thing happens.




I've been screwed by people using paypal, and all paypal cares about is making sure their own ass is covered. They could care less that you got screwed.


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Re: Security Question [Re: FatSean]
    #3701903 - 01/30/05 12:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

If you can use paypal to get pipes, bongs, and marijuana seeds I don't see the harm in getting spores. I have used paypal for all of the above and I haven't run into any problems.


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Re: Security Question [Re: Bugmenot2]
    #3701943 - 01/30/05 12:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The harm in paypal lies with the vendors who use it. Paypal has shut down all most every single spore vendor's account out there and anyone using it now will be for a limited time. It always happens. Then that screws up all kind of stuff from there. Nothing safer than good old mail in order form. I know Ralph is super fast with his mail in orders!


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Re: Security Question [Re: Bugmenot2]
    #3702022 - 01/30/05 01:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Paypal is certainly not as dumb as you think. Their business is money, and they have the ability to watch and monitor it VERY closely. Just about every spore vendor that has used ther service has at one time or another had their account suspended. I would also be a bit leary giving over personal information to a largely unregulated 3rd party with so much control and juristiction over their invormation. In normal credit card transactions there is always a 3rd part merchant processor, but these guys at least have to play by the "rules." Paypal does not.

It's really your call. Hundreds of people have used Paypal to buy materials from spore suppliers, tobacco accessory makers, seeds slingers, ect. There are certainly reasons why we don't offer it as a payment option at Sporeworks, and customer and vendor security is #1 on that list.

However there is no substitution for the security afforded by placing your order through the mail with a reputible vendor issuing payment via Money Order.


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Re: Security Question [Re: psilocyber]
    #3702053 - 01/30/05 01:27 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, I've been using paypal a long time to pay and get paid for auctions. Now I'm a little scared though. I never keep money in my paypal account though. I transfer it to my checking account as soon as i get paid. Am I still at risk of them freezing my money in my checking account in any way? I don't think my bank would like that. Basically my question is my money that's not in my paypal account safe like my checking account and credit card?


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Re: Security Question [Re: dressel11]
    #3704128 - 01/30/05 10:11 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Its not completely safe, and its not completely at risk either. Paypal has the ability to make debits to your checking account if they see fit. At the very least, this will freeze your bank account and you have to wait until paypal sees fit to give your money back. If your lucky, you get your cash back within 180 days. If your unlucky, you will need a lawyer or go through a lengthy appeals process with your bank


Edited by FatSean (01/30/05 10:14 PM)


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Re: Security Question [Re: FatSean]
    #3704389 - 01/30/05 11:01 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Well thanks yall. I think I've got enough information to make the decision to not do it. Thanks for the input.


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Re: Security Question [Re: blankman]
    #3711349 - 02/01/05 02:44 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

actually Paypal can be more of a risk for Merchants. I've seen them freeze many accounts and when they do this they hold all the funds in the merchants account for 6 months before releasing it.

Usually th ey freez an account of merchants running adult related business or anything considered illegal. But on occasion they have also froze accounts of regular Business as well. It's in there guidelines they can do this for anyreason they wish.

always read the fine print. Ofcourse there is a relatively easy way around this so that merchants could minimize the potential damage.

my 2 cents.


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