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Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics)
    #3646532 - 01/19/05 01:22 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Several of my grain jars(like 14 out of 20) are just not colonizing. These were all inoc'ed 12/19. I was told before that it was most likely because the water content was too high.

How can I prevent this in the future?

Here are a couple of pics of what several of my jars are looking like, its like the grain is creamed or something. Are these jars pretty much screwed?






I also have a few jars that started to colonize, but has halted and the grain has become a noticeably darker brown. Any ideas as to what caused this and is it possible to still get them to colonize?



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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: RootedGrowth]
    #3646536 - 01/19/05 01:24 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

those cream jars are fucking bacteria central. is there a way you can smell them through the filter?


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: derx]
    #3646540 - 01/19/05 01:25 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

looks like a bacteria contamn to me. you may of had too high of a water content.


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: derx]
    #3646542 - 01/19/05 01:26 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

yep definitely bacteria.. give it a whiff.. sour nastiness I bet

as for the darkened.. dunno.


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: derx]
    #3646545 - 01/19/05 01:27 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Im using tyvek.

I can smell an odor when I open the incubator, kinda sour. I have been advised prior that the odor I smell is normal for grain.


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: RootedGrowth]
    #3646549 - 01/19/05 01:28 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

nope that sour smell and that slimy creamy stuff in the jars is bacteria contam.. usually due to too much water like someone said.. chuck em


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: RootedGrowth]
    #3646553 - 01/19/05 01:28 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

So how did the bacteria get into that many jars? I PC'ed em for about 70 minutes at 15 PSI....


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: RootedGrowth]
    #3646554 - 01/19/05 01:28 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

a sour smell is not normal. A pleasant mycelia smell is normal. That sour smell is bacteria infestation. That looks and smells exactly like bacteria. I have no clue to your dark jars.


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: derx]
    #3646557 - 01/19/05 01:29 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Well cool, thanks guys!

Any suggestions for keeping the water content from getting too high?


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: RootedGrowth]
    #3646564 - 01/19/05 01:31 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

good luck, how long did you PC those for?


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: derx]
    #3646569 - 01/19/05 01:32 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

70 minutes at 15 PSI...

Dunno why the water content screwed up in so many jars though.


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: derx]
    #3646570 - 01/19/05 01:32 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

grain should be cooked for at least 90 min. afoaf uses 120 min.


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: buckeye]
    #3646579 - 01/19/05 01:34 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Cooked or PCed?

Mags tek suggested to simmer the grain for an hour?


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: buckeye]
    #3646583 - 01/19/05 01:35 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

70 minutes can do it. I use 90 usually. It's hard to say if the water content was actually off. I'd have to see pics of jars after sterilization. Try PCing longer next time. You are counting the 70 minutes after the weight starts jiggling right?


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: derx]
    #3646589 - 01/19/05 01:36 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

sorry pc'ed


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: RootedGrowth]
    #3646593 - 01/19/05 01:36 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I simmer for 45.. then PC for 90 at 15psi


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: Shroomism]
    #3646596 - 01/19/05 01:37 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I simmer for 45.. then PC for 90 at 15psi


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: derx]
    #3646604 - 01/19/05 01:39 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

oh.. after simmering.. I drain and rinse that slime off it.. drain again.. load it up and PC


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: derx]
    #3646608 - 01/19/05 01:40 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds good guys, thanks a ton!

And yeah, the 70 minutes was after it actually got to the 15 PSI.
Thx again!


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Re: Darkened grain and jars not colonizing :( (pics) [Re: RootedGrowth]
    #3646620 - 01/19/05 01:42 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

ya, if you're having that many jars, follow what I and shroomism do.

soak rye for 12 hours, simmer for appropriate time (45-65 minutes) strain and rinse with a shitload of water. PC jars for 90 minutes. Dont open PC until pressure is at 0psi, it'll mess up water content.


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