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Forum of the living dead
    #3652353 - 01/20/05 07:07 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Im leaving this forum because of how dead it is spiritually, i recently posted a post on Simple Meditation Technique but only had 1 PM from a  practitioner concerning there expereince with actually using the technique. I would expect more people to want to use such a simple mediation technique in a forum about S&P.

Most people here i feel are addcited to intellectual masturbation and although have good hearts and good intentions are flying in the wrong direction. This is why i think this forum has become so negative, people need to be shot down if there flying in the wrong direction, and people have become very good at doing that, it just seems like leaving is the lesson to by learnt here!

I know it seems like im making a gross generalisation, but who here actaully practices what they preach? It feels very cold and lonley in a forum where everyone is talking about their mystical experiences but most are not willing to practice the fundamentals to any spiritual path.

So i am off to do some practice and get on with life. If anyone actaully practices the simple mediattion technique and has some questions relating to their practice PM me today, tomorrow, or the day after to recieve my email address. Also anyone who has PM'd me in the past about personal matters and freindship can PM me for my email if they wish.

I thank you all for clarifying some inteluctual points and allowing me the space and freedom to sharpen my mind and open my heart. Some of you have been quite helpful, and to those who are struggling with problems i wish you all the best and hope that you find your way.

Peace & Respect  :cool:


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3652717 - 01/20/05 10:14 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Well, it's sad to see you go. I do agree with some of your points, but remember that although meditation is present on any spiritual path, not all spiritual paths see it as "fundamental", some see it as complementary.
Anyway, i'm not trying to justify the lack of feedback or anything, like you explained, that is a fact.

Peace&Respect :smile:

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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: MAIA]
    #3652759 - 01/20/05 10:22 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I must admit you have been a huge challenge, go in peace and return if it fits.

yours may be the 3rd dramatic exit declaration this week.

maybe this really is the most bodhisattva-like thing you can do for yourself.

anyway try to keep things open-ended, the labels are just for convenience.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: MAIA]
    #3652814 - 01/20/05 10:31 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Ypp i agree meditation is not fundamental to the spiritual path, but correct view of the spiritual path is absolutley fundamental to the spiritual path, and i see little evidence of that on this forum.

Most seem to have worked in there own ideas, philosophies and delusions into the mix turning something that was fundamentally pure into a pile of shit!

They then ignorantly feed this shit to open minded people who are seeking a spiritual path, filling them with shit who then perpetuate the cylce of bullshit.

I thank all the people who shoot down such wrong directionaly flying birds and attempt to correct their views, whilst helping open minded people to come to a true path, you are the true spiritual warriors and am glad you are here to do so.

Unfortunatley i have other matters in my life that require my urgent attention, so my time here is on hold, i may well come back if only to guide the truth seekers through the valley of darkness which is this forum.

Peace & Respect to everyone!

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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3652833 - 01/20/05 10:41 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

that's nice


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3652879 - 01/20/05 11:00 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

this forum needs more people like you.then maybe people could be spiritualy stimulated.

your post about the simple meditation is the best post ive seen here out of the short time ive been coming.and if i were to go back into the archives i probably wouldnt find much of anything better.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3652880 - 01/20/05 11:00 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Sinbad uses the meditation technique.
It works for Sinbad.
Therefor the meditation technique works for everyone.

Basically what you are saying is ... if we don't use YOUR meditation technique we are not spiritual enough for you.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #3652888 - 01/20/05 11:03 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

its just a simple meditation.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #3652900 - 01/20/05 11:09 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Please could you bother to read my posts properly! I said that meditation isnt fundamental to the spiritual path, but correct view of the spiritual path is regardless of what terminlogy you use whether christian, buddhist, muslim it doesnt matter, the spiritual path will always be the path of truth! The truth exposes lies like a spotlight shining directly on a hefty pile of shit!


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3652930 - 01/20/05 11:21 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Can you tell us your "correct view of the spiritual path"?


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3652934 - 01/20/05 11:22 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Some simple meditation will calm you !


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the temptation of the buddha [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #3652958 - 01/20/05 11:36 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

hopefully this will avoid increase of frustration due to mara.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: ]
    #3652999 - 01/20/05 11:51 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

When one is seeking the spiritual path its usually our of some sense that something is missing from ones life, a void that needs to be filled, some desire to end suffering.

Wisdom and compassion are essential for establishing a correct view of the spiritual path. If one has wisdom but lacks compassion and vice verser then this is like flying with only one wing. The correct view is to fly with both wings.

Wisdom and compassion are the fundamental aspects of all spiritual paths. One is seeking to free oneself and others from the condition of suffering, but how can this be done. When one observes oneself they discover that they create most of there problems for themselves and that the root of suffering is selfishness. Then the devotee of whatever tradition or no tradition at all uses the methods and skill-full means necessary to overcome obstacles to realization of Buddha nature, god, divine grace <-----(add yours here). There are many skill-full means for overcoming such obstacles such as prayer, chanting, drumming, dancing, meditation, or just direct observation of ones mind.

Of course their are many spiritual paths, each emphasizing there own techniques and skillful means, but essentially it all boils down to wisdom and compassion which are two sides of the same coin and the essence of the individual.

All experiences that arise on the spiritual path whether good, bad, profound, or profoundly mundane, are just experiences and are just manifestations of the essence of the individual.

The source of all goodness comes from compassion, openness, kindness and equanimity. The spiritual path is not religion, religions have their own traditions ,politics,and beliefs, but at the beating heart of religion lies the state of wisdom & compassion.

Their are saints talked about in all religions and traditions that identify with such qualities.

So this is my view of the spiritual path in a very simple, open sense.

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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #3653033 - 01/20/05 12:02 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Why is it that you think i am not calm, both you and redgreenvines have made such remarks, I wonder if you are just seeing you own reflection and giving yourself some heartfelt advice?


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3653035 - 01/20/05 12:03 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

There is a deep dark cave with hundreds of prisoners living in it. They have been raised there since they where born. They do not believe there is anything other than the dark cave. You come upon this cave and find them all inside and tell them you know the way out. At first... they do not believe you. They have no reason to believe you... they have never been outside the cave... why should they believe something else exists. They are actually hostile, they want you to leave, they are negative and dark from being in the cave so damn long.

Do you leave them?


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #3653041 - 01/20/05 12:04 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Please could you bother to read my posts properly(((!))) I said that meditation isnt fundamental to the spiritual path, but correct view of the spiritual path is regardless of what terminlogy you use whether christian, buddhist, muslim it doesnt matter, the spiritual path will always be the path of truth(((!))) The truth exposes lies like a spotlight shining directly on a hefty pile of shit(((! )))

Why would I think you where calm when typing this?


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #3653057 - 01/20/05 12:11 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

These are exclamation marks and not indications of emotional anxiety. They are used to emphasise points, and cannot be read to judge someones state of mind.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3653063 - 01/20/05 12:14 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I always thought that the image below was ready for blast off.



maybe it depicts a self fullfilling prophet

my mother would say
"EAT SOMETHING"


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #3653077 - 01/20/05 12:20 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

No you dont leave them for good, but i intend to come back with a skeleton key to release all cages. At the moment there are things in my life that need my immediate and undivided attention, in the next few days i am going to be dealing with alot of relative things in my life. Then i am in solitary retreat, perhaps after this i will have more patients and compassion, i need to recharge my spiritual batteries!

Until then adious, goodbeye, and godbless!


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3653083 - 01/20/05 12:22 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

ex?cla?ma?tion

1. An abrupt, forceful utterance.
2. An outcry, as of protest.
3. Grammar. An interjection.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3653093 - 01/20/05 12:25 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Sinbad said:
No you dont leave them for good, but i intend to come back with a skeleton key to release all cages. At the moment there are things in my life that need my immediate and undivided attention, in the next few days i am going to be dealing with alot of relative things in my life. Then i am in solitary retreat, perhaps after this i will have more patients and compassion, i need to recharge my spiritual
batteries!


Until then adious, goodbeye, and godbless!




Thats a much more positive leaving note.

Safe travels  :thumbup:


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #3653102 - 01/20/05 12:30 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

None of them imply lack of calm. We can be calm and clear yet wrothfully protest or make a forceful utterance. Wisdom has no limitations.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3653112 - 01/20/05 12:33 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

eat something


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3653325 - 01/20/05 01:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

i think you are just butt-hurt.and in a state of confusion. self pity, pity party, either way you end up all emotional and alone. i think you are just as confused as those whom you think are confused,and i dont think its a very wise decision to go on your quest for the truth with sand in the vagina,especially when no one here wants to blow bubbles up your  ass. :ooo: :thumbup::heart::stoned:
gotta play the victim :jesus: some one hast to...might as well be you.... and hey, its not you personally that didnt get the responses you would've liked but, maybe not everyone here thinks meditation is key. and ya.. i do incorporate my own ideas into my own veiw of what "I" "THINK" is the way..whats wrong with that? and if this upsets you  because i dont share the same exact veiws as you then farewell my friend!:bye: it's going to be sad to see you leave.. i've enjoyed some of your post.


eat something


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: uriahchase]
    #3653552 - 01/20/05 02:52 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Huh? I am in no way playing the victim, and have no idea where you got this from? You obviously have not read many of my posts! I was never brought up in a pseudo christian environment therefore have no affinity for pity, or the victim mentality.

I did expect more responses to my post on meditation, but was neither upset nor disappointed by the lack of response, more surprised that not many people found it a useful enough tool to use and apply!

Its not that people have different views that's the problem, its only when ignorant people start passing off fallacies of there own creation as fact onto the impressionable that i get concerned and start to ask questions.

You are entitled to think what you like about me, but know this, an imperfect teacher can still give out a perfect teaching. So even if in your eyes I'm just as confused as the rest, which lets face it, is more than likely true, then disregard that and look at what Ive taught and said, test it out, and see if its true, instead of instantly judging and remaining in ignorance of the facts.

I'm sure its more than likely i have offended you by my previous post on people who propagate the cycle of shit, but why did this offense take place, could it be that your belly is full of shit, because you have erroneously swallowed things you thought were true? But you never tested out to see for sure?

I have never asked anyone to share my view or blindly accept it as fact. The only food i eat is that which has been thoroughly tested  and found clear of any shit. I only eat the pure foods of the heavens.  :grin:


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3653584 - 01/20/05 03:03 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

This is why i think this forum has become so negative

Good lord, you haven't even been here a month! It went from bad to good in that span of time? I haven't noticed any sea change here. And I would note that you have introduced your own share of negativity. Your infamous post where you pretended to "openly urinate in [Markos] face" comes to mind. That's not a very positive way to treat a respected member!

only had 1 PM from a practitioner

Translation: I haven't had people falling all over themselves to stroke my ego and make me feel important.

It does sound like you have some knowledge to share, but perhaps there are reasons for the lack of response other than the people here are woefully inadequate spiritually. Maybe you should look to yourself and how you are presenting these wonderful ideas before issuing a blanket condemnation of this forum. I have indeed seen some good information in your posts. I have also noticed a condescending tone along with that information.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: zorbman]
    #3653624 - 01/20/05 03:17 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

arrogance is usually avoided on 'spiritual paths'


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: zorbman]
    #3653663 - 01/20/05 03:31 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

A month is long enough for me to see the quality and accruacy of the infomration people are presenting here as well as the genral overtone and goings on in this forum.

If you read the entire post again i think you'll find an undertone of humour not seriousness involved. You seem to be reading between the lines and interpreting my humour and swift discrimination as disrespectful, negative and condecending, which is the exact opposite of my intention when posting. Have you considered that its just your projection and not my intention?

Maybe your being disrespectful by judging my character, without due cause? As i have stated in my last post, i wast looking for ego gratifcation, i only wished to help and support anyone interested in meditation. The lack of response i attribute to people not wanting to practice, if they see fault in my character or the style of my posting, that should'nt effect there desire to practice a perfectly valid, simple method if they are serious about mediatation!

As i have said in previous posts i wasnt here to stroke peoples ego's or live up to there preconcieved ideas of how i should appear to them. What ones view is whether positive or negative is entirley up to the individual, in other words even a god or the buddha can be percieved in infinte ways by the views of infinte beings.

Some people might percieve negativly, some positively, some neutrally but i can assure you that either views bare very little resemblence to how that being really is.

So all i have ever asked of anyone interested in the spiritual path, is to examine and test any teaching you come accross that you might like to practice beforehand becuase there is alot of BS out there just waiting to be swallowed! If you disagree with this post, then test it out examine it first before disgarding it as BS. You might gain some insight, or at very least discover the bullshit!  :grin:


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: deff]
    #3653712 - 01/20/05 03:46 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Arrogance transforms into the wisdom of eqinimity. Emotions arent avoided!


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3653841 - 01/20/05 04:22 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Forum of the living dead
Violation #1

You obviously have not read many of my posts!
Violation #2

my previous post on people who propagate the cycle of shit
Violation #3

could it be that your belly is full of shit
Violation #4

its only when ignorant people start passing off fallacies of there own creation as fact
Violation #5

Quickly, ban him BEFORE he leaves.  :cool:


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3653964 - 01/20/05 04:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

A month is long enough

That would make sense if you had said the forum "is" negative, but what you stated was "this forum has become negative". I don't think being here only a few short weeks gives one any indication of a trend. That is just too small of a sample time. For a practitioner of meditation I would expect a little more patience before making such a sweeping indictment.

I think you are in denial of some of your negativity. When confronted with it you suggest people are "projecting" their own negativity onto you- a very convenient way of avoiding recognition of your own attitude while simultaneously preserving your perceived superior role as a self-appointed guru.

Some people might percieve negativly, some positively, some neutrally

Sinbad to Markos: I openly urinate in your face!

What kind of mental gymnastics can you perform to allow me to perceive this as anything other than negative?


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: zorbman]
    #3654001 - 01/20/05 04:51 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

That would make sense if you had said the forum "is" negative, but what you stated was "this forum has become negative".

Look what was added to the S&P equation in the last month and what do you get?


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3654008 - 01/20/05 04:52 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

A month is long enough to make a full and solid analysis of this forum? This forum is dead spiritually because only one person responded to your thread? If you do a search there's been about 5000 meditation threads in the past years.

Shit man.. I've been here for 5 years and it's still changing all the time. I can't define this place.

Maybe you need to learn another basic spiritual lesson... patience and humility.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: MAIA]
    #3654031 - 01/20/05 04:55 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

MAIA said:
Well, it's sad to see you go. I do agree with some of your points, but remember that although meditation is present on any spiritual path, not all spiritual paths see it as "fundamental", some see it as complementary.
Anyway, i'm not trying to justify the lack of feedback or anything, like you explained, that is a fact.

Peace&Respect :smile:

MAIA




Indeed. And not everyone is going to believe in the same things you do, Sinbad. You're going to find this sort of "negativity" where ever you go...


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Shroomism]
    #3654041 - 01/20/05 04:57 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Hey - that's a great idea! Let's start a Patience and Humility forum.

BTW, I can wait on that idea and I will understand if you do not think it that great...


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Swami]
    #3654051 - 01/20/05 04:59 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Shroomism]
    #3654336 - 01/20/05 05:58 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Nope my assesnment that this forum is spiritually dead doesnt originate from my mediation post, it is based on an accumilation of data from over this past month.

Patience and humility is one thing, but wasting my time on intellectual indulgences with people who are only interested in such pursuits is frivilous and in contraction to my nature.

Im not making a definition of this place, im only going by my experience over this past month, im sure people come and go from this place and not all are just interested in discussing, debating, and anazlysisng words, scriptures and philiosphical topic, and are actually interested in getting down and dirty with the fundamental aspects of the spiritual path, but from my experience these people arew few and far between, my post on the simple mediation technique was just a final confirmation of this fact, not the main contribution to this assessment.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: zorbman]
    #3654474 - 01/20/05 06:28 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

As for the comment to Markos, I feel no need to justify my actions. If people find benefit in some of my posts then that's good because i have poured much of my knowledge into them for the benefit of others,any nit picking and finger pointing is not at all necessary as these will most certainly affect the mind in a negative way. I'm sure i could find something negative to say about some of your posts as well, but i choose not too out of respect for you and me!

Of course i am only human, and cannot deny the negative aspects of my condition, i am continually working to transform these obstacles onto the path. I have never claimed to be a guru, nor do i consider myself as such! I have always said that i am forever beginner on the path. I am only human like yourself, so where indeed is your humanity and respect?

So enough with the :drama:

I am offline from now until whenever, and will return with my spiritual batteries fully recharged! I want to add one last comment especially for redgreenvines.

Remember Association is Extra!  :smile: :laugh: :wink:

Good luck to everyone!


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3654513 - 01/20/05 06:37 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

thanks buddy
nice not to be a spiritual snob
eat something.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Sinbad]
    #3654762 - 01/20/05 07:33 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

What a shamelessly egotistical remark. Your leaving because no one responded to a post you made on how to meditate? This info is available in any decent book on the subject...why should one suddenly think they have struck gold after reading it here? Maybe instead of getting pissed you should work on your content a bit.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Shroomism]
    #3654782 - 01/20/05 07:36 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I agree in full.


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Re: Forum of the living dead [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3656882 - 01/21/05 02:27 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Sinbad, your meditation technique was good. Some people have a method they like better. What's all the fuss and why do you need to leave?


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