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Casing Substrate Question
    #3673049 - 01/24/05 05:34 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Ok I have never done a casing before and I plan on trying it out here soon, but I have just a couple of questions. Should I use coco coir or peat moss? Which is beter 60/40 mixture with vermiculite and coco coir plus 5% limestone or a 50/50+ with vermiculite and peat moss and 15% oyster shell and %4 horticultural hydrated lime? Sorry I am relatively new and have read a few teks but each one has variations. I am just trying to find out what is the best substrate mix. I plan on starting the casing off with 1/2" of vermiculite, then followed with cakes cut in cucumber slices and open spaces filled with crumbled cake. Then my casing layer will go next which is still undecided. Also what other things are important to pay attention to when doing casings?


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Re: Casing Substrate Question [Re: DK1]
    #3673107 - 01/24/05 05:44 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

substrate depth! I don't know cakes very well, but my guess is you want em to be two inches thick or so (the slices)

Lime is easy to mess up. Try and stick with the oyster shells if possible.

Why bother with the bottom layer of verm? It will add moisture, sure...but it also sky-rockets the possibility of contams. Plus there are many other ways to hydrate your mushies

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Re: Casing Substrate Question [Re: ADoobie]
    #3673389 - 01/24/05 07:09 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

ok so then go with crushing up cake and put it in bottom of container, i read a tek that said to use slices that are 2"-3" and then cover with substrate mix. Should I use coco coir or peat moss? When I go to fruit my first casing I am just using a container with 2" of perlite with water, do u think the humidity would be too high?


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Re: Casing Substrate Question [Re: DK1]
    #3674667 - 01/24/05 11:20 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Perlite and water are fine thats all i use just dont forget to mist it when you fan. And i find that peat moss is easier to see when its gettin to dry cuz it gets lighter so u could try with that to start then try coir later to see which one u like better.


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Re: Casing Substrate Question [Re: godfann1]
    #3675826 - 01/25/05 02:29 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I think you have that backwords..coir is very easy to see, it gets very light brown. Peat has better water holding abilities then coir though. Coirs a bit more forgiving IMO but peat would be easier...use either mixed with verm...either 70/30 coir/verm or 50/50 peat/coir. You'll need to add oyster shell or limestone or some such (calcium carbonate)..not hydrated lime..that stuff is to strong and to easy to get things thrown off to much. How much will depend on the pH of the stuff you get. Verm doesnt need adjusting...coir can go without it (though I'd recommend it)..and peat you'll need it. Get the pH to 7.5. You'll need to test it yourself but you can get rough estimates from the FAQ's like the 50/50+ (I believe "Riches" or something).


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Re: Casing Substrate Question [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3676964 - 01/25/05 11:22 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

ok so i should use a 50/50 mix of peat and coir, no verm? Also don't use a bottom layer of substrate before laying down my layer of cake.

---- top layer - peat moss and coco coir plus crushed oyster shell
---- bottom layer - cucumber slice/crumbled cake

is that the best substrate to use for casings and the proper method?


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Re: Casing Substrate Question [Re: DK1]
    #3677007 - 01/25/05 11:31 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Verm and Coco Coir


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Re: Casing Substrate Question [Re: DK1]
    #3677080 - 01/25/05 11:46 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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DK1 said:
ok so i should use a 50/50 mix of peat and coir, no verm?  Also don't use a bottom layer of substrate before laying down my layer of cake.

---- top layer - peat moss and coco coir plus crushed oyster shell
---- bottom layer - cucumber slice/crumbled cake

is that the best substrate to use for casings and the proper method?




mix some peat, some coir, some verm - hydrate to field capacity and sterilize.

put a bit on the bottom, make it even, put the substrate on top,
and finish the baby with some more of the casing mix.
patch first breakthroughs, then fruit.
peace ohm :mushroom2:


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Re: Casing Substrate Question [Re: ohmatic]
    #3677825 - 01/25/05 03:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

DK1 said:
ok so i should use a 50/50 mix of peat and coir, no verm?  Also don't use a bottom layer of substrate before laying down my layer of cake.

---- top layer - peat moss and coco coir plus crushed oyster shell
---- bottom layer - cucumber slice/crumbled cake

is that the best substrate to use for casings and the proper method?




mix some peat, some coir, some verm - hydrate to field capacity and sterilize.

put a bit on the bottom, make it even, put the substrate on top,
and finish the baby with some more of the casing mix.
patch first breakthroughs, then fruit.
peace ohm :mushroom2:




you forgot to mention oyster shells, crushed or whole?  :stoned:


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