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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: kadakuda]
    #3156539 - 09/20/04 03:34 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

*bump*
I searched and found this topic. I know its not in discussion at the moment, but I have a question concerning the destillation.
I bought two kits to make my own absinth, but they havent arrived yet. Id like to know if destillation is necessary at the end. I was planning to use vodka and not destill.
My questions are now as follows:
- Is it really adviced to use higher percent alcohol (i.e the american "everclear", which I cant get) in regard to the psychadelic effects of the final product?

- If destillation is adviced, how can I do this in a kitchen, without a pressure cooker or destillation aparatus?

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: kadakuda]
    #3157561 - 09/20/04 07:57 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

i like to get absinthe from www.eabsinthe.com and seep my own wormwood for 7 -10 days in 85-95 degrees in total darkness, shaking once or twice daily. taste good, and kicks your ass to the floor. good shit.. has always worked for me.

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #3171422 - 09/23/04 06:40 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

>>I bought two kits to make my own absinth, but they havent arrived yet. Id like to know if destillation is necessary at the end. I was planning to use vodka and not destill.

Not necessary, but it doesn't taste to appetizing. American everclear makes it a little better, but it's stlil bad. Distilling is the way to go. Depending on who makes your kits the use of certain anisette flavoring agents sometimes contributes to the putrid taste.

>> If destillation is adviced, how can I do this in a kitchen, without a pressure cooker or destillation aparatus

You don't.

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: neuro]
    #3173857 - 09/24/04 05:41 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

thanks, hat was very consice and exactly the info i needed!


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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: neuro]
    #3255136 - 10/20/04 07:08 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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neuro said:
Traditional Absinthe comes in 170 proof bottles. It's not drank at 170 proof though as it's preparation involves diluting it out with water.




Yes, the mix with water creates an opaque green called a 'louche' as the essential oils precipitate out of the alcohol solution. Real absinthe was steeped then distilled. Sort of an alcohol/steam distillation combined. I'd like to get the glass to try this. Or do the PC, copper tubing, ice bucket thang. 8-) It's cool to hear some experience reports for the real thing. This is on my future project list.


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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: neuro]
    #3257339 - 10/20/04 05:22 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Steeping wormwood in vodka will not release the essential oils from the wormwood. You need an alcohol of at least 75% to release the oils and put them in solution. Everclear or Golden Grain will release the oils, being 95% alcohol, however these are grain alcohols. Real absinthe is made with grape alcohol, by this I mean either brandy or cognac, distilled twice to reach 85%. Distillation is the only recourse there is to make absinthe. Steeping wormwood and other herbs in vodka or everclear is not absinthe, beleive me I know, I've been distilling absinthe for seven years. Also a traditional absinthe only uses six herbs: wormwood, anise, and fennel for the distillation, and roman wormwood, hyssop, and lemon balm for the coloring.

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: neuro]
    #3656704 - 01/20/05 11:51 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Okay, as promised, but real late. Is the first of two batches.



This was made by steeping the wormwood in everclear, then adding the flavoring herbs. I then distilled the batch and added some extra wormwood and flavoring herbs for color and a bit more taste.

I think the flavoring herb content could be adjusted a little as it is strongly spicey and tends to overpower the anise flavor. A little star pod anise goes a long way, along with coriander, but I'm not sure If i used coriander in this batch or not. I forgot to take notes.

The drink itself was prepared in a 5:1 water to absinthe pictured above ratio with a slotted spoon and some sugar.

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: neuro]
    #3656757 - 01/21/05 12:00 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)



and does yours change color when added to water?

and so if you could make a still you could make true absinthe, correct.?
how is a fractional still different than a normal still? in that can it be made at home?
cause i have great plans and resources on how to make stills. if anyone is interested.

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: zerozero]
    #3656862 - 01/21/05 12:24 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, it gets cloudy when the water is added.

It's true absinthe yes and no. True absinthe as noted before is made with grape alcohol, brandy, or cognac.

Simple distillation (the kind i did) is best used when one component of a liquid mixture is less than 10% and the BP between the 2 liquids is large.

In my case i used everclear which is 95% EtOH and 5% H2O, the boiling point of EtOH is 78.3C and H2O is 100C.

Fractional Distillation is carried out when the difference in BP is small and the composition of both components of the liquid mixture is substantial.

Fractional distillation works as follows (taken from Williamson, "Organic Experiments")

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Perhaps the easiest to understand is the bubble plate column used to distill crude oil fractionally. These columns dominate the skyline of oil refineries, some being 150ft high and capable of distilling 200k barrels of crude oil per day. The crude oil enters the column as hot vapor. Some of this vapor with high-boiling components condenses on one of the plates. The more volatile substances travel through the bubble cap to the next higher plate where some of the less-volatile components condense. As high-boiling liquid material accumulates on a plate it descends through the overflow pipe to the next lower plate and vapor rises through the bubble cap to the next higher plate. The temrperature of the vapor that is rising through a cap is above the boiling point of the liquid on that plate. As bubbling takes place, heat is exchanged, and the less volatile components on the plate vaporize and go ont ot he next plate. The composition of the liquid on a plate is the same as that of the vapor coming from the plate below. So on each plate a simple distillation takes place. At equilibrium, vapor containing low-boiling material is ascending, and high boiling liquid is descending through the column.





If that's sorta hard to get, I can draw a picture and break it down more, but I'm tired and just wanted to type an excerpt. If it's hard to grasp I can clarify tomorrow (or rather later today).

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: neuro]
    #3656904 - 01/21/05 12:33 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

i get's it.
could one build a fractional still??
seems do-able.

found these while looking http://www.homedistiller.org/photos-sold.htmhttp://www.homedistiller.org/photos-sold.htm

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: neuro]
    #3656930 - 01/21/05 12:41 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

It's true absinthe yes and no. True absinthe as noted before is made with grape alcohol, brandy, or cognac.

from spirit of wine so if you buy a still or make one you can get or make or buy 10 litres of wine and put it through the still but be sure to take out the 1st 100mls - 200mls. no need to worry about buying O.P. grape alcohol, brandy or cognac.

will stilling it destroy any or much of the psychoactive properties? or leave behind carcinogens?


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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: spudamore]
    #3657605 - 01/21/05 07:53 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

>>will stilling it destroy any or much of the psychoactive properties? or leave behind carcinogens?

I don't know for sure, I'd have to guess it leaves behind some carcinogens but that doesn't guarantee that some aren't carried through like the thujone is as it is volatilized.

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: neuro]
    #3664837 - 01/22/05 10:00 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

If everyone will recall, I stated a while ago that I'd work on an experiment to see when the best time to distill in the process of absinthe making will be to produce the best tasting product, with the use of everclear.



This photo is of Absinthe that was made by first macerating wormwood in everclear, straining and adding the flavoring herbs for an additional weeks worth of maceration. After that, the resulting liquid was distilled and a little wormwood plus flavoring herbs were again added for color. Resulting in the picture seen above.


Yesterday I distilled a wormwood containing everclear liquid only. And got results pictured in the thread titled: Simple Distillation Pictorial. The collected distillate then was added to another wine bottle containing the characteristic anisette flavoring herbs.

Below are the herbs added to the wine bottle.



Here is the disillate:



Here is the distillate added to the flavoring herbs, right after it was collected:


After a day it looks like this and probably won't look much different as time goes on:

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: neuro]
    #3685551 - 01/26/05 08:46 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I am very familiar with this process, and posted on another thread here some time ago.
Absinthe must be distilled, there is no way around that.
The dissolved plant material WILL make you puke.
Best still: Look for an old Silex coffee maker. There are two types; one with a narrow neck, and the other with a larger neck. Get the small-necked version. Go to Ebay if you've never seen one before. They can be had at flea markets (or Ebay) for about $5-10. There are two bowls, one on top of the other. Take the top bowl off and pull the rubber grommet/seal from around the stem (you may have to break the glass for this.) Go to Home Depot and get a brass three-way junction block in the plumbing section. Find the right nipple to adapt the bottom hole to the rubber insert inside the neck of the coffee bowl. The second hole points sideways, and here you will put a compression fitting to attach your 3/8" tubing. Put a plu on the top hole. This is for filling and taking temp readings. Get a powerful electric hotplate. Run the tubing across and wrap it into a coil. This will be placed inside a plastic box, which will be filled with water. The copper tube will run out of the side/bottom of the box (use a rubber grommet to seal.)
And, that's basically it.
Distilling tips:
1) Alcohol distillation is a Felony--even if you're simply extracting the essential oil of a plant, so beware.
2) Never add water. Always distill from as pure alcohol as possible.
Distil 80-proof to 160-180 proof for your extraction if Everclear is unavailable.
3) Take samples of distillate. Add a few drops of water to distillate: if a brief, cloudy effect occurs, then, you know you are extracting oil, and everything's OK.
4) If you just want to get buzzed, forget all the other herbs which go into it, and just make a wormwood distillate. Mix distillate with water, 1:2. Flavor afterwards. This is much easier, and cheaper. Make a tea out of the 2-parts water and add the 1-part distillate to it, if you like. Anise flavoring available at super market.
5) Do not pulverize plant material, as this makes filtration difficult.
6) Distill twice: it makes a difference.
7) Be careful drinking it the first time. It reacts differently that booze. It will not put you down, like booze, either. The more you drink, the longer you stay awake. You can get REALLY zonked on this stuff, so, take it easy to start.
8) Do not drink undistilled extraction. It WILL make you sick.
Glad to answer any questions.

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: Knight_Templar]
    #3685655 - 01/26/05 09:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

there are countries that allow alcohol distillation.
you can add water to your alcohol it doesn't make a difference.
you can pulverise plant material its not that hard to filter out..

i am getting my still this coming teusday so will post some pics then.


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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: spudamore]
    #3689347 - 01/27/05 04:28 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)


Spudamore... have you ever distilled absinthe?

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: Knight_Templar]
    #3689866 - 01/27/05 05:49 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

nope but have made herbal alcohols before. and i have done all of what i had said and it made no difference to how it turned out. so there is no diff.


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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: spudamore]
    #3691102 - 01/27/05 09:32 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

"Herbal alcohol?"
Is that distilled?
How long have you been distilling, if I may ask?

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: neuro]
    #3691179 - 01/27/05 09:41 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

So the second test batch was finished. I'll have to run some taste tests with some people to come up with some results. But for now here's some absinthoporn.




I don't have any sugar cubes so I added a little bit of water to some sugar to congeal it up a little and keep it from sliding through the spoon.



It louched




And just cause I thought this would be a good picture.

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Re: Makin' Absinthe [Re: Knight_Templar]
    #3691427 - 01/27/05 10:15 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

How long have you been distilling, if I may ask?

yes it distilled and have been distilling for the past 5 years till recently, gave my still away and upgrading to a better, bigger still.


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