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How to tell if your grain is too wet?
    #3690399 - 01/27/05 09:56 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I just took some WBS out of the PC and tried to shake it. The grain had stuck together in a big lump.

Shoule I start over or inject these and see what happens?


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: niteowl]
    #3690446 - 01/27/05 10:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Explain your procedure, how long you soaked, how long you simmered, how many kernals look busted (in %) , how long you pced, whether or not you put aluminum foil over the tops and how much water u put in your PC :laugh:


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #3690503 - 01/27/05 10:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I soaked for about 12 hours, simmered for aprox 30min, drained for 2 hours.

Loaded into quart jars 3/4 full, lid with pollyfill and foil. PC'd for 90min with about 2in of water in the PC.

As soon as I could I took the lid of the PC off and tried to shake them and they were all clumped together like a PF cake.

I have tried popcorn before and had troubles due to too much water. Im afraid I have the same problem here.


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: niteowl]
    #3690641 - 01/27/05 10:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

well i never used wbs but from my xperince with rye, it clumps also. as the myc grows it will dry out some and be more easy 2 break apart when u shake.


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: Duffmanooohyea]
    #3691706 - 01/28/05 01:18 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Would PCing them again dry them out a little?


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: niteowl]
    #3692943 - 01/28/05 12:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I am having problems now with too much moisture and wbs. Or so I think this is the reason for slowed and haulted progress with jars. The jars that have done best for me are when the seed splits but now holding the max amount of water when simmering. Also, after they are pc'd they will have no extra water anywhere in the jar, just soft easily breaking apart seeds. Not many clumps.


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: ChinaBoy]
    #3693039 - 01/28/05 12:41 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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ChinaBoy said:
The jars that have done best for me are when the seed splits but now holding the max amount of water when simmering. Also, after they are pc'd they will have no extra water anywhere in the jar, just soft easily breaking apart seeds. Not many clumps.




These have lots of condensation inside the jar and are one big lump.

I think Im going to start over amd not waste any spores on them.


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: niteowl]
    #3693074 - 01/28/05 12:51 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

wise thought


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: Hamurabi]
    #3693163 - 01/28/05 01:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

WBS is more clumpy. They also say you dont need to simmer WBS. I have though without a problem. I'd let them cool down and shake again and if you still dont like them, start over. You could even use the same grain if you want..just unload it and mix it up with some verm (like 25% or so)..then reload and rePC...should help your water content. You may need to add a little water to the verm too..I usually add the verm as its straining and only strain for like 15-20 minutes (for 3 dozen jars worth all spread on a screen over the sink too)..then you add the verm and mix it up and it will soak up the excess water and hold it in for you. I'd suggest it for WBS..


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: niteowl]
    #3693584 - 01/28/05 03:06 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Your doing the right thing starten over.As stated above use verm to control mosture content.

I use between 1/2 cup to 1 cup per lb


A knife tip of calcium carbonate helps break them up.

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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: KaptKid]
    #3693693 - 01/28/05 03:43 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Does the calcium carbonate do thiss as well as gypsum?


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3695659 - 01/28/05 11:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I belive so.Never tryied gypsum.Remember reading it was the same.Had to buy 5 lb's.It's going to last a while.


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: KaptKid]
    #3695830 - 01/29/05 12:15 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for all you help. I will start over and use a little verm to help balance things out.

I have some soaking now.


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: niteowl]
    #3696683 - 01/29/05 04:57 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i just tried WBS. seems that it was too wet. i also had my first encounter with the lil green meanies. my TIT smells like a sweet wet foot....ACK.

im gonna bleach the whole operation and try again with some werm added in.


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: X24]
    #3696804 - 01/29/05 05:30 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

A little verm on the bottom can really speed things up :wink:


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: niteowl]
    #3696941 - 01/29/05 06:25 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Next time after the soak before the simmer rinse the grain with tons of water, I use 3 gallons for every 10 quarts simmer it then rinse it again with another 6 gallons. No clumping at all, no foam during the simmer, and no greasy looking grain after pc'ing since I've been a massive rinse nut.
When grain is done right it almost has a dry look to it but believe me it isn't dry.

I love when people post saying that the grain looks dry now but they have no money so they have to use the grain (not knowing they really did it right) and two weeks later they are posting about how they are so happy they just made casings.  :thumbup: :grin:


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: Magash]
    #3697069 - 01/29/05 07:41 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

That is probably too wet but if you have the inoc to spare I'd say go for it. alot of times when WBS gets too wet it colonizes maybe the dryer top half of the clump and stops at the bottom where the excess water built up due to gravity. You can still use it then and dump what didn't colonize and case the remaining spawn.

At least you'd salvage something....you already did the hard part so you might as well let them sit around for a couple weeks even if they aren't ideal as long as you got the supplies or space to spare.





^^^^^^Magash is right......a real good rinsing and simmer will give you near perfect water every time


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: Magash]
    #3698382 - 01/29/05 02:47 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I LOVE this hobby  :thumbup:

I got up this morning with intentions of finishing up the WBS that I had soaking. Im in the process of doing a grow log(mixing WBS and whole brown rice), and needed to do some experimenting(sp).

I needed to know the correct water content for the rice i was using. I got 2 pots with 2 and 1/2 cups of cold water, each and put 1/2 cup rice in each one. The first one I simmered for 5 min and let soak 5 min. The other simmered 10min and soaked 5.

As Im doing this I realized that the main purpose is to "soften the grain" enuf so that the mycelium can grow thru it easily.

The first batch that simmered 5 minutes was prefect. It was still grainy and was easily split with my fingernail. When I simmered my WBS I went for a similar texture. I simered it for 10 min and rinsed.

I also realized that the cold water rinse stoped the water take-up of the grain. I have them in the PC now. Im going to up-date the grow log that I started earlier this week.

Thanks again for all the help.

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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: niteowl]
    #3699781 - 01/29/05 09:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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As Im doing this I realized that the main purpose is to "soften the grain" enuf so that the mycelium can grow thru it easily.

The first batch that simmered 5 minutes was prefect. It was still grainy and was easily split with my fingernail. When I simmered my WBS I went for a similar texture. I simered it for 10 min and rinsed.

I also realized that the cold water rinse stoped the water take-up of the grain. I have them in the PC now. Im going to up-date the grow log that I started earlier this week."

Your treating this hobby like a scientist would, trying different things, noting your results, experimenting. :thumbup:




I have said it before, and I will say it again, "you sir, have a bright future here at the shroomery" :cool: :thumbup:


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Re: How to tell if your grain is too wet? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #3699838 - 01/29/05 10:00 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

:thanx:

Have you seen my latest  grow log  ?


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