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 Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh?  [Re: Mushmonkey]
#3649941 - 01/19/05 06:32 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Unfortunately...the technology to use cell phones from the air was not available yet at the time of 9-11
American Airlines and QUALCOMM Complete Test Flight to Evaluate In-Cabin Mobile Phone Use
Yet The 911 Commission points to the clarity and detail of these telephone conversations.
Aviation Week (07/20/04) described this new technology in an authoritative report published in July 2004:
"Qualcomm and American Airlines are exploring [July 2004] ways for passengers to use commercial cell phones inflight for air-to-ground communication. In a recent 2-hr. proof-of-concept flight, representatives from government and the media used commercial Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) third-generation cell phones to place and receive calls and text messages from friends on the ground."
Kind of puts a new spin things eh?...
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Mushmonkey]
#3649957 - 01/19/05 06:35 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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hey one good thing has come of this, with the taliban not in control of afghanistan, and the increase of coccaine in the current market, charlie has hit an all time low in terms of price that i haven't seen in years. i mean this could be of other factors, but if what you guys say is true then with that the decrease in price can only be a good thing for users (depending on the view you take)
way more to party with at the weekend now, woohoo!
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Not to mention more police in riot gear eagerly waiting to smash your door down and shoot your dog
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Rono]
#3650025 - 01/19/05 06:50 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ugh, airplanes travel a maximum of about 5 miles above the ground and im pretty sure i can get a wireless signal 5 miles from a tower. In rural areas, cells are spaced up to 20 miles apart.
This was a test to see if an airline can carry a cell with it for use on, for example, intercontinental flights.
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Rono]
#3650041 - 01/19/05 06:52 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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a new spin?
do you mean to tell us that those cell phone calls were fabricated because it would have been impossible at the time for a call to get through? That the altitude and speed of the airplane would have been too great for a recipient on the ground to recieve even 1% of the signal? That reliable government sources made up each of these calls in order to more thoroughly fool the American sheople? That these trusted sources would lie to us? Because if that is what you are saying, you, sir, are correct.
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: SWEDEN]
#3650116 - 01/19/05 07:03 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Again, you can get a wireless signal on a plane. The FCC is actually debating right now if they should universally allow cell phone calls on planes because it is currently banned due to the fears that tower communication could get disrupted. Im not sure where you get the argument that planes travel too fast to allow cell phone calls. lol, thats just ridiculous. Its not like they are traveling near the speed of light, just a few hundred miles/hour tops. I dont know where you guys get this stuff.
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Catalysis]
#3650133 - 01/19/05 07:08 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Before this new "Pico cell," it was nigh on impossible to make a call from a passenger aircraft in flight. Connection is impossible at altitudes over 8000 feet or speeds in excess of 230 mph.
http://www.nypress.com/17/30/news&columns/AlanCabal.cfm
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Catalysis]
#3650149 - 01/19/05 07:09 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's not the speed that is in question...it's the altitude.
Anything over 8000 feet, cell phone communication is next to impossible.
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Rono]
#3650215 - 01/19/05 07:20 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Air Phones anyone?
In the back of EVERY F*ing seat? Anyone? Anyone? Bueler?
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Rose]
#3650225 - 01/19/05 07:22 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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every seat? no, not every seat, and not every plane.
flight 77 did have airphones though.
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: SWEDEN]
#3650239 - 01/19/05 07:25 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ahhh yes, true. But phones are on every other seat in most American Boeings. Especially on airlines like United and American. Especially on buisness flights. This WAS a Tuesday morning flight, after all. Air phones are FOR intercontinental, buisness flights.
The hijackers even TOLD the people to use the phones.
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: SWEDEN]
#3650288 - 01/19/05 07:32 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whether they were cell phones or satellite phones, I still dont see how you can discount real people recieving real phone calls from real relatives. If so, than this conspiracy far exceeds the scope of anything I can imagine. You would need to have those people either on the ground and holding a gun to thier heads or record previous phone calls and use an elaborate splicing technique..Or it could just be that the alien voice simulation technology left behind from the battles between the grays and the knights templar has finally been reverse engineered. 
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Catalysis]
#3650603 - 01/19/05 08:46 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry if im not replying to the correct people, here is another one.
Former German Defense Minister Confirms CIA Involvement in 9/11
http://www.prisonplanet.com/020804vonbuelow.html
But since hes not an american hes lying, not a valid source.
Also how many people are aware that Boeings can be flown by remote control? Yes, these planes can be taken over from the ground and landed completely by remote control. So why didn't this happen?
NORAD stood down, simple as that. No one has given me a valid source as to WHY this happened.
Ah whatever, theres always going to be those super patriot type of people who will follow their leaders to the graves. Nothing I can do about it.
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: J4S0N]
#3650629 - 01/19/05 08:52 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also here is an article about the problem with the Cell phone story:
http://www.rense.com/general56/moreholes.htm
Why hasn't the FBI released the blackbox recordings? Surely they would be the smoking gun to prove the offical story true. But thats not going to happen. In fact the rescue worker that found it was threatened not to say anything.
Any also how does the cell phone calls prove anything anyhow? From what i've read the messages were like "We're being hi-jacked".. not very discriptive.
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Edited by J4S0N (01/19/05 11:35 PM)
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: J4S0N]
#3650647 - 01/19/05 08:57 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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"wasn't threatened"
you mean was threatened right?
The cell phone issue is important not because of the content of the calls but whether or not the calls could have been made at all. If a cell phone does not function at a certain altitude, then it does not function, and those calls were fabricated. Then again if all of the calls which were released to the public (some were withheld because of family members' wishes) were made from air-phones, then the cell phone argument is a moot point.
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Catalysis]
#3650672 - 01/19/05 09:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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AIR PHONES...
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: J4S0N]
#3651267 - 01/19/05 11:30 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also here is an article about the problem with the Cell phone story:
http://www.rense.com/general56/moreholes.htm
This is interesting. I have seen many sites claim that cell phone calls are practically impossible from over 8,000 feet. And, supposedly a lot of cell and air phone calls originated from Flight 93(the flight that crashed into the field). So, people ask how did all of the calls originate from a plane that was quite probably over 8,000 for most of the flight. I have looked around and have found no credible sources debunking this question. However, I have seen a lot of posts from people saying stuff like, "I have made secret cell phone calls on planes before and it worked just fine". I would really like to hear from some respected telecommunications engineers on this.
The 9/11 report specifically says that air and cell phones were used by the passengers.
Edited by RandalFlagg (01/19/05 11:32 PM)
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#3651335 - 01/19/05 11:50 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm no "telecommunications engineer", but I have made cell phone calls from a plane before with no problems.
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#3651558 - 01/20/05 12:49 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said:
How about you just give me a source that you would consider as trustworthy...or can you not think of one?
I have a feeling you are trying to bait me into a trap...but I'll oblige you anyway.
I have yet to see any bullshit from the BBC. I have seen a little bias from CNN, but that can be ignored and you can be comfortable that the facts they are reporting are real. From what I have read and seen of the 9/11 commission hearings and the report, I am comfortable that it is accurate and exhaustive.
If you consider CNN a trustworthy source then you have a very different definition than I do of what is trustworthy. In one particular istance CNN aired what is known as a video news release on a controversial medicare law. It was presented by a public relations representative named Karen Ryan as an actual news story. News stories, however, are not paid for by the government, which this particular video news release was. The simple fact CNN aired the VNR, which was one-sided and funded by the government, shows a severe lack of journalistic integrity.
So, perhaps you should reevaluate what is credible. I would personally rather believe a conspiracy theorist with relatively little to gain then a news organization that blatantly airs slanted information for a little government cash. CNN isn't the only news organization that airs slanted VNRs either. All that the media outlets care about is money; and why trust anyone, or anything, that can be bought.
Here's an article that deals with the situation that I refer to:
http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/20865/
So it seems like you are going to have to settle with the info in the 9-11 report because, by your standards of objectivity, no news organization will should have the credibility that you deem necessary for something to be believable.
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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Twister]
#3652315 - 01/20/05 04:20 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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The planes were flying LOW for a while too. On the East Coast... Lots of cell towers in the East!
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