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InvisibleTheHateCamel
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Dropping the ego game.
    #3669351 - 01/23/05 08:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"Well," you (I) ask.

"How do I get rid of it?"

And my answer to that is:

That's the wrong question.

How does one get rid of what?

You can't get rid of your hallucination of being an ego by an activity of the ego.

Sorry, but it can't be done . . .

If you try to get rid of your ego with your ego you will just end up in a vicious circle.

You'd be like somebody who worries because they worry because they worry.


If you are looking for debate then ignore this.

Bye.


I'm looking for reading suggestions, ideas, and personal experiences that have lead you to drop your ego and cease your chronic anxiety.


Sometimes I get the feeling I'm trying to see colors in the dark.


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #3669400 - 01/23/05 09:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

TheHateCamel said:
"Well," you (I) ask.

"How do I get rid of it?"

And my answer to that is:

That's the wrong question.

How does one get rid of what?

You can't get rid of your hallucination of being an ego by an activity of the ego.

Sorry, but it can't be done . . .

If you try to get rid of your ego with your ego you will just end up in a vicious circle.

You'd be like somebody who worries because they worry because they worry.


If you are looking for debate then ignore this.

Bye.


I'm looking for reading suggestions, ideas, and personal experiences that have lead you to drop your ego and cease your chronic anxiety.


Sometimes I get the feeling I'm trying to see colors in the dark.




Yea
If the ego asks: "how do I get rid of the ego?",
the only answer that can be is "suicide"...

I think the point is not to turn of the ego, you can't live
here like that. The point is to realize its delusions and
hallucinations and see them for what they are.
The ego must know itself for what it is, to overcome itself.


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: skystone]
    #3669596 - 01/23/05 10:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)


"Will and Spirit" by Gerald May.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start...823/&e=8092

This book deals with something similar. May speaks about the difference between being willful and being willing. You can not will yourself into a spiritual awakening, but you can be willing to accept it.


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: skystone]
    #3669608 - 01/23/05 10:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"I think the point is not to turn of the ego"

I disagree

There is resistance only so long as the majority of humans are ego-driven. So, it may be difficult to 'drop the ego' in this society of ego-games (not impossible though), but the only way to change 'society' is to separate yourself from it.

Why is it that so many claim that egoless existance is 'impossible', when we were born that way. The ego is an aquired mask, not a personality trait. Reinforcing "it's control" over 'you' by saying that it is impossible to transcend is not beneficial. Stop feeding it, and it won't eat :cool:


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: deff]
    #3669648 - 01/23/05 10:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

deff said:
"I think the point is not to turn of the ego"

I disagree

There is resistance only so long as the majority of humans are ego-driven. So, it may be difficult to 'drop the ego' in this society of ego-games (not impossible though), but the only way to change 'society' is to separate yourself from it.

Why is it that so many claim that egoless existance is 'impossible', when we were born that way. The ego is an aquired mask, not a personality trait. Reinforcing "it's control" over 'you' by saying that it is impossible to transcend is not beneficial. Stop feeding it, and it won't eat :cool:




I ment total loss of ego, you can't walk around not knowing where
your legs and arms are, and where do you live.


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: skystone]
    #3669670 - 01/23/05 10:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

sure one can

but they wouldn't know that 'they' were

:smile:


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: deff]
    #3669682 - 01/23/05 10:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

found this and read it before i went to bed. thought it might be related :P he he
"As it is now, we have already been alive forever. This body that you are in, has been alive forever. It comes from an unending stream of life, going back to the Big Bang and beyond. This body gives life to the next life, in dense and subtle energy. This body has been alive forever already."

PS: i giggle when reading, "In 1982 I died from terminal cancer"
the love of such people willing to share!!  :smirk: :P hahaha


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: deff]
    #3669700 - 01/23/05 10:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

deff said:
sure one can

but they wouldn't know that 'they' were

:smile:




They wouldn't know they were not home to care about where it was or had arms or legs to miss.

I am laughing so hard my stomach muscles hurt.

Def you rock! :thumbup:

Perhaps there is a difference between ego loss and loss of consciousness? Can we find a happy medium here?


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3669729 - 01/23/05 10:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

By ego loss I don't mean loss of consciousness. It's actually more consciousness than before, it's just that there are no symbols to play around with, symbols like objects (house, street) or ideas like "moving here, moving there"


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: skystone]
    #3669756 - 01/23/05 11:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I understand that skystone, I was just responding to def having read his reply from a funny perspective, picturing people laying around like blobs drooling in bliss.

Gues you had to be in my head to see it.

For sure, its more consiousness. I didn't want to go there as this topic has come up a lot and it goes in circles. I am going to spiral out of it now. :wink:


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3670133 - 01/24/05 12:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"If you try to get rid of your ego with your ego you will just end up in a vicious circle."

Great point, well made.


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3670924 - 01/24/05 04:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think the first priority needs to be building a healthy ego, one that isn't petty or vindictive, or desperate. An ego that is comfortable in its skin, and feels connected and safe in its world. There's a good start. A necessary start.


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #3671398 - 01/24/05 07:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

NiamhNyx said:
I think the first priority needs to be building a healthy ego, one that isn't petty or vindictive, or desperate. An ego that is comfortable in its skin, and feels connected and safe in its world. There's a good start. A necessary start.





Carl Jung makes a similar statement. He mentions how you have to cultivated the ego first, which will lead to social isolation, then you can start (something?).

This had already happened to me so reading that made me feel better, I don't want to see anyone, they are all stupid ego driven imbeciles. :lol:


Thank you everyone. :grin:


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #3671563 - 01/24/05 10:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"I think the first priority needs to be building a healthy ego"
I actually think that this is the point being made by Buddhism. So much is said of ego loss here, but I have a friend from Czechoslovakia, who is from a Buddhist family that goes back several generations in the tradition, who told me that ego loss is incorrect. He said that self realization was the phenomenon being referenced by Buddhism. The moment that Buddhists strive for was being "realized". He said that this meant you understood your true place in the creation in relationship to it and altered your behavior accordingly. I must say my readings have indicated this to be true as well.
Your words are dead on and well spoken in my opinion. From many of your previous posts I have seen that you possess wisdom somewhat beyond your years.


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3671619 - 01/24/05 10:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

the only ego game I know is thinking one can play it, or in dropping it win.

maybe it is game like in its interactivity, but there is no contest.
it operates like the second hand on a clock, part of a bigger self contained thing.

if it does not sweep there is just a picture of a clock (holding it's breath - or clogged with dust).

letting go of habitual responses is more like steering the sweep of the second hand, or dangling right from it - but it will still tic.

amazingly we can steer our own cow at all.

Oddly we get caught up in the clockwork and think we are outside of it. it can only be tinkered from inside, by adjusting what we are attracted to.

{we can see the short term activity we have (personality traits), but we only change effectively on the long term (not by simply wanting to be differrent and struggling), the rest is just acting, or pretending.}


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3672272 - 01/24/05 02:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you very much for the compliment Huehuecoyotl.  My on-it's-way-to-healthy ego is flattered :laugh: Although, I doubt I posess any wisdom at all , or that my age influences my ideas all that much. I'm just someone who tries to think things through on my own, and learn from experience... of which I have practically none.  I've also become pretty disenchanted with what I see going on in modern spiritual discourse, so I try to challenge what issues I have with it.

I think that when people are obsessed with the concept of ego loss they're trying to jump to what they think is the destination without even engaging in the journey, or being excited by the journey. I personally am not really too worried about where I end up so long as I have interesting travels, and follow my instincts.


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Re: Dropping the ego game. [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #3673884 - 01/24/05 09:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I read this thread and saw many conflicting ideas. It occurs to me that one of the following must be true. 1) Everyone in this thread, except for one person (read "you") has the wrong impression about ego, and if/how it can be lost 2) Everyone in this thread is wrong.


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