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Invisiblegdman
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Re: San Pedro Cacti - Best Soure - Best Price - www.shamansden.com [Re: Mushie_Man]
    #3682894 - 01/26/05 11:50 AM (19 years, 24 days ago)

:smirk:


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Re: San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Mushie_Man]
    #3682896 - 01/26/05 11:51 AM (19 years, 24 days ago)

i love san pedro...boiling is a must if u wanna trip and not puke


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Re: San Pedro Cacti? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3682898 - 01/26/05 11:52 AM (19 years, 24 days ago)



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Re: San Pedro Cacti - SKIN/membrane vs Green active layer! [Re: BrAiN]
    #3683117 - 01/26/05 12:57 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

It appears that some clarification is needed for the Neophyte with respect to the Anatomy of San Pedro/Huachuma Cactus.

The fact is that this castus has a skin, much like a plastic membrane, which is innert in all respects.  There is then the green succulent layer that containes the majority of the plants active constituents, and lastly the white inner core which is known to have trace ammount of active constituents.  In the context of my previous post, SKIN referes to THE PLASTIC-LIKE MEMBRANE, and not the green layer underneath it.
:rolleyes:

If the intention was to be defamatory, then at least be intelligent about it... :shocked:

Cabir


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Re: San Pedro Cacti - Best Soure - Best Price - www.shamansden.com [Re: Mushie_Man]
    #3683131 - 01/26/05 01:02 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

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Mushie_Man said:
Penis pills, they worked wonders for me. I can now stretch my penis right around and up my bunghole  :shocked:




Whats good for the goose is good for the gander...
:grin:

-Cabir


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Re: San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Mushie_Man]
    #3683188 - 01/26/05 01:18 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

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Mushie_Man said:
Does it fuck you good? i mean like with LSD and Mushies your sure as hell to be at at different place 2 hours after ingesting, is san pedro just as strong?




Forgive me for being so blunt ; I am aware I am new around here...

However, this has got to be the most non-entheogenic, non-sacred approach to Ethnobotanicals I have ever seen.  If you just want to get F'd up, use crack, and this way you will stop denegrating the Entheogenic community.  By the way with the attitude that you are approaching this, Huachuma will either give you NO EFFECT AT ALL, or (better yet) bring you face to face with those nasty little demons and give you a good terrorising...which this approach and attitude to the Master Plants genuinely deserves.

If you play with the Master Plants, and show little respect, you will get burned.

:rolleyes:
-Cabir


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Re: San Pedro Cacti - Best Soure - Best Price - www.shamansden.com [Re: gdman]
    #3683212 - 01/26/05 01:23 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

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gdman said:
spam much? that's arather low practice there, if you want to support the shroomery email an admin.

I wouldn't trust a spammer, to me they are on the same level as those annoying emails for penis pills, etc.




haha ya... I agree exactly on the same level.


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Re: San Pedro Cacti? [Re: cabir2]
    #3684134 - 01/26/05 04:34 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

I do agree with you cabir2, "Does it fuck you good?" maybe wasent the best phrase to use, maybe i should have said "Does it have a strong effect?". Apologizes if i came across wrong, i did pick up on this, but no one seemed to make a point of it.

Although i must stress that i respect the drugs/substances i come across, i rarely use such things to get "fucked up". If i did, i wouldnt be here now. I use trips to not fuck me up, but to see from a prespective i would of other wise not been able to accomplish, the spiritual ethical side. Although i do try and have a good time and experiment with such things i do not use for one purpose "to get fucked up".

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Getting sentimental as fuck spillin' guts to you
We just met
But I think I'm in love with you
But you're on it too
So you tell me you love me too
Wake up in the morning like "yo, what the fuck we do?"


Edited by Mushie_Man (01/26/05 04:39 PM)


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Re: San Pedro Cacti? *DELETED* [Re: Mushie_Man]
    #3684225 - 01/26/05 05:04 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

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Re: San Pedro Cacti? [Re: Learyfan]
    #3684368 - 01/26/05 05:28 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

i would mix it with anything especially nos maybe a few hit of cannabis but a good mescaline is more natural and spiritual i wouldn't ruin it with other drugs.


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Re: San Pedro Cacti? [Re: oneducktwoducks]
    #3688712 - 01/27/05 01:48 PM (19 years, 23 days ago)

Mushie Man, it is nice to hear your clarification and that you took my comments in the spirit they were truly given.  :smile:

As for your comment Letto:

Quote:

Letto said:

I thought I made a point of it, however subtle. I didn't want to come off as one of those elitist drug users though (which I think cabri did perfectly), like "my drug use is for better reasons than yours" etc.




Truth is, as is most apparent to the conscientious, it isn't about elitism, as you erroeously suggest, but rather about reverance for these sacred master plants that have been in use Shamanically for many thousands of years.  Furthermore, your characterisation of these ethnobotanicals as "drugs", is precisely the culturally insensitive attitude of the ignorant pharmacalogical community & those proponents on the "war on drugs".  If it is a "drug" for you, then you likely shouldn't be using it without a doctors note ; if it is a sacrament as handed down through the traditions of old, well then, that is merely excerising one's religous beliefs.  And fundamentally, that is what this term "entheogenic" is all about...the relationship between ethnobotany and spirituallity!

A native of the Caribean, I am a student of this walk ; but truly a real student, not a hobbiest, experimenter, & etc.  My education comes directly from working relationships with indigenous communities and curanderos of Peru, both Andean (Don Kucho) and Amazonian (Don Jose), from the 13th generation Ajq'ij (Mayan priest) Don Alejandro, and from the Lakota, Hopi and Navaho communities in North America.  I have been a pipe carrier on the Red Road since 1996, and the Keeper of the Fire Bunde of Purification of the Eagle and the Condor since 2002.

My purpose in sharing this is to clarify from what background I come from with respect to these matters.  I am a sincere and true believer in the ability of these scared master plants to contribute to the growth and evolution of humanity.  However, I do not support nor advocate recreational use of the master plants, and know it to be true, first hand, that such an approach has severe reprocussions on an individual ; and due to the fact that these master plants work on all levels, that is spiritually, emotionally, physically and psychologically, the damage that can occur may not be wholly apparent on the surface.  It is true, that much in this respect has to do with intention...And is precisely the reason that I felt it necessary to comment on Mushie Mush's earlier comments.

Hope this helps...

-Cabir
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Re: San Pedro Cacti? [Re: cabir]
    #3688767 - 01/27/05 01:59 PM (19 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: San Pedro Cacti? *DELETED* [Re: cabir]
    #3688924 - 01/27/05 02:29 PM (19 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: San Pedro Cacti? [Re: oneducktwoducks]
    #3689250 - 01/27/05 03:59 PM (19 years, 23 days ago)

Hello Letto,

Thank you for the reply. I do want to respond to your comments becuase they shed light on a very relavant point. Traditionally, even as recent as just a few hundred years ago, Botany and pharmacology, in the "modern" sense, was the pervue of the Alchemist. Any alchemist worth his weight - and this can be confirmed by a review of those high adepts of the Spagaric art - approached this work holistically. That is, spirit could not be divorced from a substance any more than the Alchemists mercury, salt and sulfur can be divorced. They are all intrinsic to the whole.

At a certain point in the evolution of pharmacology, the practice of isolationism came about. That is, separating out and isolating the "active" constituent of a plant or mineral. In alchemical terms, this active principal is the Sulfur. The Salt and Mercury in this isolationist philosophy were discarded as innert or useless. This "Sulfur" is most properly, a drug, when isolated from the whole.

What is little understood, is that the effects of an isolate are absolutely not the same as a preparation of the whole, or what is alchemically referred to as a Spagaric preparation. Anyone who has drank ayahuasca, and also prepared "farmahuasca" can attest to the difference first hand.

I do not believe, by any stretch, that everyone must hold a similar belief in their approach to Entheogens ; however, a complete abandon of respect, or even at times just flippent recreational use, can have long term serious side affects that are not well understood. This is PARTICULARLY true of isolates, which tend to be very costic to the human organism.

It is an unfortunate condition that Science and Relligion (or Spirituality) have become so devided. Without a holistic approach, otherwise known in the traditon of old as the Hermetic Philosophy, humanity's view will remain in a polarised condition instead of seeing the unity in all things.

There is one last thing I would like to point out ; and I pose this question retorically just to illustrate a point. Have you ever stopped and asked the plant that you were just about to ingest for permission - and moreover waited to hear the response ? These master plants have a Spirit and an Intelligence, something that is not quantifiable by the science of today. So, it is not about right or wrong. It is about a holistic worldview and the honouring of all sentient life as sacred.

Finally, I am not a Shaman ; my elders are Curanderos and Shamans. I am a helper and student, and priviledged to be the caretaker of the Sacred Fire Bundle. I am however committed to bring about a mature dialogue and deep self-reflection over the use (and in some cases abuse) of the master plants. Letto, no need to appologize...though it is sincerely appreciated. I find it amusing actually how things can be misinterpreted on these message boards. I am here as a herald of glad tidings, and to inform my fellow humanity that the call has been raised for the unification of all peoples under the banner of peace.

That is what this Fire Altar of the Eagle and Condor is all about, and that is what I am here to hopefully share.

-Cabir
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