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Offlinephantasm
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surface area VS depth
    #3650405 - 01/19/05 10:00 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i was wondering which produce more mushroom weight a higher surface area or larger depth

i.e. if i have a quart of WBS and i put it in a 4x4 container will it produce more shroom weight than if i placed it in a 4x8 container the 4x8 will have more surface area but only 1/2 the depth and the 4x4 will have more depth but only 1/2 the surface area

-mike

editted for clarification: not per mushroom but per flush weight


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: phantasm]
    #3650470 - 01/19/05 10:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

4x4
depth = bigger shrooms
more mycelium to back them up

if you want to get the most out of your substrate , mix it 2 parts substrate 1 part field capacity verm. before you case.


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: fresh313]
    #3650479 - 01/19/05 10:18 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

right but there would be less of them and thus that did not answer my question because 20 mediums could = 4 large mushrooms and more surface area will surely produce more mushrooms


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: phantasm]
    #3650501 - 01/19/05 10:23 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i thought you meant weight per single mushroom

a depth of 2-3 inches will work best


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: fresh313]
    #3650667 - 01/19/05 11:00 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

has anyone tried a huge bulk grow?
like filling up one of those plastic kiddie pools with straw and manure and then case it?
or maybe a small pool in your backyard?


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: yoshikuni]
    #3650809 - 01/19/05 11:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

LOL a small kiddy pool full of mushies! now that would be a sight to see! :crazy2: :crazy2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :samurai:


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: smoorhsmmm]
    #3650823 - 01/19/05 11:37 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

hahahahahha maybe ill try it in the summer its to damn cold right now but that sounds fun im gonna see what i can start setting up i think i would rather contruct something that size out of pvc rather than a kiddie pool but it would not be the same

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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: yoshikuni]
    #3651927 - 01/20/05 04:24 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

yoshikuni said:
has anyone tried a huge bulk grow?
like filling up one of those plastic kiddie pools with straw and manure and then case it?
or maybe a small pool in your backyard?




People do outdoor beds all the time. Very simple concept. Mini pools, flower beds, holes in the ground ect.

Surface area is better then depth to an extent. 1.5-2 inches is prime. I've done a lot grain everywhere from 1/2"-6" and now I stick with 1.5-2.


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3651945 - 01/20/05 04:28 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

scatmanrav said:
Quote:

yoshikuni said:
has anyone tried a huge bulk grow?
like filling up one of those plastic kiddie pools with straw and manure and then case it?
or maybe a small pool in your backyard?




People do outdoor beds all the time. Very simple concept. Mini pools, flower beds, holes in the ground ect.

Surface area is better then depth to an extent. 1.5-2 inches is prime. I've done a lot grain everywhere from 1/2"-6" and now I stick with 1.5-2.




whats your input on substrate depth concenring poo/straw substrates,
that are being weighted down (compressed) during colonisation?
also 1.5-2 or would you go deeper?
peace ohm :mushroom2:


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: ohmatic]
    #3652057 - 01/20/05 04:52 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

With straw you should go 4-6 inches. Straw actually contains less nutes then grain so you need a little more oomph. It will give you better chances are 2nd and 3rd flushes (definatly easy with a dunk and straw no matter what people say about it). You certainly can do 2-3 inches or less with straw and get good results. I did a few 2.5 inch casings, no smaller, but it produced some nice 5 inch long sturdy shroomies.. Definatly liked the 4-5 inchers though.

More substrate in any case will be better if you have the extra substrate and lack or fruiting space (small chamber or whatever is all you can fit).. Its just in the question of surface area vs depth that I say go minimum depth possible while still being efficent, IMO...1.5-2" for grain and 4-5" for straw.

Poo and poo/straw I havent worked with however Hyphae says 2 inches and these 2 inches of shit is plenty to convince me:


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
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Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3652097 - 01/20/05 05:04 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

hly bloody shit!
ive seen those pics on mycotopia.

that cant be just shit and straw, i cannot believe it!
oh man man man :smile:
peace ohm :mushroom2:


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: ohmatic]
    #3652181 - 01/20/05 05:25 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Well I believe he has his own unique blend of ingredients but basically just shit..


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Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3652460 - 01/20/05 08:33 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Orissa pins on straw/horse poo/spawnmate nocced with milo/millet/cracked corn/corncob/brf. BTW these are a friend of mine not to be confused with me in any way. BTW don't let anyone tell you that you will get mushrooms twice as big at twice as deep of a substrate depth, thats BS as far as total yields (weight) surface area will far out weigh depth period! GL guys


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: hyphae]
    #3652463 - 01/20/05 08:35 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i can just repeat it hyphae, thats fucking OUTSTANDING!
i myself wouldnt know what to do with that many mush,
but anyway its most beautiful to look at :smile:

i have been wondering about trying spawnmate myself,
since they have a production facility in hungary, not too far away from me.

would you consider spawnmate to be really that good?
peace ohm :mushroom2:

*edit*
what about a casing layer on these trays above, is there any?


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Edited by ohmatic (01/20/05 08:44 AM)


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: ohmatic]
    #3652506 - 01/20/05 08:57 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

do most experienced mycophile's here consider wbs to have the same substrate depth/surface area perameters as grains (2" deep, 2:1 wbs:verm sub. mix, and .75" casing layer), or did i just ask an oxymoron?  :confused: :crazy:


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: SoK]
    #3652922 - 01/20/05 11:16 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

oxymoron i think
wbs = grains


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: fresh313]
    #3653064 - 01/20/05 12:14 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think surface area and depth have to do anything with the final weight of the mushrooms. When the myc sucks all the nutes out of the grain it will quit making mushrooms, so it's the weight of the grain, not how you case, what matters. Surface area and depth will determine the size of your mushrooms and the number of flushes though. Also a casing with more surface area will have more area to get contaminated and more water evaporating if your rh isn't high enough.


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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: ohmatic]
    #3653232 - 01/20/05 01:18 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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"The trays were cased with a 60% non-nutritional soiless potting mix(sphagnum peat moss, fine vermiculite, and perlite) and 40% coarse vermiculite with a handful of crushed oyster shell. Moistened, covered and baked in oven till a core temp. of 170F was maintained for 2 hours.
The trays are 11"w x 22''l x 2"d (what is it, 2.54 cm/inch?) seedling flats available at any greenhouse. They are also available at garden supply sections at WalMart and such, but more expensive. Getting them at a greenhouse used is much cheaper. My friend started using them because he works at a greenhouse and they were readily available and free.Some people like to pile the substrate thicker in which case these trays wouldn't work for them, but my friend maintains that a 1 1/2'' to 1 3/4'' substrate depth, properly supplimented, cased 1/4''-1/2" thick, is sufficient for 3-4 flushes of good sized fruits. Plus, if contams were to take hold in one tray, it can be easily removed, saving the remainder of the harvest. They fit nicely three to a shelf on the plastic shelving one sees at Walmart and are easy to handle and care for. Sort of a modular system. He rotates them out when they are spent, replacing them with new trays. The old trays are thrown in his friend's compost pile where they put out sporadic flushes as long as they are kept moist and shaded. The emptied trays are washed with dish soap, rinsed and placed into a chlorine bath where they remain until they are needed again.Just seems to work well for him."




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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: LanceArmstrong]
    #3653253 - 01/20/05 01:23 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

your right lance, i thought he was talking about an individual mushroom.

i know if you have a larger depth you will get less ( # of ) mushrooms but they will be of greater size/weight

im sure it is all the same in the end though.. the total weight combined
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Re: surface area VS depth [Re: fresh313]
    #3653322 - 01/20/05 01:43 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

fresh313 said:
your right lance, i thought he was talking about an individual mushroom.

i know if you have a larger depth you will get less ( # of ) mushrooms but they will be of greater size/weight

im sure it is all the same in the end though.. the total weight combined
:jester:



Not even close.  :wink:


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