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Supplimenting straw
    #3697051 - 01/29/05 07:26 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

I think its established that straw + poo/compost is the best way to bulk it but what about those who can't get a hold of either for whatever reason...

I've seen straight straw supplimented with an extra quart of WBS or rye and excessive amounts of spawn to varying success but does anybody know of somthing that really adds to the nut value and/or the water retention of the straw in any relation to the way poo or compost does? Or at least exceeds the yeild of straight straw?


Does anybody got any ideas that could be experimented with?

I was considering adding a descent amount of sterilized millet flour or some other grain flour after pasturization but before adding the colonized spawn.....I'm unsure of how easy it might get contaiminated by the straw though before it colonizes. Or if its even worth it...

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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3697074 - 01/29/05 07:47 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

straight straw works ... ive heard of people mixing verm with it to keep the straw from getting too solidified.


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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: jonas]
    #3697095 - 01/29/05 07:59 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

it definetely works great. Always trying to get more out of it though. If you let the straw drain well enough the verm isn't neccessary IMO.


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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3697113 - 01/29/05 08:08 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

Grain flower will contam very fast.
Dung retains water amazingly well. I dont know of anything you could sudstitute for dung. Even verm doesnt compare to dungs moisture retention.


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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: mickywilliams2]
    #3697233 - 01/29/05 08:50 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

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Grain flower will contam very fast.




I'm worried about that. Maybe alot or spawn would combat that though?

I just had an idea. Maybe you could mix in some WBS and some perlite. Perlite is cheap, disposable, doesn't contaminate and holds more water than verm and the WBS could add nuts. I know people have used perlite for bottom casings but I find those to be a waste of time. Maybe if the perlite is spread throughout the straw it could be more effective. Might see how that works.


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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3697292 - 01/29/05 09:11 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

I dont know man, there are plenty of good teks using straight straw. It's pretty highly recommended, of course a mix with straw and manure is better, straight straw is still pretty good. Adding extra steps just increases the chances that things will go wrong. Don't worry about the nutes, the straw can handle it. If you're THAT worried about water retention, I use polymer crystals in my marijuana plots, and I don't see why you couldn't use those. Only problem you might have with that is pasteurizing them. You'd probably want to have them all mixed in with the straw prior to pasteurization and do it all in one shot. I just don't know if the crystals can withstand high temps. Maybe you should find out.


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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3697495 - 01/29/05 10:31 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

TRY IT! :laugh:

Make a cake PF style, use horsepoo instead of VERM, add BRF, add WATER, PC it, INOC, and post me the results! :laugh:

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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3698200 - 01/29/05 02:02 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

Dont do it. Anything you add thats uncolonized to pasteurized straw will contam and cause the straw to contam. You can do it if you PC it but why would you bother when third flushes of dunked straw casings (to hell with those who say one flush only) look like this:


Just the two to the left, the one on the right is rye.

Thats just pasteurized straw spawned with some rye. Did it without a thermometer too, though I dont suggest that :smile:


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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3699850 - 01/29/05 10:03 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

Yes, my time would probably be better served if I work on my dunking technique or I could take a drive and go get some new straw (my stash is getting old and wasn't all that great to begin with.  But you try finding descent straw in a coastal desert!  I miss the midwest....). 


But I still can't shake this idea about mixing in perlite or maybe poly crystals (easily steralized in the oven while pasturizing straw) with the straw to improve original water retention and make the dunking results more consistent for me.    Obviously these would be large casings (what else is there?:cool:).  The way I see it is if I can improve water retention by say 15% or whatever I should see similar results in the yeild end(like 10%).  In the end it may mean an extra dozen dried grams out of a case in the long run which is worth the small effort to me (and the $.19 of perlite).  We shall see...


If it doesn't turn out to be a waste of my time I'll post any useful results....


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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3700458 - 01/30/05 01:28 AM (12 years, 29 days ago)

Perlite would be a very pour choice..it doesnt absorb water. Use vermiculite if anything...not sure how well the verm would actually mix in with the straw and how much it would matter...straw absorbs water VERY well too...feel free to try but dont waste the experiment on perlite..


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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3701420 - 01/30/05 08:48 AM (12 years, 29 days ago)

if you do use straw make sure to shredd it...and no I don't mean cut it 2-3"(thats the first step) get out the blender and shredd the shit outta it...the mycelium flys through it and you fit more straw in therefore having more nutes


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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #3710884 - 02/01/05 01:05 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

You can get dry horseshit here. Cheap shipping too.

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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: lunaloca]
    #3710917 - 02/01/05 01:11 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

:eek: Ohhhhh..... 5.95 shipping on any order :eyemouth:


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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3710945 - 02/01/05 01:17 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

has anyone one orderd from them? im really tempted think ya should get the prepasturized?


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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: 88mustanggt]
    #3711133 - 02/01/05 01:53 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

I've ordered the 10 lb. of dry substrate and it worked like a charm. I pasteurized it myself. I used it by itself/no straw. Great results!


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Re: Supplimenting straw [Re: lunaloca]
    #3711705 - 02/01/05 04:57 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

I have had some strains that would not finish colonization of pure poo(creeper) and some rip through it (burma) either way I believe you should an equal amount of verm...not only to help colonization but cause poo alone dosen't hold quite enough water without being soggy imo


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