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OfflineCatalysis
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The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents
    #3679015 - 01/25/05 05:43 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050125/ap_on_hi_te/canada_blackberry_dispute_1

Some people thought it was too good to be true. "No way?! A successful Canadian technology?". Turns out it was. As you may have heard, a battle has been raging in the US courts over 16 patents stolen from an American company and used in Blackberry technology. Now the Canadian government has officially endorsed this and even had the balls to tell the US we have no right to enforce these patents, even in our own country.

Quote:

Canada claims a recent U.S. federal court ruling against Research In Motion Ltd., the Ontario-based makers of the BlackBerry, threatens to have a "troubling effect of chilling innovation by Canadian companies."




Maybe if they did the right thing and at least payed royalties on US sales, they could continue thier "innovation".

This is just another story in a pattern of Canadians ripping off US intellectual property and selling it back to us at discount rates.

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3679250 - 01/25/05 06:30 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Chalk one up for Canada.

I don't care for intellectual property. It is not tangible, and cannot be stolen. In this case the canadian company did not take the technology away from the US company, it apparently was just able to profit off it better. Thats the free market for you.

This is just another story in a pattern of Canadians ripping off US intellectual property and selling it back to us at discount rates.

Can you give me some examples?


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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: FrankieJustTrypt]
    #3679394 - 01/25/05 07:07 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The pharmaceutical industry.

So what is to prevent giant corporations from taking every persons inventions and running them out of the market?

Edited by Catalysis (01/25/05 07:16 PM)

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3679616 - 01/25/05 08:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I do have to agree with Catylist how it is bullshit that Canada reaps the benefits and gets the credit for American research. This Im sure will fall through in the court of law though since techniques and styles cannot be patented or copyrighted. It looks like this particular company's indsutry secret leaked and even though they put there hard earned money and time into it, the techniqe is availabe for anybody to exploit. It's just like Courna Sanders Original Chicken recipe with his special Blend of herbs and Spices. Sure you can Copyright KFC, the colors, the name, the logos etc.... but if that recipe gets into the wrong hands, anybody and everybody would be allowed to take a piece.

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: PsillyNilly]
    #3679697 - 01/25/05 08:15 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah you are right but the real problem with this is that its not a secret. Canadians can just go through the US patent database and essentialy take whatever they want and market it as their own.

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3679912 - 01/25/05 08:55 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.

- Thomas Jefferson

I say IP patents are unjust and therefore should be disobeyed or disregarded by all.

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: newuser1492]
    #3680630 - 01/25/05 10:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck that. If I spend money and time to do research, why should someone with liquid capital be able to corner the market using my work without compensation? Ideas require investment and, therefore, they are worth money just like any other product that requires investment. I don't see your point. This is just plain stealing. It is beyond stealing because they are recovering profit from stolen goods (the idea that was invested in) that isn't even realized yet.

Why shouldn't i be able to walk into walmart and take what i please? Sure they invested money in those products but those products inevitably came from resources available to all of us right? Just because I am capable of knitting a shirt doesn't mean I can walk into a store and take whatever shirt I want. Im not just paying for the materials to make a shirt, im paying for the intangible aspects such as the time devoted by workers to make the shirt.

Edited by Catalysis (01/25/05 11:02 PM)

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: PsillyNilly]
    #3681428 - 01/26/05 01:06 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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PsillyNilly said:
I It's just like Courna Sanders Original Chicken recipe with his special Blend of herbs and Spices. Sure you can Copyright KFC, the colors, the name, the logos etc.... but if that recipe gets into the wrong hands, anybody and everybody would be allowed to take a piece.




KFC recipe:
2 cups of flour,
1/2 tsp salt,
1/2 tsp thyme,
1/2 tsp basil,
1/2 tsp oregano,
1 tbsp celery salt,
1 tbsp black pepper,
1 tbsp dry mustard,
4 tbsp paprika,
2 tsp garlic salt,
1 tsp ground ginger,
3 tbsp MSG (accent)
Mix all ingrediants in a large bowl.
Dip chicken pieces in beaten eggs,
Then turn them over in regular bread crumbs, (commercial)
Finally plunge them into the above mix.
heat pressure cooker up to 350 and submerge chicken. put on the lid and start 15 minute count.


now, take over the world.


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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: automan]
    #3682450 - 01/26/05 09:50 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I know that recipe... It was invented by a Canadian  :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3682740 - 01/26/05 11:11 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Give me a break. This thread isn't worth my reply.

(this is a pseudo-reply)

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: automan]
    #3685937 - 01/26/05 09:46 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I never said anybody would be able to take over the world with the recipe....besides KFC has such a threshold with there partiular unique flavoer that it would be too late for anybody to capatalize on those ingredients....even if your search on the google did come up with the exact recipe. I was trying to make an analogy to compare to the Blackberry situation. But thanks for the recipe. Ill test it out and see if it compares.

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3686241 - 01/26/05 10:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

well its about time our pussy ass gov didnt take one up the ass from bush...although i agree with you its a pretty stupid one to back.  but when you look at our government, nto at all suprising.

states takes our natural resources, we will take tehir technology :smile: id prefer to reverse that, but oh well :shrug:

teh clowns in office here arnt really much better than there...


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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3687008 - 01/27/05 12:50 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Canada 1
USA 0


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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Phluck]
    #3687049 - 01/27/05 01:04 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

More like ...

Canada 1
USA  -1

Heheheh.  :lol:

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Phluck]
    #3688364 - 01/27/05 12:11 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:
Canada 1
USA 0



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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: DF2K]
    #3688729 - 01/27/05 01:50 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

if canada wasnt so cold id move there,so i think ill go to florida

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Cosm]
    #3688981 - 01/27/05 02:43 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Florida sucks move to Canada. Once I finish school I may try to find a way up there.

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Phluck]
    #3689803 - 01/27/05 05:40 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

That's exactly how we "won" the space race.

We declared it officially over the second we got ahead.


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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: funkymonk]
    #3689938 - 01/27/05 05:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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funkymonk said:
Give me a break. This thread isn't worth my reply.

(this is a pseudo-reply)




agreed


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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: blink]
    #3690342 - 01/27/05 07:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry, I figured the people in the "science and technology forum" would understand a thing or two about intellectual property.  Ill come back when i want to learn how to crash windoze??!!!!11 or when i need help pressing play on my VCR.  :tongue:

help i n33d t0rr3ntzzz1!!1!1 how do i prot forword????? lol

just kidding

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: kadakuda]
    #3690388 - 01/27/05 07:54 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

kadakuda, yeah its not that i mind your country using our technology. Hell, you guys benefit like crazy from our pharmaceutical research and that is great. The problem is that your companies can turn around and sell to Americans for half the price. There are laws against importing pharms from canada but other industries have free reign and im actually surprised more companies aren't following suit. Shit, im thinking of moving up there and seeing what i can sell from the US patent database.

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3691039 - 01/27/05 09:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i do see what you mean, and to a point i agree. howevere if we speak of pharms specifically i can honestly say i really have no sympathy for the industry. im sure we can all agree its much nicer to be in canada if your sick and not rich.

patents well to me are fucked right up with drugs. what is it liek a 10 year monopoly (i havnt read about this in AGES so put me on track if im wrong) before the cheapy companies can move in? i mean its all nice when teh peopel that discover somthing can get rich off it...but when thousands are suffering and or dieing because they cant afford it, something needs to change. know what i mean.


and by the way if we are keeping score its probabyl more acuratly

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3691761 - 01/27/05 11:41 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Sometimes I'm amazed that civilization survived and advanced at all for the last 2000 or so years.
Fortunately for us, for the last couple hundred years we had the U.S.A. to fix the world and discover EVERYTHING!!!

Just lucky I guess  :laugh:

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3693184 - 01/28/05 11:16 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

When an industry is exploiting the sick and poor, and preventing people from being able to afford the medicine they need, simply because they want to charge more, then it is definitely morally right to provide people with a cheap alternative, even if it breaks patent laws.


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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Phluck]
    #3693495 - 01/28/05 12:47 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Excellent Veiw  :cool:

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Phluck]
    #3694242 - 01/28/05 04:38 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So you would rather not have the medicine at all then have it at a high price? Unfortunately, there is no option to have it all and have it all for cheap or free when it comes to innovative medicine.

However, I quit working for Abbott labs last year because I disagreed with thier practices, although if I had AIDS I would consider them saviors for even giving me the opportunity to pay out the ass for life saving meds that would have NEVER been invented without the motivating factor for Abbott's existance, money.

edit: To make my point, if there were no patent laws, then there would be nothing for companies to make "cheap alternatives" from.

Edited by Catalysis (01/28/05 07:09 PM)

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3695176 - 01/28/05 07:23 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

What arrogance to think that Americans are responsible for all new innovations. I think you should research out the nationalities of those innovators you so proudly claim to be American.
Where would the US be if it hadn't been stealing technology from Japan and China for so long.
And the computer your talking on, and the pizza you order would be communicating with 2 cans and a string if it weren't for a Canadian innovator.
The US may be a powerful economic source and consumer. But it's not the main source of innovation by any means.
Look around, those generic drugs are manufactured by American companies too. Canadian companies are just less greedy and charge more reasonable prices.

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Shdwstr]
    #3695288 - 01/28/05 07:51 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with you wholeheartedly if you are saying that international patent laws should be respected. My point was that Abbott spent hundreds of millions of dollars (if not billions) devolping the world leading AIDS therapy and that drug cocktail would have never been produced if not for the money Abbott brings in from its patented drugs. I don't understand your point of saying Canadian companies are "less greedy". Show me a company from your country that spent millions on research only to turn around and sell the end product for as cheap as possible. You are only fooling yourself if you think this is reality. BTW I totally agree with you that tons of innovative research and technology is done in other countries. Im not sure how you reasoned that i think only US companies innovate. This argument extends beyond boarders.

edit: Also, im interested in the information you have pertaining to Canadian companies inventing the telephone and the US ripping off the idea. Not that i disagree with you, I just never heard of it so it has peaked my interest.

Edited by Catalysis (01/28/05 07:57 PM)

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3695405 - 01/28/05 08:21 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Catalysis said:
I'm not sure how you reasoned that i think only US companies innovate.




Quote:

Catalysis said:
Yeah you are right but the real problem with this is that its not a secret. Canadians can just go through the US patent database and essentially take whatever they want and market it as their own.




Seemed the implication here is that Canadians do this regularly. I quess it implied to me that you thought that prized US patent database was all American innovations.

The blackberry was put together uniquely from many different innovations to create a new product, designed by Canadians.
Royalties paid to the US companies? How many of your American Phone companies, do you think, are sending a monthly check to Brantford Ontario, to the Graham Bell Homestead. None I would wager, cause Brantford has the worst phone system I've ever seen!

Perhaps if your "Canadian" generalizations were more subdued, the Canadians who responded would have had less of a reaction.

You have some valid points... don't cloud the issue with prejudice.

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Shdwstr]
    #3695456 - 01/28/05 08:33 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I apologize, i didnt mean to come off that way.  I was just trying to make a point that goes beyond any specific countries.  :heart:

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3695509 - 01/28/05 08:43 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Accepted!

Now... got any good Abbott formulas I can market as my own?  :lol:

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Shdwstr]
    #3695562 - 01/28/05 08:57 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

heh, actually i had to sign a non-disclosure agreement before i was hired.  I just wish i would have downloaded some of the valuable information on thier servers that i had access to because those never hold up in court.  I would have gladly done it, i hated that fucking place lol. 

I do research at a university now.  The pressures of the business side are off and i can pursue research through grants (my group has a HUGE grant  :tongue:).  As you can see, I am with you guys that we should find new avenues of innovation but it is more difficult to bring a product to the people through a university as opposed to a business.

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3695951 - 01/28/05 10:49 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i do agree with you about they do these things to make money. but then it is the canadian government that helps lower the price, nto the company. if canada had no regulations we would be charging an arm and a leg for asprins. but the powers that be put in place somthing that would make it easier to afford for people. however we all know that the real reason is that canada covers lots of people for helth care so they themselves get teh meds cheaper so they can go have a vacation in maui.

its this reason i support universities. i also only buy X brands.


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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: kadakuda]
    #3696035 - 01/28/05 11:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

as for Canada selling drugs to the U.S. for cheap...why don't you talk to all the pharmaceutical companies who lobby congress for pharmaceutical company friendly legislation? What about the massive amounts of money that pharmaceutical companies spend on advertisements and those free trips they give to doctors who prescribe their medicines? Is it just because they need to get more money for new innovative treatments? yeah right. I think it was chris rock who said that the money is in the TREATMENT, there's no money in the cure...

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3696074 - 01/28/05 11:37 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So you would rather not have the medicine at all then have it at a high price?

I don't understand how my view equates to this at all.

Some of the most important and advanced medical research right now is happening in publicly funded institutions. Pharmaceutical companies are making profits to spare, they're hardly lacking in R&D funds.

How would changing prices so that the drugs were affordable to the poor, and to people who live in countries with weaker economies be so harmful?

What if patents only lasted a single year? Drug companies would be forced to work harder to develop new drugs so that they could maintain a constant rate of profit, and more people would be able to obtain the lifesaving drugs they need.


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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Phluck]
    #3696133 - 01/29/05 12:03 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Some of the most important and advanced medical research right now is happening in publicly funded institutions. Pharmaceutical companies are making profits to spare, they're hardly lacking in R&D funds.




I agree 100% and i know about this stuff first hand.  However the research intitutions are never the ones who bring these technologies to the public.  Thats just not how the system works.  Maybe it needs to be changed but its hard to develop a model where companies have the incentive to spend all kinds of money and go through rigorus FDA processes to market a medicine to the public.  I just dont think its as simple as you make it out to be.

As for "the money is in the treatment, not the cure".  I simply don't buy into that cliche that "they have the cure for cancer but they can't make money off it".  I mean, just think about that.  I think cures would be pretty profitable, don't you?

Well we are pretty off-topic but thanks for humoring me. Its a good conversation.  :tongue:

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Phluck]
    #3696143 - 01/29/05 12:07 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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What if patents only lasted a single year? Drug companies would be forced to work harder to develop new drugs so that they could maintain a constant rate of profit, and more people would be able to obtain the lifesaving drugs they need.




Well its really a fragile system we have in place now even. I mean look at how decimated the pharm companies have been in the last 6 months due to the whole furanone (vioxx) thing. You could say "well they have billions, they'll get over it". Its just that the system is more intricate than that.

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3698771 - 01/29/05 02:41 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

im actually surprised more companies aren't following suit.

Do you have any examples OTHER than this one of Canadian companies "stealing" US patents and selling the tech back to the US at discount price?


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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Phluck]
    #3699020 - 01/29/05 04:05 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

When an industry is exploiting the sick and poor, and preventing people from being able to afford the medicine they need, simply because they want to charge more, then it is definitely morally right to provide people with a cheap alternative, even if it breaks patent laws.

Whoa back up... the free market isn't in buisness to exploit anything, it is there to produce products that can yield an acceptable cost/benefit ratio. If there wasn't money to be made in the pharmaceutical industry, then no drugs would be produced, and for good reason.

Just because a buisness deals with products that are closely intertwined with human emotion, does not mean they should be held to a different standard of buisness ethics. That biochemistry PHD who labored 8 years through school should work for free, right? In the name of humanity!  :rolleyes:

If Canadian companies want to under-cut U.S research funding so they can make money (yes, make money, don't tell me they are doing it for the "sick and poor") then when there are no *new* drugs or technology coming out that could save lives because lack of money for research, who gets the shaft?

*hint* the poor and sick

As technology advances, old technology gets cheaper. As new drugs come out, old drugs become cheaper. It is the way capitalism works.


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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: trendal]
    #3699113 - 01/29/05 04:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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trendal said:
im actually surprised more companies aren't following suit.

Do you have any examples OTHER than this one of Canadian companies "stealing" US patents and selling the tech back to the US at discount price?




Not off hand, thats why i was surprised.  :tongue:  However, a quick search shows tons of IT litigation but i didn't want to spend time sifting out the frauds that are inevitably there...and im not a patent attorney.

Another interesting thing about this Canadian RIM company, they actually filed a patent lawsuit under US law against Handspring, makers of palm pilots because the keyboard shape resembled a Blackberry.  They also sued Good Technology because they were developing a wireless device as well.

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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: Catalysis]
    #3700217 - 01/29/05 09:46 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

well we should also maybe mention this is one company...hardly resembles how the majority of canada works.

anyway, looner. i too think that they need to be paid for their investments (ie 8 years of schooling, 4 years of research etc.).

however, canadians still get paid (and to some too much, to others not enough) and the retail price is usually a fair bit smaller than that of the US prices.

i dont think you can say the pharm companies arent greedy. and as you said they are a business that needs to make money to do things. but you could also look at what some doctors claim they can do (ie cure cancer) and think why we never see this and why its not publicly sold.

cures may as well be profitable but NO where near as much as the way it is now. take cancer for instance. look at how many hours, pills, scans etc are taken through the course of years per person for cancer. if a person lives say 5 years im sure the retail is 10's of thousands of dollars out of pocket. if they cured it im sure lots would pay big bucks but there jsut wouldnt be the same money generated.

Steven Seagal said in the movie "The Patriot"- "I'm in the business of curing sickness, they (city doctors, implying the "industry) are in the business of prolonging sickness." and that is to a point my belief too. along with oil companies and alternative fuels. tehres literature all over the place. but because of the subjects people just call tehm hippies and tell them to go get their tinfoil hats and shut it.


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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: kadakuda]
    #3704995 - 01/30/05 10:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I haveta also say that I think that intellectual property is important. Why would anyone do cancer research if anyone could use their ideas? It would destroy the scientific community, which is based on the spread of free knowledge to improve the world... A patent lets you see how something operates, and invites you to improve upon it, or if you feel that the patent is a good idea, pay whoever owns the patent homage to use it yourself....good system =).


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Re: The Blackberry battle: Canada Officially Endorses Stealing US Patents [Re: chocbruce]
    #3705076 - 01/30/05 11:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

unless of course one company gets to have a monopoly for 10 years or so.

its too extreme for my liking. stickign with cancer research, dont you think that 2 years for tehm would be enough? having things go so long before other companies can make a cheaper version is certainly causing suffering. which is where i am coming from. sure they "need" to get paid back so that they are willing to research other things, but i think you will find the researchers arent paid much of that. its the companies that put up the money and suck people dry selling the stuff.


pn the opther hand its also up to our government to actually USE our tax money on health care, not waste it aways on retarded shit that make sthem look good.

its all a greedy popularity contest in my opinion.


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