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Offlinelonestar2004
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Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran.
    #3653928 - 01/20/05 04:38 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1106191077589

Vice President Dick Cheney said Israel may decide to act first against Iran to Eliminate the possibility of a nuclear threat.


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3653974 - 01/20/05 04:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i wonder if we will help our ally militarily?


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: SWEDEN]
    #3654037 - 01/20/05 04:56 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

what a fucking mess. when Cheney makes comments like that it concerns me.


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3654116 - 01/20/05 05:14 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Cheney is pissed at Israel because he wants the USA to take out Iran.


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: Swami]
    #3654204 - 01/20/05 05:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Cheney is pissed at Israel because he wants the USA to take out Iran.




lol


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: Swami]
    #3654224 - 01/20/05 05:37 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Swami said:
Cheney is pissed at Israel because he wants the USA to take out Iran.




Ok


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: Swami]
    #3654367 - 01/20/05 06:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know why he'd be pissed off that someone is going to do our dirty work for us.







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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: Learyfan]
    #3655361 - 01/20/05 09:19 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Learyfan said:
I don't know why he'd be pissed off that someone is going to do our dirty work for us.










Please show me one source where Bush said "Saddam is an Imminent threat". Seriously, you can't do it.


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #3655467 - 01/20/05 09:38 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

blacksabbathrulz said:
Quote:

Learyfan said:
I don't know why he'd be pissed off that someone is going to do our dirty work for us.










Please show me one source where Bush said "Saddam is an Imminent threat". Seriously, you can't do it.




http://bushwatch.org/wmd.htm

Quote:

Donald Rumsfeld said: "'Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent-- that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons.' Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02"




Many more similar quotes available in the link. Enough for any reasonable person to conclude that the Bush administration sold the threat from Iraq as "imminent" to the American public. Not all of us bought it then and we are (gladly) proven correct now.


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: unbeliever]
    #3655810 - 01/20/05 10:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

unbeliever said:
Quote:

blacksabbathrulz said:
Quote:

Learyfan said:
I don't know why he'd be pissed off that someone is going to do our dirty work for us.










Please show me one source where Bush said "Saddam is an Imminent threat". Seriously, you can't do it.




http://bushwatch.org/wmd.htm

Quote:

Donald Rumsfeld said: "'Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent-- that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons.' Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02"




Many more similar quotes available in the link. Enough for any reasonable person to conclude that the Bush administration sold the threat from Iraq as "imminent" to the American public. Not all of us bought it then and we are (gladly) proven correct now.




Again, please show me where Bush said Iraq was an imminent threat.


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #3655863 - 01/20/05 11:03 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

blacksabbathrulz said:
Quote:

unbeliever said:
Quote:

blacksabbathrulz said:
Quote:

Learyfan said:
I don't know why he'd be pissed off that someone is going to do our dirty work for us.










Please show me one source where Bush said "Saddam is an Imminent threat". Seriously, you can't do it.




http://bushwatch.org/wmd.htm

Quote:

Donald Rumsfeld said: "'Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent-- that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons.' Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02"




Many more similar quotes available in the link. Enough for any reasonable person to conclude that the Bush administration sold the threat from Iraq as "imminent" to the American public. Not all of us bought it then and we are (gladly) proven correct now.




Again, please show me where Bush said Iraq was an imminent threat.




I don't fight straw man battles, but thanks anyway. But you go ahead and keep on clinging to that little crack of pedantry if it lets you pretend all is well with the world.


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: unbeliever]
    #3655873 - 01/20/05 11:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

unbeliever said:
I don't fight straw man battles, but thanks anyway. But you go ahead and keep on clinging to that little crack of pedantry if it lets you pretend all is well with the world.





Have you lost your mind? It was a simple question and had nothing to do with straw men.....

I actually thought bush did say imminent threat in one of his speeches, maybe i was wrong.


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #3655882 - 01/20/05 11:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Seriously man, what's the difference whether Bush or whether one of his cabinet member says the information? Whether it's a president or a vice-president of a company that says a rival company is putting cyanide in their product when they really aren't, it reflects on the company, as they are the ones leading it. As Rumsfeld was personally chosen by Bush to be part of his cabinet and to help him with his affairs, Rumsfeld saying that Iraq is an imminent danger is the same as Bush saying Iraq is an imminent danger.


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: unbeliever]
    #3655929 - 01/20/05 11:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

unbeliever said:
Quote:

blacksabbathrulz said:
Quote:

unbeliever said:
Quote:

blacksabbathrulz said:
Quote:

Learyfan said:
I don't know why he'd be pissed off that someone is going to do our dirty work for us.










Please show me one source where Bush said "Saddam is an Imminent threat". Seriously, you can't do it.




http://bushwatch.org/wmd.htm

Quote:

Donald Rumsfeld said: "'Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent-- that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons.' Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02"




Many more similar quotes available in the link. Enough for any reasonable person to conclude that the Bush administration sold the threat from Iraq as "imminent" to the American public. Not all of us bought it then and we are (gladly) proven correct now.




Again, please show me where Bush said Iraq was an imminent threat.




I don't fight straw man battles, but thanks anyway. But you go ahead and keep on clinging to that little crack of pedantry if it lets you pretend all is well with the world.




Straw man battles? Have you gone insane? When did I say anything about pretending all is well with world? Please show me a source where I said that. Or wait, I guess since you said that, and you are a member of the shroomery it's all the same.


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #3655942 - 01/20/05 11:18 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

President Bush Said:

Some have said we must not act UNTIL the threat is imminent.


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: Ravus]
    #3655946 - 01/20/05 11:19 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Ravus said:
Seriously man, what's the difference whether Bush or whether one of his cabinet member says the information? Whether it's a president or a vice-president of a company that says a rival company is putting cyanide in their product when they really aren't, it reflects on the company, as they are the ones leading it. As Rumsfeld was personally chosen by Bush to be part of his cabinet and to help him with his affairs, Rumsfeld saying that Iraq is an imminent danger is the same as Bush saying Iraq is an imminent danger.




That my friend, is what is called a logical fallicy.


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: Ravus]
    #3655957 - 01/20/05 11:22 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

And just to point out the obvious, you will note that in the supplied quote even Rumsfeld doesn't say the threat is imminent.


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #3655974 - 01/20/05 11:28 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

"I believe to this day that it (Iraq) was an urgent threat. This could not go on and we are safer as a result because today Iraq is no longer going to be a state of weapons of mass destruction concern."
?Condoleezza Rice, National Security Adviser, Mar. 14, 2004

"Saddam Hussein and his weapons are a direct threat to this country, to our people and to all free people."
?George W. Bush, Mar. 6, 2003

"The danger to America from the Iraqi regime is grave and growing. The regime is guilty of beginning two wars. It has a horrible history of striking without warning. ... Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."
?George W. Bush, Oct. 5, 2002

"Within a week, or a month, Saddam could give his WMD to al-Qaeda."
-Donald Rumsfeld, November 2002

"With nuclear arms or a full arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, Saddam Hussein could resume his ambitions of conquest in the Middle East and create deadly havoc in that region. And this Congress and the America people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own."
-George Bush

"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option."
-George Bush


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: Phred]
    #3655987 - 01/20/05 11:31 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

"we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons."

What is this, double-speak? Rumsfeld said that Iraq has weapons that pose an immediate threat. Imminent is just a less-used synonym to immediate

"im?mi?nent Listen: [ m-nnt ]
adj.

About to occur; impending"

"im?me?di?ate Listen: [ -md-t ]
adj.

Close at hand; near"


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Re: Cheney voices concern that Isreal may attack Iran. [Re: Ravus]
    #3656005 - 01/20/05 11:34 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Im still waiting for a quote from Bush saying Iraq was an imminent threat.


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