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Undiscovered strains?
    #3642151 - 01/18/05 04:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

How many undiscovered strains you guys think are out there? Where would be the best place to find them?


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Re: Undiscovered strains? [Re: kronnyQ]
    #3642177 - 01/18/05 05:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

where is the best place to find undiscovered shit???? In a rain forest with sean conery? at the botton of the ocean??


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Re: Undiscovered strains? [Re: kronnyQ]
    #3642211 - 01/18/05 05:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

you seem to have your terminology mixed up. there are as many different strains of mushrooms in any given species as there are fruitings wich orrigionated from spores.

there are countless [literaly, no play on words intended :smile:] species of mushrooms yet to be discovered. the only way to know how many would be to discover them. there are doubtless a good many species of active [psilocybian] mushrooms yet to be found and there are many wich have been found but not yet published.

as all of the known species of Psilocybe are saprophytes, and many are known or suspected to have mycorizal associations with various plants [grasses, lupines, etc.] anywhere the climate is between equatorial and subarctic and there is decaying organic matter or living plants [read; most of the world] would be as likely to hold an undiscovered/unpublished species as any other.


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Re: Undiscovered strains? [Re: kronnyQ]
    #3642453 - 01/18/05 09:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The hardest part about finding new species is proving that it really is new. All of the existing species or strains would have to be eliminated via keys, microscopes, etc. You would have to have a lot of good resources or a mycologist probably to show credibility of your finds.


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Re: Undiscovered strains? [Re: canid]
    #3642574 - 01/18/05 10:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for clearing up the difference between strains and species concretefeet, I was prepared to do the same thing.

As far as undiscovered species, in the 4 years that I've been here I've seen maybe 5 or 6 possible new species of active mushrooms. Most of them were found either in Georgia or the Pacific northwest.

Here's some pictures of my possible new species:






And a few of LizardKing's new species:






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Re: Undiscovered strains? [Re: Gumby]
    #3642609 - 01/18/05 11:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i've been wondering if the psilocybes being found that look like tall, skinny P. cyanescens in the dune grasses in northern oregon [i found many while azure hunting] could warrant a new taxon. aside from the prominantly undulate margins, they remind me of P. cyanofibrilosa for some reason. they seem to share the same verry specific saprophytic, possibly mycorhizial relationship with the grasses as P. azurescens.


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Re: Undiscovered strains? [Re: canid]
    #3642928 - 01/18/05 12:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Professional mycologists I have spoken with seem to think we know about a third to a half of the total fungal species in the world. Currently that number is about 90,000, so we're talking about a total of somewhere near 200,000 to 250,000. The remaining species are mostly small in size and inhabit small areas of the world.

That, of course, is species, not strains, as concretefeet so ably explained.

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Re: Undiscovered strains? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #3643047 - 01/18/05 01:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Pf always referred to the strains of cubes as various races of cubensis, not strains.

I myself have referred tot hem as strains. I think PF is closer to the truth of this matter by referrring to them as racews. Kinda like trhe3w human race. We are all human but there are different races of mankind just as their are shrooms..

I have five species in my research which are new to science.

One is currently being rewritten. A new species I discovered in Cambodia is actually a species common in Central America and South America and one island in the Caribbean.

Two are from the PNW and three from Thailand and Southeast Asia.

Now there are mopre than 190 known and recorded species of psilocybian mushrooms, of which 120 are Psilocybe species.

However, there are also about 80 non-active Psilocybe species in the world.

They can be seen in the listing in two faqs here at the shroomery.

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Re: Undiscovered strains? [Re: mjshroomer]
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Re: Undiscovered strains? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #3643201 - 01/18/05 02:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Neg, found in Georgia in disturbed riparian areas. Rarely get larger than 3-4 inches tall with a 1 inch cap. Habitat/region/size don't match up.


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