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Offlinelonestar2004
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Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes.
    #3671770 - 01/24/05 12:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

to crack down on spa prostitution.

"it was just so widespread. it had almost gotten in your face."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/topstory/3005716

so getting naked, and prostituting yourself is better then being a prostitute?


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3671789 - 01/24/05 12:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Fucking legalize and regulate already... idiots.


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3671850 - 01/24/05 12:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I blame the puritans. They put a nasty downard flat spin on the american sexual perception.


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3672155 - 01/24/05 01:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Isnt this entrapment?


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #3672375 - 01/24/05 02:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Prostitution=bad. It is exploitation. No woman is a prostitute because she likes it, but rather because she either feels she couldn't do anything else, or she couldn't make money doing anything else.

If we are legalizing prostitution we might as well repeal rape and child labor laws too.

However, I think seducing and then arresting patrons is definately entrapment.


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3672664 - 01/24/05 04:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Drug dealing = bad. No drug dealer is a dealer because he likes it, but because he felt he couldn't do anything else, or make money doing anything else. He obviously has no choice in the matter, and feels bad about it.

If we were to stop going after drugs we might as legalize torture and murder.


You've got to be bullshitting me. Making prostitution illegal works as well as the War on Drugs. If it's legal and regulated, we could help stop the spread of STDs and AIDS by testing the prostitutes and regular patrons, and make them have more protection. We could ensure all prostitutes were above age and mentally competent. Women have the choice what to do with their body, and if they want to pursue the "oldest profession in the world," that's up to them. What right do you have to tell a woman what to do with her body if she doesn't harm anyone else, and if both the man and the woman are consenting? Your view on prostitution is the same view that has put so many millions in jail for drugs in this country


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: Ravus]
    #3672687 - 01/24/05 04:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

^^^Exactly. It's stupid to make consentual behavior illegal. People are going to do it either way, so it's best to reduce the harm caused by it. In fact, with legal prostitution, you could prevent the practice of sexual slavery by setting up legitimate enterprises and screening job candidates. It's worked great in Nevada, as well as many European countries like the Netherlands.


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3674053 - 01/24/05 09:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Prostitution=bad. It is exploitation. No woman is a prostitute because she likes it, but rather because she either feels she couldn't do anything else, or she couldn't make money doing anything else.




I love you mostly, but, who the fuck are you to decide what a woman wants to do. Or man for that matter. Maybe, just maybe she/he's a nympho. Maybe they take pride in a job well done. Maybe, if we didn't have such ridiculous strictures on sexual behaviour this would be normal. Maybe it should be. Maybe it should be respectable.

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If we are legalizing prostitution we might as well repeal rape and child labor laws too.




Consent, turkey, consent. Once again, you have no business telling any adult how they should make their living, as long as they don't hurt anyone else.

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However, I think seducing and then arresting patrons is definately entrapment.




Why arrest anyone? Except a knowingly diseased hooker or john. That's an assault. And why are johns any less guilty than the whores.


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3676122 - 01/25/05 05:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

People should have the right to sell their body. If someone is willing to pay, they should be allowed to sell.

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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3676258 - 01/25/05 07:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

yup it should be legal like somebody said its safe and regulated in Nevada, and it works. peace

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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3676293 - 01/25/05 07:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

> Prostitution=bad. It is exploitation.

Illegal prostitution often leads to exploitation.


> No woman is a prostitute because she likes it

Ah, so you know the mind of all women. Personally, I can't even understand a single woman, let alone all women.

> but rather because she either feels she couldn't do anything else, or she couldn't make money doing anything else.

I have known one prostitute, from Nevada where it is legal. She was putting herself through college and only worked one or two weekends a month. She could make more working one weekend than most of us make in an entire month. She did it for the money, not because she couldn't do anything else, or couldn't make money doing anything else. She was most definitely not a victim and would get very annoyed when people took pity on her.

> If we are legalizing prostitution we might as well repeal rape and child labor laws too.

Golly, if we legalize drugs, we might as well repeal murder and antitrust laws too. What do rape and child labor have to do with legal prostitution? Absolutely nothing! Is it legal to be a prostitute in Nevada? Yes. Is it legal to rape a woman in Nevada? No. Is it legal to force a child to work in Nevada? No.

> However, I think seducing and then arresting patrons is definately entrapment.

Why? If prostitution should be illegal because it is abusive to the women, should we not do everything in our power to take the preditory men off the streets?


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3676309 - 01/25/05 07:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I don't find anything wrong with prostitution as long as she isn't walking around full of deseases. Just like drugs, people should have the right to do it as long as an adult is consenting. I bet there would be less rape and sexual problems if this were legalized.


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3677116 - 01/25/05 11:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No woman is a prostitute because she likes it, but rather because she either feels she couldn't do anything else, or she couldn't make money doing anything else.

You need to read more. There are actually quite a few escorts who do what they do because they enjoy it, and they are often activists for sex worker's rights.

The most famous, perhaps, being The Happy Hooker: http://www.xavierahollander.com/
Here's an article for the body mod e-zine done with several escorts who discuss their work, they certainly fall into the catagory of women who enjoy it: http://www.bmezine.com/news/pubring/20050112.html

Much of the problems associated with prostitution are caused by the laws against it. If pimping were illegal, prostitutes had to have licenses, were checked regularly for disease, and were able to work in a secure, safe location, then there would be less disease, less mistreatment of the women, and if they were abused, they'd be able to go to the police without worrying about being chastised and laughed out of the building.

If we are legalizing prostitution we might as well repeal rape and child labor laws too.

That's like saying "if we legalize marijuana, we might as well legalize murder too", it's a complete non-sequiter that has nothing at all to do with the topic at hand, and only serves as an attempt to try and equate the legalization of prostitution with real crimes, without the slightest attempt at justification.


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: Phluck]
    #3677188 - 01/25/05 12:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Much of the problems associated with prostitution are caused by the laws against it. If pimping were illegal, prostitutes had to have licenses, were checked regularly for disease, and were able to work in a secure, safe location, then there would be less disease, less mistreatment of the women, and if they were abused, they'd be able to go to the police without worrying about being chastised and laughed out of the building.



Define "pimping." If you owned and ran a legal brothel, wouldn't that essentially be pimping?


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: Phluck]
    #3677190 - 01/25/05 12:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Divided Sky... prostitution= bad

maybe

i have talked to prostitutes who said they enjoy it. i have also met some who said they are doing it so they don't starve to death.

but i do know the police could be spending their money and time on something else.


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: Paou]
    #3677208 - 01/25/05 12:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Define "pimping." If you owned and ran a legal brothel, wouldn't that essentially be pimping?

I think you'd be more of a manager then. The pimps tend to control the women, they seem to act a lot like the women are their slaves.


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: Phluck]
    #3677220 - 01/25/05 12:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What you're describing is a behavior, not a profession.


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: Paou]
    #3677233 - 01/25/05 12:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Isn't a profession a set of behaviours that results in income?


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: Phluck]
    #3677238 - 01/25/05 12:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The behavior you described has nothing to do with the way a pimp makes his money. A pimp is essentially a manager for his prostitutes, much like a manager for a band or actor or model.


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Re: Police disrobe to uncover sex crimes. [Re: Paou]
    #3677253 - 01/25/05 12:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The fact that they often take all the profit, and provide room and board for the prostitutes, without allowing them to leave is also part of how they make their income.


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