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 Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? 
#367425 - 08/05/01 10:11 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I read somewhere that shrooms give off heat, but theyre 90-92% water, so if its windy wont some of it evaporate and make it colder? anyways, i dont wanna waste money on a infrared rifle scope, but i have a gun and want one anyway, but anyways, back to the original question, would i be able to distinguish the shrooms from the field with infrared? has anyone tried nightvision?
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: TripsAreForKids]
#367427 - 08/05/01 10:16 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are you going to sneak up on them??
I feel a rifle is over kill if you are trying to make them submit.
A simple hand around stem and pull will work I have heard they are a nonviolent species it's those pan cyans you have to worry about the will attack you.
Anyway happy hunt Elmer.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: dimitri211]
#367434 - 08/05/01 10:26 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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ummm.. not sure if you caught what i was trying to say... i'd just take the scope and put it in my hand, not bringing any sort of firearm, but anyways, id be able to see the changes in temperatures in the ground and shrooms, or would i not... do they produce heat or not.. thats all i need to know, and if so, around how much... id be easy to find shrooms just by looking through a scope and finding the hottest zones or spots of earth..
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: dimitri211]
#367435 - 08/05/01 10:27 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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if he gets the infra red he won't have to sneak up on them...
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: TripsAreForKids]
#367439 - 08/05/01 10:33 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know what you are saying just needed a little humor.
They are expensive scopes.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: dimitri211]
#367456 - 08/05/01 11:04 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea i know, but i'm getting one since hunting seasons comin around soon... and i can spend a little extra cash for a more sensitive one if i can use it for finding shrooms as well.... kill two birds with one stone ya know
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: TripsAreForKids]
#367477 - 08/06/01 12:03 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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hunting is morally and ethically wrong.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: thegoldenteacher]
#367531 - 08/06/01 03:36 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I very much enjoy hunting as I'm sure many around here do. Morally and ethically wrong? By who's ethics? Many say the same thing about people using shrooms. Hunting is legal however. Don't like hunting? Don't hunt. Don't force your liberal views on me. :)>
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: thegoldenteacher]
#367532 - 08/06/01 03:39 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Night vision scopes DO NOT pick up heat. They're either light amplification or infared receptive. Yes heat is infared, but not in the range (~800 nm) of night vision scopes, goggles, monoculars etc.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Eightball]
#367621 - 08/06/01 09:48 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not going to get into this now, but hunting is not morally or ethically wrong, it is human nature. Buying meat from a grocery store and thinking since you didn't kill i, its ok, is wrong. Being forced to depend on todays society and conveniences rather than living off the land the way it should be, is wrong. Helping destroy the world and its natural resources by supporting these conveniences is wrong.
Respectfully harvesting anything fromthe land for your own use is NOT wrong. Whether it be mushrooms, corn, or a deer, its not wrong.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Lizard King]
#367642 - 08/06/01 10:37 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't mean to sound judgemental, but anyone who is against hunting should be shot.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: superpimp]
#367692 - 08/06/01 12:53 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just like you "Big bad hunters" do to the defenseless animals, no?
Hunting is wrong, I don't want to have this discussion on this thread, but I want my 2 cents worth. Humans are no better than animals, and don't give me your "free will" crap, you think we have free will? Open your eyes are read between the lines, we're just drones like any other animal, but programmed for different tasks.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Eightball]
#367699 - 08/06/01 01:14 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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jesus fucking christ people, dont get off topic now.... anyways, i know nightvision dont pick up heat, duh, but you could see a hell of alot easier.... but back to the original question, do mushrooms produce heat?
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: TripsAreForKids]
#367837 - 08/06/01 06:05 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not going to get into this now, but hunting is not morally or ethically wrong, it is human nature. Buying meat from a grocery store and thinking since you didn't kill i, its ok, is wrong. Being forced to depend on todays society and conveniences rather than living off the land the way it should be, is wrong. Helping destroy the world and its natural resources by supporting these conveniences is wrong.
that's why I'm vegan bro. I do want to get into this, cause it breaks my heart to hear people talking about killing animals. Respect nature man, and respectfully lizard king, I have zero respect for a stupid ass farmer who is fucking the land up and claiming it's "his", I have as much right as he does to be there picking shrooms, or just fucking around. I want to let some cattle out of their pens now, that'd be cool. But seriously, I hate when people try to lay that shit that humans are supposed to hunt, humans are supposed to be vegans or at least vegetarians nowadays, why eat meat and hurt animals when you dont have to in this day and age. It's been noted by countless doctors that a vegan diet is an excellent diet to hold to, especially with the improvement of health food stores spotting up all around the world now, its so incredibly easy.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: thegoldenteacher]
#367839 - 08/06/01 06:08 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh and yeah, anyone with a half decent brain on their shoulders can go to a bookstore and check out wild edible foods in the wilderness, You CAN live off plants, mushrooms, etc without killing animals. Rather healthily too, again only if you have a semi decent intellect, which some of you hunters apparently do not have.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: thegoldenteacher]
#367841 - 08/06/01 06:09 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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sorry again, keep thinking of small little things, but dont take my word about the edible plants mushrooms, etc, go to the bookstore and get it and try it yourself, I did, I lived 17 days on a section of the appalachian trail without losing any weight. You can do it too I'm sure lizard king.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: thegoldenteacher]
#367852 - 08/06/01 06:28 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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golden teacher I have to admit thats pretty cool bout living in the woods and shit. but why the hell wouldnt you want to eat meat? And let me ask ya this did your diet include bugs?????maybe not but im pretty sure it did. so is eating bugs ok? any ways your also exploiting plants man so if your gonna take it half way might as well take it all the way to the extreme and just drink water. just my 2 cents. plus I HATE vegetables they taste like shit and have bad texture. not all most. anyways everyone else is rambling so im going to go on too. actually the point is your killing an animal so what. animals kill humans as well. I dont blame them its their nature. as it is ours to eat meat, and to do so you have to kill animals unless you want to live like a vulture. I do hate that most hunters waste a lot of the animal. I know some that dont even eat what they kill which is sick.....and more importantly when are people going to let people live how they want. i dont give a shit if you want to be a vegan.....
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Ick69]
#367915 - 08/06/01 08:38 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just feel differently than you, I'm sorry.
I understand that we don'ty have to eat as much meat as we do, and I agree with alot that you say, but it is human nature to consume meat on occasions. I try not to eat much meat myself, I mainly eat fish and grains, sometimes I go days without eating meat.
I truley would like to live off the land one day, and I can't think of any way around hunting, nor would I want to. Hunting would be important not only as a food source, but as a tool and leather source. I would definately need leather hides for clothing and several other needs. I would also use the bone for tools, for example I am starting to learn how to flintknapp(make arrowheads) and the most important tools are a hammer billet made of antler, and a pressure flaker made from the tine of an antler. There are several reasons to hunt. Beisdes, I'm not your typical out for the sport hunter with thousands of dollars worth of equipment, I use a long bow I made myself from osuaga(and backed with sinew, commonly known as hide glue, another reason to hunt)
Anyways, I hear alot of what your saying, but I still feel the need to consume meat on occasionally. I don;t agree with commercial meat production, and I try to never eat store bought meat. I think its not only a waste of land to raise cattle, but also a cruel thing to do to a mass of animals so Americans can eat steak and cheesburgers at will. I try to hunt all the meat I consume, including fish I catch myself. I don't feel its a wrong thing to do, its is natural to me. If its your nature to be a vegan, do what you feel is natual to you, more power to you. I don;t have anything against vegans, I just choose not to live that way.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Lizard King]
#368012 - 08/07/01 12:15 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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the longlost american dream i would say. Nahh more like the way it should be. But it will be nice to see my irs tax relief check come. I think it boils down to the ethics and morals "civilized" humans have come to adopt, these humans often not even realizing they too are just natural animals. What a fucking waste, what a huge joke this has become.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Lizard King]
#368023 - 08/07/01 12:55 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of all of the animals in the entire animal kingdom, I fear none more than I fear humans. We are leading to our own demise. We are trashing our earth and destroying way too many species of animals, before they have time to regenerate their numbers. Humans alone have lead to the destruction of more species of animals than any other species in the history of the planet.
Some species die out over time, that is nature. As a species is unable to evolve to fit their environment, they may eventually just go extinct.
Humans for thousands of years were able to live at one with nature. Now they feel the need to detroy it. Kill animals such as snow leopards, foxes, beavers, snakes, crocodiles, and too many more only for their furs or skin too be used as a coat. In the past, nature has been able to stay at a dynamic equalibrium. All animals could live together without killing everything off. Producers were eaten by consumers, who were in turn eaten by carnivores. The consumer herbivores could regenerate fast enough to survive.
Humans feel the need to be the dominant species on this planet. Most of us have absolutely no care for wild animals, only ourselves. We believe in technology no matter what the technology destroys.
Humans, as a race, are doomed. I long for the day when we all go extinct to rid this planet of us. We are the only real monsters. We would be better off living from intincts like almost all other animals. I, however, have faith in mother nature. She has not made many mistakes thus far, and I am sure she wll correct this one. All I can do is help her out by trying my darndest to preserve the deminishing wildlife.
Did you know tht we are destroying our rainforests at the rate of about 1 football field per second? What gives humans the right to "own" land? It belongs to everyone, and everything. It is all of these things and more that lead me to hate humans. I do not hate the individual, but the species as a whole. I find peace in living an interacting with animals. Some day I just want to move to the most remote part of the planet and just live there in peace.
God I know nobody has probably read this entre post. I am sorry I went way off topic, but it is related to what you people have been saying about how hunting is bad. I feel that is is only because in todays age, we get our meat at the grocery store, we do not need to kill any extra animals and waste their flesh to get our jollies off. All you hunters should just admit it, you just enjoy feeling the power of being able to kill. You are trigger happy. You care about yourself and not the fact that you do more harm than good by hunting.
Oh well, I cannot stop you.
And I am also interested in knowing if mushrooms give off heat?
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: pyromaniac]
#368115 - 08/07/01 09:47 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Great post pyro, I couldn't agree more. But why is it that people think all hunters are the same? As with any group, there are the dumbasses, can't stop them all the time. I think its horrible to kill any animal for the sole purpose of harvestings its fur. I don't waste a thing from my kill, honestly I don't. I'll takes pics of my bone pile and tanned hides if you want, but I don't waste anything. I also quit hunting with a rifle a few years ago and now hunt strickly long bow. It has nothing to do with power over game, I hate freezing my ass off in the woods waiting for a deer, and when I take an animal, I even say a small prayer of thanks. I hunt for meat, not for sport. I'll admit that there is a rush involved in hunting, but that doesn't mean I'm out there for the thrill of the kill. All animals experiance this same rush when hunting, its your primal instinct kicking in, or what I like to call buck fever.
I think its ridiculous that people think I should have to live like them, buying my food from a store. Just because I can buy store meat, doesn't mean I should be forced to quit hunting and pay for my food like the rest. Not to mention I hate eating meat with an unknown orgin or age.
If we all hunted and grew what we needed, there wouldn't be half the problems in this world there is today. Hunting is a small, small problem in the big picture. Like mentioned before, deforestation, land ownership, and the the harvest of mass livestock are far greater problems than the hunter that takes what he needs respectfully. A field of cows that are raised to be put to death for the better of man is a far more pathetic site than a human standing over his kill that he earned.
Face it, The person eating store bought meat is doing more harm than a person hunting his own meat, its a fact. Not only that, but eating store bought meat is a pussy way to consume meat without having to think about the animals it came from. Your just as much a murderer as I when you eat store bought meat, your just hiring someone to do the dirty deed for you, pretty lame if you ask me. Add up all the meat you eat in a year, and I'll bet it takes more animals to feed the average human than the number of deer I take per year(about 3)
So next time you jump on hunters, you better jump on the person who supports murdering mass livestock so they can eat store bought meat.
Edited by Lizard King on 08/07/01 11:00 AM.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Lizard King]
#368447 - 08/07/01 11:48 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well LK, I have a greater respect for you after reading that post. I mush prefer a hunter that doesnt waste a single thing than a livestock farmer who does. Regardless, I know raising livestock in a life doomed to a death caused by humans, but I cannot see any way around it.
I would stop it if I could, just as I would stop hunters who kill purely for the thrill of killing.
I hate how so many animals die to keep humans alive, but the animals die in a very disgusting and disrespectful way. Just today, on the freeway, I saw a truck carrying chickens to be butchered. The chickens were crammed together so tightly that they could barely move. They were not given enough height in their containers to even be able to lift their head.
I really should shut up, so that is just what I will do. This topic should be brought up again in off-topic discussion later, but this isnt what this particular thread is about, and here we have all gone "ape-shit" over something completely different than the poster originally asked.
Funny how quickly the conversation can change.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: thegoldenteacher]
#368475 - 08/08/01 12:28 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I neither have the want nor desire to live off plants like some herbavore animal. I enjoy the kill. I enjoy eating what I kill. Man is a PREDATOR. Sorry if that displeases you. Perhaps in time your family line will evolve into docile plant eaters that my predatory line can hunt and devour. :)> It gripes my ass to see anyone downing hunters. You think we are the ones hunting endangered species and cutting the forests down? No I think not. Without hunters we would have an overpopulation of certain species of animals nowadays..such as deer...rabbits..squirrels. Hunters are not the problem people. I enjoy the forests and animals even when I'm not hunting. It's all the g/d people that's the problem. There are too many humans around nowadays. I've seen many nice hunting areas(woods) around here disappear for subdivisions and apartment buildings within the last decade. Subdivisions and apartment buildings that house people just like you all. This county which was once 'bumfuck' is now the fastest growing in this state. I would move farther out if I thought it would help, but 'progress' would no doubt catch up to me no matter where I moved.
BTW if your a vegan I'd be sure to sleep in a well ventilated area...buahaha :)>
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: pyromaniac]
#368493 - 08/08/01 12:54 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those poor chickens! You should report it to animal rights! lol How can you feel compasion for a chicken? They are some of the stupidist nastiest creatures around(besides some humans). The only thing good about them is their taste. They were born and bred to be our food. Without eating animals humans would have died out(.) If an animal is not self aware,intelligent, or endangered I see no reason not to harvest them if they taste as good as chicken...or beef. Your saying I should give a chicken a respectfull death if I'm going to eat it..how would I go about that? Say a prayer over it first maybe? Commend it's soul to God? What difference does it make . It's all going to the same place. The stomachs of billions of people. Does anyone here actually believe a chicken has feelings like we do? That we should treat it with respect before slaughtering it, gutting it, and sending it to the markets for consumption? I'm not talking animal cruelty, but I don't think those chickens would be any better off if they were in a nice big cage with plenty of head room for them to be comfortable before they are KILLED. I don't know about you all but I do NOT place animal life above humans in value and to do so is simply...idiotic and illogical(.) I don't mean to irritate...then again maybe I do some, but some of the responses in this thread annoy me. If you all were living in the 18th or 19th century then you would NO DOUBT think differently and perhaps with a little more common sense. Too much technology has caused people in this day and age to become WEAK.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
#368978 - 08/08/01 07:15 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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B U M P, it'll be nice to get other's opinions on this, hey i have one.
Man is a PREDATOR>>
no, man is an omnivore, meaning it eats a wide range of foods, including meat. You know I love it when big puffy arrogant redneck fucks say MAN IS BORN TO EAT MEAT, actually man was traditionally gatherers, meaning they gathered nuts, berries, GRUBS(yes early man didnt have the ability or the knowledge to be totally cruelity free), etc etc. I couldn't look myself in the mirror and peer into the eyes of a killer, I'm not a killer, I'm a lover, haha sorry had to throw that in, seriously I couldnt stand being cruel like that. LK I respect your goals and obvious knowledge you have of primitive hunting, its an admirable thing to know there are people breaking boundaries in the hunting world. I have no qualm with anyone, cause who am I to say your wrong and Im right, cause I guess in your world its how I see it, just reversed. heh dont know if that made sense. Im scattered, tired, opiated up. So I will close. heh. An animal is someONE. not something, in my eyes. but eh....ok i'll finish this tomorrow i truly sound like an idiot, cant focus eyes, oh god its only 9, I have to go to sleep so i can wake up at 11 and roll.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: thegoldenteacher]
#368979 - 08/08/01 07:16 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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i have points to make, sorry i just cant do them now. will get it soon.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: thegoldenteacher]
#369036 - 08/08/01 09:03 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I'm a big puffy arrogant redneck fuck? lol
It's hard to argue with common sense. Which is what your trying to do. Humans were HUNTER/gatherers to begin with. Despite what you 'think' humans did not survive on gathered nuts, berries, and grubs alone. They may have ate these things when NOTHING else was available, but if they ran into an animal they could kill and eat they did kill and eat it. There is plenty of proof in history of human nature. Humans have hunted since coming into existence. Humans are carnivores(.) We still have the canine teeth to prove it. It matters not. I enjoy hunting..I enjoy eating animal flesh. You like vegetables? Go ahead and graze your whole life for all I care. Don't try to make me believe the false views that made you that way...it's never going to happen. Perhaps you need a wakeup call to the real world. Many do actually. You lived a couple weeks on plants in the Appalachians? Try it in winter my friend. Better yet try moving out to some remote forest and living a whole year without hunting by yourself. YOU WOULD DIE without assitance or giving in I don't care what book you've read. Of that I am fairly sure. I tire of this argument. I've had such arguments before and they accomplish little with either side because ultra liberal environmentalists are usually so g/d boneheaded. :)> Some people are too pampered and weak to admit their true nature. It is the way of things in today's pampered soiciety alas.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
#369187 - 08/09/01 05:15 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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We are meat eaters beyond a doubt but what I don't like are these fuckers coming to BC to hunt Grizzley's just for the sport. They don't eat them, they just brag about how they killed the beast from 200 yards away with an elephant gun. Poor creature didn't even know it was being hunted.
Everytime I hear of a bear attack, it's like right on!
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: ]
#369206 - 08/09/01 06:25 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well whatever you hunt you should definitely eat. Hunting without eating what you kill is a useless waste. Personally I don't care much for bears..hunting them or otherwise. One little note though..most bear attacks are NOT upon a hunter. It's usually a tourist, hiker, or camper...people that have no weapons like high powered rifles to defend themselves with and kill the bear. The bear is usually hunted down afterwards and killed anyway. Especially if said bear attack was fatal to the human victim.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
#369392 - 08/09/01 04:23 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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hunting is not wrong. i love it. haven't you ever seen the foodchain? everything points towards humans.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
#369688 - 08/10/01 05:30 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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some people associate hunting with power, strength, masculinity I think its wrong to say Man is a predator it doesnt apply to this world today things have changed now and man should show his strength by resisting these "urges" to kill because the truth is most hunters arent to concerned with the state of the environment and as even 2nd graders know there is a major crisis. hunters shouldnt use primitive man as an example to justify there behaviour because primitive man lived in harmony with hes environment and he excepted the similarities between himself and wild beasts sometimes he even considered them gods, but from behind the protection of society some people fire bullets at defenceless animals and say there in tune with there natural self but its not for survival like it was for primative man these hunters could live without there guns and its this expression of Western male ego that is upsetting and damaging. A hunting mans need to assert his masculinity is a man who has something to prove because he is not convinced himself that he is a strong male he could be called weak himself because he reacts so strongly and is desperately trying to prove a point not all hunters are like this and I am not saying anyone here is but there are plenty of hunters like that out there and they bother me .
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: missulena]
#369701 - 08/10/01 06:14 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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What a great thread, in the wrong forum maybe, but it makes for a good read when the mushroom hunting threads are a bit slow.
Anyways, all I am trying to say is that you can't generalize any group of people, negative or otherwise. I thought being shroomers, we would know that, but I guess not.
Not ALL hunters are bad, just like all vegans aren't idiots. The truth is, by pumping gas into your car, or writing on paper that came from trees, buying store bought meat or vegatbles, and even paying your taxes, you are doing FAR FAR more damage than any typical hunter could ever do, or wants to do for that matter. There is no macho need in most hunters, people don't hunt to prove anything. To be honest, I thinks its the other way around, I think most vegans choose to be the way they are to try and prove something to themselves, and to others around them. Thats besides the point though.
Every state has a fish and game managment department, most all hunters comply with the regualtions set forth, we do not harm the land or the population of the animal we hunt. We aren't out there killing animals that are endangered, those are pochers, not hunters. To generalize hunters like that in one group, is like saying all shroomers are hippie wannabes that trash the farmers land and cut the fence to enter the field.
I think its much too easy to view hunters in a negative sense, lump us all together and call us bad. It also appears that the "big fat arrogant rednecks" in this thread are actually vegans and not hunters. Which by the way, we don't use language in here like that when used in that manner. Just like you can't say "niggers, spics, sand niggers, gooks, etc..." Surely you don't plan to persuede other "evil meat eaters" with language like that? I think that tofu has gone straight to your head.
So, now I take a vote, do we leave it open, or close it down? Its getting interesting :)
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Lizard King]
#369705 - 08/10/01 06:30 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didnt say all hunters are like that I said there is alot like that and its true I have met many like that. I didnt lump you under that group like you lumped the vegans together I said I wasnt talking about anyone here because I dont know them well enough. pumping gas, buying store brought products, paying taxes, and writing on paper some vegans do these things but hunters do them also plus add hunting to the list
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: missulena]
#369744 - 08/10/01 08:06 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, most hunters are not like that, your full of it. I know alot more hunters than you, and I have yet to meet one who doesn't respect land and animals. We hunters despise the people who fly to africa to take big game trophies, or to alaska to kill some animals for fur. We despise people who kill for sport only. My entire family hunts(both sides), and they would all be very upset to think they were grouped together with the type of hunter you describe. I grew up in a small poor town where farming and hunting was the way of life, where we had to drive far and pay a pretty penny for groceries. I'm not goiing to stop hunting because I live in a big city now and can pay for my food. I still have a big garden and hunt every year. I'm not self sufficent, but I'm far closer than most will ever be. Atleast I don't have to depend soley on societies convenience to feed myself. Without a grocery store, most vegans would be screwed.
Pumping gas, buying paper etc... is damaging the land in one way or another. Hunting doesn't damage anything but the animal killed, which is the real issue at hand isn;t it? You can't stand to see a poor furry animal die, boo hoo. Well, sorry, but thats not a legit reason not to hunt. When a cat kills its pray, the last thing on its mind is "poor mouse", and the same goes for human.
Look around and tell me what side effects hunting has had on animals or land? None!
Look around at all the clear cutting you see going on, its fairly common to see cleared lots in both the city and in rural areas. Or how about those landfills, you know, where all those empty tofu packages go. I can SEE what those things are doing to our land, not to mention what I can't see happening. What about hunting, what adverse effects has it had on this world? Remember, pouching doesn't count, thats another group of people.
My point is that hunting gets more negative attention than it deserves because folks have a warm spot in their heart for furry creatures. Really, there are hundreds of thousands of far worse things going on everyday that you help unknowingly contribute to, these are real problems. Anti-hunting is nothing more than your dislike to see a cuddly fuzzy animal die, there are no real reason why one shouldn't hunt except its YOUR opinion we don't have to anymore.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Lizard King]
#369947 - 08/10/01 08:54 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fair enough lizard king I probably havent met as many hunters as you so I ll take your word for it that most hunters are decent people who respect the environment that they hunt in. It wasnt the fact that the animals were furry and cuddly though I actually prefer snakes and spiders.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: missulena]
#370099 - 08/11/01 06:21 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hunting is fun. The hunt and challenge of the kill as well as the rewards. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't do it. Don't criticize hunters though because your 'opinion' differs. I don't buy all that primitive man in harmony with nature crap either. Man is apart of nature aye and still is now despite the technology we've created.
Further more males always have asserted there masculinity. In almost every higher animal in nature males have done so for millions of years. What's the problem ? Should I act femine and weak? I don't believe hunting to be such a case at any rate. Oh and by the way I know several women that hunt avidly. Are they asserting their masculinity? lol
It's an enjoyable sport now no longer required for most, but it causes little enviornmental harm and brings extra food to the table potentially saving money on store baught goods. Hunters don't cause species to go extinct or cut down rain forests. People do it for the reward and the thrill of the hunt. I will always enjoy it. Go pick on some South American loggers if you want to whine at someone. :)>
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Lizard King]
#370122 - 08/11/01 08:35 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Glacius]
#370897 - 08/13/01 12:59 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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>Hunters don't cause species to go extinct.
What planet are you from?
I have a whole book here of vanished species, almost all vanished because of over hunting. Here are just a few:
11 species of wolf including the Texas Grey, Florida Black, Great Plains Black
seveal species of bear including the Mexican Silver Grizzley which was last seen in 1964
The Barbary Lion, the Cape Lion, 3 species of tiger, the Arizona Jaquar
several species of Bison
a whole chapter on lost species of deer, gazelle and caribou including the Dawsons caribou from BC
various wild horses and zebra's, never to be seen again
Caribbean Monk Seal, last seen in 1952, variuos other whales, Giant tortoises, fish galore, birds by the dozen
there are hundreds of others on the waiting/endangered list
it makes me sick!
Is it ok to hunt BC grizzleys for any reason at all just because the govenment says they are not endangered?
Don't believe those fuckers, they ARE endangered but they won't admit it!
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: TripsAreForKids]
#370908 - 08/13/01 01:14 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey trips, check your PM's i answered you there seeing as this post has gone significantly off track..... -later
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: ]
#370935 - 08/13/01 02:26 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hunters in the past have hunted species to extinction or near extinction yes. This is not the past though and I wasn't talking about the past when I said hunters do not hunt species to extinction. Those that hunt endangered species are called POACHERS.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
#370967 - 08/13/01 05:29 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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<"I have no qualm with anyone, cause who am I to say your wrong and Im right, cause I guess in your world its how I see it, just reversed. heh dont know if that made sense.">
I just wanted to say that that was fucking awesome. We can all learn something from this golden teacher fella. Which is this: opiates, mushrooms, ecstasy, etc. are good. They stimulate the creative mind and at the same time bring out your stupidity, and their fun too. Now all you people need to shut the hell up and get on with your lives because you're not getting anywhere here. I am a vegetarian, and I've learned that if someone doesn't see things the way I do on the subject, then they can just f#ck off because arguing about it isn't gonna help 'em. Only the good lord can save all of you poor hunters' souls. Heh, just kidding there is no god. Only the mushroom god, which is your mind and the energy of the universe. anyways, I'm sure all of the smart people have stopped looking at this post a long time ago, so I guess I'm wasting my time.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: thegoldenteacher]
#370968 - 08/13/01 05:30 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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My father in law is a hunter, he hunts season birds like ducks, pigeons etc. Now, we have a farm and we raise some chickens, ducks, gooses.. He can't kill or eat our home animals, why ? He loves animals, he's devoted to them, still he's a hunter. See, hunters don't go to the field armed to the teeth with bazookas, riffles, guns, whatever to kill animals, it's just a reflection of a need, the need to be in contact with mother nature, to walk, to apreciate the greatness of our past as we gather to embrace the very beginning of our society, the first comunities born from the need to hunt in big scale or big animals.
Now society wants you to be at home, to participate on its game, to go to the supermarket and enrich some fat dude who's sitting on a chair laughing "buy more of our fatassed food, will give you pesticides, conservatives, we will make you sick so you can give money to the big pharmaceuticals, we will advertise on TV on the Net, so you can have your head full of us, sing our comercials and you'll be convinced, take just a taste and you'll be mine as the secret of my achievement, capitalism and chemicals baby, that's the way my fatass works, ah! ah! ah!", i say "FUCK UP ASSHOLE", i buy what i want, i eat what i want and i see what i want. Do you vegans think your right? Don't you realise they grow your (their) vegetables using the same technique they do with animals ? Yes they take forests down to plant your food, Yes they drain the nutrients of the land with several, unbalanced and profitable crops of "The branch you see on TV". I don't say you have to leave society and go living to a desert island, i also go to McDonald's once and a while, i've worked on McDonalds years ago for a year and a half for God sakes, just be open minded, informed, try to get from society its best, just remember that nature is out there to be touched and discovered, hunting is a task as any other task you do in nature, it all depends on what you want from that task.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Typingwords]
#370982 - 08/13/01 06:22 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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"P.S.: the great cthulhu or whatever is a fucking retard"
I think you have it reversed but I'm not going to get into a flame with you. It's perfectly obvious from your post who the "fucking retard" is.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
#371029 - 08/13/01 09:07 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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sorry for not responding earlier, but I think everyone has layed their opinions out and everyone has learned something, thanks for the facts max, I took note of those, that IS sad. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: thegoldenteacher]
#371071 - 08/13/01 10:46 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alrighty then, that was fun :) Some good, strong opinions in here. I think the bottom line is, do what makes you happy, and don't criticize others for others for living the way that makes them happy. Diversity is whats makes people unique, I'm glad their is someone out there thats a vegan, we need a few of them to bitch at us hunters :)
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