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 Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision?  [Re: pyromaniac]
#368115 - 08/07/01 09:47 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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Great post pyro, I couldn't agree more. But why is it that people think all hunters are the same? As with any group, there are the dumbasses, can't stop them all the time. I think its horrible to kill any animal for the sole purpose of harvestings its fur. I don't waste a thing from my kill, honestly I don't. I'll takes pics of my bone pile and tanned hides if you want, but I don't waste anything. I also quit hunting with a rifle a few years ago and now hunt strickly long bow. It has nothing to do with power over game, I hate freezing my ass off in the woods waiting for a deer, and when I take an animal, I even say a small prayer of thanks. I hunt for meat, not for sport. I'll admit that there is a rush involved in hunting, but that doesn't mean I'm out there for the thrill of the kill. All animals experiance this same rush when hunting, its your primal instinct kicking in, or what I like to call buck fever.
I think its ridiculous that people think I should have to live like them, buying my food from a store. Just because I can buy store meat, doesn't mean I should be forced to quit hunting and pay for my food like the rest. Not to mention I hate eating meat with an unknown orgin or age.
If we all hunted and grew what we needed, there wouldn't be half the problems in this world there is today. Hunting is a small, small problem in the big picture. Like mentioned before, deforestation, land ownership, and the the harvest of mass livestock are far greater problems than the hunter that takes what he needs respectfully. A field of cows that are raised to be put to death for the better of man is a far more pathetic site than a human standing over his kill that he earned.
Face it, The person eating store bought meat is doing more harm than a person hunting his own meat, its a fact. Not only that, but eating store bought meat is a pussy way to consume meat without having to think about the animals it came from. Your just as much a murderer as I when you eat store bought meat, your just hiring someone to do the dirty deed for you, pretty lame if you ask me. Add up all the meat you eat in a year, and I'll bet it takes more animals to feed the average human than the number of deer I take per year(about 3)
So next time you jump on hunters, you better jump on the person who supports murdering mass livestock so they can eat store bought meat.
Edited by Lizard King on 08/07/01 11:00 AM.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Lizard King]
#368447 - 08/07/01 11:48 PM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well LK, I have a greater respect for you after reading that post. I mush prefer a hunter that doesnt waste a single thing than a livestock farmer who does. Regardless, I know raising livestock in a life doomed to a death caused by humans, but I cannot see any way around it.
I would stop it if I could, just as I would stop hunters who kill purely for the thrill of killing.
I hate how so many animals die to keep humans alive, but the animals die in a very disgusting and disrespectful way. Just today, on the freeway, I saw a truck carrying chickens to be butchered. The chickens were crammed together so tightly that they could barely move. They were not given enough height in their containers to even be able to lift their head.
I really should shut up, so that is just what I will do. This topic should be brought up again in off-topic discussion later, but this isnt what this particular thread is about, and here we have all gone "ape-shit" over something completely different than the poster originally asked.
Funny how quickly the conversation can change.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: thegoldenteacher]
#368475 - 08/08/01 12:28 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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I neither have the want nor desire to live off plants like some herbavore animal. I enjoy the kill. I enjoy eating what I kill. Man is a PREDATOR. Sorry if that displeases you. Perhaps in time your family line will evolve into docile plant eaters that my predatory line can hunt and devour. :)> It gripes my ass to see anyone downing hunters. You think we are the ones hunting endangered species and cutting the forests down? No I think not. Without hunters we would have an overpopulation of certain species of animals nowadays..such as deer...rabbits..squirrels. Hunters are not the problem people. I enjoy the forests and animals even when I'm not hunting. It's all the g/d people that's the problem. There are too many humans around nowadays. I've seen many nice hunting areas(woods) around here disappear for subdivisions and apartment buildings within the last decade. Subdivisions and apartment buildings that house people just like you all. This county which was once 'bumfuck' is now the fastest growing in this state. I would move farther out if I thought it would help, but 'progress' would no doubt catch up to me no matter where I moved.
BTW if your a vegan I'd be sure to sleep in a well ventilated area...buahaha :)>
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: pyromaniac]
#368493 - 08/08/01 12:54 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those poor chickens! You should report it to animal rights! lol How can you feel compasion for a chicken? They are some of the stupidist nastiest creatures around(besides some humans). The only thing good about them is their taste. They were born and bred to be our food. Without eating animals humans would have died out(.) If an animal is not self aware,intelligent, or endangered I see no reason not to harvest them if they taste as good as chicken...or beef. Your saying I should give a chicken a respectfull death if I'm going to eat it..how would I go about that? Say a prayer over it first maybe? Commend it's soul to God? What difference does it make . It's all going to the same place. The stomachs of billions of people. Does anyone here actually believe a chicken has feelings like we do? That we should treat it with respect before slaughtering it, gutting it, and sending it to the markets for consumption? I'm not talking animal cruelty, but I don't think those chickens would be any better off if they were in a nice big cage with plenty of head room for them to be comfortable before they are KILLED. I don't know about you all but I do NOT place animal life above humans in value and to do so is simply...idiotic and illogical(.) I don't mean to irritate...then again maybe I do some, but some of the responses in this thread annoy me. If you all were living in the 18th or 19th century then you would NO DOUBT think differently and perhaps with a little more common sense. Too much technology has caused people in this day and age to become WEAK.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
#368978 - 08/08/01 07:15 PM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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B U M P, it'll be nice to get other's opinions on this, hey i have one.
Man is a PREDATOR>>
no, man is an omnivore, meaning it eats a wide range of foods, including meat. You know I love it when big puffy arrogant redneck fucks say MAN IS BORN TO EAT MEAT, actually man was traditionally gatherers, meaning they gathered nuts, berries, GRUBS(yes early man didnt have the ability or the knowledge to be totally cruelity free), etc etc. I couldn't look myself in the mirror and peer into the eyes of a killer, I'm not a killer, I'm a lover, haha sorry had to throw that in, seriously I couldnt stand being cruel like that. LK I respect your goals and obvious knowledge you have of primitive hunting, its an admirable thing to know there are people breaking boundaries in the hunting world. I have no qualm with anyone, cause who am I to say your wrong and Im right, cause I guess in your world its how I see it, just reversed. heh dont know if that made sense. Im scattered, tired, opiated up. So I will close. heh. An animal is someONE. not something, in my eyes. but eh....ok i'll finish this tomorrow i truly sound like an idiot, cant focus eyes, oh god its only 9, I have to go to sleep so i can wake up at 11 and roll.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: thegoldenteacher]
#368979 - 08/08/01 07:16 PM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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i have points to make, sorry i just cant do them now. will get it soon.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: thegoldenteacher]
#369036 - 08/08/01 09:03 PM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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So I'm a big puffy arrogant redneck fuck? lol
It's hard to argue with common sense. Which is what your trying to do. Humans were HUNTER/gatherers to begin with. Despite what you 'think' humans did not survive on gathered nuts, berries, and grubs alone. They may have ate these things when NOTHING else was available, but if they ran into an animal they could kill and eat they did kill and eat it. There is plenty of proof in history of human nature. Humans have hunted since coming into existence. Humans are carnivores(.) We still have the canine teeth to prove it. It matters not. I enjoy hunting..I enjoy eating animal flesh. You like vegetables? Go ahead and graze your whole life for all I care. Don't try to make me believe the false views that made you that way...it's never going to happen. Perhaps you need a wakeup call to the real world. Many do actually. You lived a couple weeks on plants in the Appalachians? Try it in winter my friend. Better yet try moving out to some remote forest and living a whole year without hunting by yourself. YOU WOULD DIE without assitance or giving in I don't care what book you've read. Of that I am fairly sure. I tire of this argument. I've had such arguments before and they accomplish little with either side because ultra liberal environmentalists are usually so g/d boneheaded. :)> Some people are too pampered and weak to admit their true nature. It is the way of things in today's pampered soiciety alas.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
#369187 - 08/09/01 05:15 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are meat eaters beyond a doubt but what I don't like are these fuckers coming to BC to hunt Grizzley's just for the sport. They don't eat them, they just brag about how they killed the beast from 200 yards away with an elephant gun. Poor creature didn't even know it was being hunted.
Everytime I hear of a bear attack, it's like right on!
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: ]
#369206 - 08/09/01 06:25 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well whatever you hunt you should definitely eat. Hunting without eating what you kill is a useless waste. Personally I don't care much for bears..hunting them or otherwise. One little note though..most bear attacks are NOT upon a hunter. It's usually a tourist, hiker, or camper...people that have no weapons like high powered rifles to defend themselves with and kill the bear. The bear is usually hunted down afterwards and killed anyway. Especially if said bear attack was fatal to the human victim.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
#369392 - 08/09/01 04:23 PM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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hunting is not wrong. i love it. haven't you ever seen the foodchain? everything points towards humans.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
#369688 - 08/10/01 05:30 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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some people associate hunting with power, strength, masculinity I think its wrong to say Man is a predator it doesnt apply to this world today things have changed now and man should show his strength by resisting these "urges" to kill because the truth is most hunters arent to concerned with the state of the environment and as even 2nd graders know there is a major crisis. hunters shouldnt use primitive man as an example to justify there behaviour because primitive man lived in harmony with hes environment and he excepted the similarities between himself and wild beasts sometimes he even considered them gods, but from behind the protection of society some people fire bullets at defenceless animals and say there in tune with there natural self but its not for survival like it was for primative man these hunters could live without there guns and its this expression of Western male ego that is upsetting and damaging. A hunting mans need to assert his masculinity is a man who has something to prove because he is not convinced himself that he is a strong male he could be called weak himself because he reacts so strongly and is desperately trying to prove a point not all hunters are like this and I am not saying anyone here is but there are plenty of hunters like that out there and they bother me .
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: missulena]
#369701 - 08/10/01 06:14 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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What a great thread, in the wrong forum maybe, but it makes for a good read when the mushroom hunting threads are a bit slow.
Anyways, all I am trying to say is that you can't generalize any group of people, negative or otherwise. I thought being shroomers, we would know that, but I guess not.
Not ALL hunters are bad, just like all vegans aren't idiots. The truth is, by pumping gas into your car, or writing on paper that came from trees, buying store bought meat or vegatbles, and even paying your taxes, you are doing FAR FAR more damage than any typical hunter could ever do, or wants to do for that matter. There is no macho need in most hunters, people don't hunt to prove anything. To be honest, I thinks its the other way around, I think most vegans choose to be the way they are to try and prove something to themselves, and to others around them. Thats besides the point though.
Every state has a fish and game managment department, most all hunters comply with the regualtions set forth, we do not harm the land or the population of the animal we hunt. We aren't out there killing animals that are endangered, those are pochers, not hunters. To generalize hunters like that in one group, is like saying all shroomers are hippie wannabes that trash the farmers land and cut the fence to enter the field.
I think its much too easy to view hunters in a negative sense, lump us all together and call us bad. It also appears that the "big fat arrogant rednecks" in this thread are actually vegans and not hunters. Which by the way, we don't use language in here like that when used in that manner. Just like you can't say "niggers, spics, sand niggers, gooks, etc..." Surely you don't plan to persuede other "evil meat eaters" with language like that? I think that tofu has gone straight to your head.
So, now I take a vote, do we leave it open, or close it down? Its getting interesting :)
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Lizard King]
#369705 - 08/10/01 06:30 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didnt say all hunters are like that I said there is alot like that and its true I have met many like that. I didnt lump you under that group like you lumped the vegans together I said I wasnt talking about anyone here because I dont know them well enough. pumping gas, buying store brought products, paying taxes, and writing on paper some vegans do these things but hunters do them also plus add hunting to the list
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: missulena]
#369744 - 08/10/01 08:06 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, most hunters are not like that, your full of it. I know alot more hunters than you, and I have yet to meet one who doesn't respect land and animals. We hunters despise the people who fly to africa to take big game trophies, or to alaska to kill some animals for fur. We despise people who kill for sport only. My entire family hunts(both sides), and they would all be very upset to think they were grouped together with the type of hunter you describe. I grew up in a small poor town where farming and hunting was the way of life, where we had to drive far and pay a pretty penny for groceries. I'm not goiing to stop hunting because I live in a big city now and can pay for my food. I still have a big garden and hunt every year. I'm not self sufficent, but I'm far closer than most will ever be. Atleast I don't have to depend soley on societies convenience to feed myself. Without a grocery store, most vegans would be screwed.
Pumping gas, buying paper etc... is damaging the land in one way or another. Hunting doesn't damage anything but the animal killed, which is the real issue at hand isn;t it? You can't stand to see a poor furry animal die, boo hoo. Well, sorry, but thats not a legit reason not to hunt. When a cat kills its pray, the last thing on its mind is "poor mouse", and the same goes for human.
Look around and tell me what side effects hunting has had on animals or land? None!
Look around at all the clear cutting you see going on, its fairly common to see cleared lots in both the city and in rural areas. Or how about those landfills, you know, where all those empty tofu packages go. I can SEE what those things are doing to our land, not to mention what I can't see happening. What about hunting, what adverse effects has it had on this world? Remember, pouching doesn't count, thats another group of people.
My point is that hunting gets more negative attention than it deserves because folks have a warm spot in their heart for furry creatures. Really, there are hundreds of thousands of far worse things going on everyday that you help unknowingly contribute to, these are real problems. Anti-hunting is nothing more than your dislike to see a cuddly fuzzy animal die, there are no real reason why one shouldn't hunt except its YOUR opinion we don't have to anymore.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Lizard King]
#369947 - 08/10/01 08:54 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fair enough lizard king I probably havent met as many hunters as you so I ll take your word for it that most hunters are decent people who respect the environment that they hunt in. It wasnt the fact that the animals were furry and cuddly though I actually prefer snakes and spiders.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: missulena]
#370099 - 08/11/01 06:21 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hunting is fun. The hunt and challenge of the kill as well as the rewards. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't do it. Don't criticize hunters though because your 'opinion' differs. I don't buy all that primitive man in harmony with nature crap either. Man is apart of nature aye and still is now despite the technology we've created.
Further more males always have asserted there masculinity. In almost every higher animal in nature males have done so for millions of years. What's the problem ? Should I act femine and weak? I don't believe hunting to be such a case at any rate. Oh and by the way I know several women that hunt avidly. Are they asserting their masculinity? lol
It's an enjoyable sport now no longer required for most, but it causes little enviornmental harm and brings extra food to the table potentially saving money on store baught goods. Hunters don't cause species to go extinct or cut down rain forests. People do it for the reward and the thrill of the hunt. I will always enjoy it. Go pick on some South American loggers if you want to whine at someone. :)>
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Lizard King]
#370122 - 08/11/01 08:35 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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(I agree completely with lizard king.
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: Glacius]
#370897 - 08/13/01 12:59 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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>Hunters don't cause species to go extinct.
What planet are you from?
I have a whole book here of vanished species, almost all vanished because of over hunting. Here are just a few:
11 species of wolf including the Texas Grey, Florida Black, Great Plains Black
seveal species of bear including the Mexican Silver Grizzley which was last seen in 1964
The Barbary Lion, the Cape Lion, 3 species of tiger, the Arizona Jaquar
several species of Bison
a whole chapter on lost species of deer, gazelle and caribou including the Dawsons caribou from BC
various wild horses and zebra's, never to be seen again
Caribbean Monk Seal, last seen in 1952, variuos other whales, Giant tortoises, fish galore, birds by the dozen
there are hundreds of others on the waiting/endangered list
it makes me sick!
Is it ok to hunt BC grizzleys for any reason at all just because the govenment says they are not endangered?
Don't believe those fuckers, they ARE endangered but they won't admit it!
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: TripsAreForKids]
#370908 - 08/13/01 01:14 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey trips, check your PM's i answered you there seeing as this post has gone significantly off track..... -later
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Re: Finding Shrooms With Infrared or Nightvision? [Re: ]
#370935 - 08/13/01 02:26 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hunters in the past have hunted species to extinction or near extinction yes. This is not the past though and I wasn't talking about the past when I said hunters do not hunt species to extinction. Those that hunt endangered species are called POACHERS.
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