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WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh?
    #3641085 - 01/17/05 10:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3641213 - 01/17/05 11:32 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The offical story is such a lie when you actually look at the evidence. There is little reason not to believe those towers weren't lined with explosives before sept 11. The evidence is in WTC tower 7. THis tower wasn't even hit by a plane, yet it collapsed. There is video of them 'pulling' it. Larry silverstien himself said on public television that they decided to pull it. If this tower was already lined with explosives, then the question is why? And why did larry silverstien have control of the explosives? And then we can wonder if the other two towers were also lined. They sure did fall nice didn't they.. really fast too. Actually they fell about as fast as physically possible.

Plus has anyone else seen the video clip of the FEMA employee on sept 11 saying that FEMA was deployed in New York on Sept *10*.. Slip up on his part i guess.. so then why were they delpoyed if no one knew what was coming?

Not bad for afgan terrorist cavemen huh..


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: J4S0N]
    #3641635 - 01/18/05 01:00 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I think it's sad that people need evidence such as this but whatever..


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: faslimy]
    #3641801 - 01/18/05 02:05 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Are you insinuating that it was obvious the US government played a role in the fall of the WTC Towers? Because that's cool, it's your opinion man


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Ravus]
    #3642367 - 01/18/05 08:35 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

> The offical story is such a lie when you actually look at the evidence.

There is a large difference between looking at the evidence and understanding the evidence. Obviously, not many people understand what they are looking at.

> There is little reason not to believe those towers weren't lined with explosives before sept 11.

There is no reason to believe tha the towers were lined with explosives before sept 11.

1) Shaped charges have to be strapped onto both sides of each I-beam to cut the beam.

2) Pusher charges have to be put under the building to lift the thing to start the collapase.

3) The structure of the building has to be weakened so that it can fall with the help of the explosives.

4) Nobody reported any construction work on the building in the months before the attack. It would have taken several months to a year to prepare these THREE buildings for demolotion.

5) There was no explosive residue reported on the rubble

6) There were no signs of explosives being detonated before the buildings collapsed

7) The buildings collapsed from the top down, not the bottom up as you would see in a demolition

8) The top of the building can be seen sliding off to the side as the collapse starts. This is obviously related to the plane impact point.

9) There would have to be wires running everywhere to properly time the charges for detonation. Batteries and remote receivers would be impractical with the time required between placement and activation... not to mention the danger or a premature detonation.

10) The Bush admin isn't smart enough to make something like this happen.

> They sure did fall nice didn't they.. really fast too. Actually they fell about as fast as physically possible.

Take a high school physics class before posting such drivel, please. All objects on earth, ignoring air resistance, fall at the exact same speed of 9.8 m/s/s. A marble or a bowling ball or a building, it doesn't matter; they all fall at the same rate!


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Seuss]
    #3642403 - 01/18/05 09:12 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Of course it was the afgan boogiemen....

You do know that the CIA had setup NORAD training sessiones that day right? Norad was unnder the impression that there was a training exercise going on that day, there were quite a few 'highjacked' planes, the targets included the world trade centre and the pentagon. The people guarding the skies had no idea the planes were actually high-jacked. it was in teh USA today, near the back of course.

So how did osama get the CIA to do this so that norad would ignore the high jacked planes? Im curious

Physics class isn't going to change that fact that FEMA was ther on Sept 10 ready and waiting, and that Larry Silverstein himself (owner of the towers) admitted on PBS that they decided to PULL tower 7. So who are you believing? None of it makes sense..

and and as for the residue on the fallen structure, the entire building was shipped off to China before any non-government official could look at it. The FBI wouldn't allow it.

If you believe the government was not in on it perhaps you can answer some questions for me. I have a lot of them, and the offical story just doesn't cut it for me (and im not alone).


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Seuss]
    #3642682 - 01/18/05 11:32 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

4) Nobody reported any construction work on the building in the months before the attack. It would have taken several months to a year to prepare these THREE buildings for demolotion.

Didn't FEMA or some government agency admit the fall of one of the buildings (WT7?) was planned? They demolished it on purpose after the planes hit "to reduce further damage" or something like that?

If that is true then they most certainly were able to install all the explosives required without public knowledge.


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: cb9fl]
    #3642707 - 01/18/05 11:41 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

> If that is true then they most certainly were able to install all the explosives required without public knowledge.

There are many ways to tear down a building without using explosives.


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Seuss]
    #3642715 - 01/18/05 11:44 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

you all need tin foil hats.


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3642754 - 01/18/05 11:59 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

> you all need tin foil hats

Eh?  My reception is fine.  :wink:


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3642761 - 01/18/05 12:00 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc7.html

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Building 7 underwent a total structural collapse at around 5:20 PM.




http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

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Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish WTC 7 late in the afternoon of September 11, 2001.




That means within 7 hours of the attack people were able to organize the demolition of that building while everything else was happening. I'm not saying it didn't happen that way just that it's hard for me to believe.


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3642786 - 01/18/05 12:09 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone recall the burning of the Reishstag?


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: J4S0N]
    #3642804 - 01/18/05 12:13 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

J4S0N said:
Of course it was the afgan boogiemen....

You do know that the CIA had setup NORAD training sessiones that day right? Norad was unnder the impression that there was a training exercise going on that day, there were quite a few 'highjacked' planes, the targets included the world trade centre and the pentagon. The people guarding the skies had no idea the planes were actually high-jacked. it was in teh USA today, near the back of course.

So how did osama get the CIA to do this so that norad would ignore the high jacked planes? Im curious

Physics class isn't going to change that fact that FEMA was ther on Sept 10 ready and waiting, and that Larry Silverstein himself (owner of the towers) admitted on PBS that they decided to PULL tower 7. So who are you believing? None of it makes sense..

and and as for the residue on the fallen structure, the entire building was shipped off to China before any non-government official could look at it. The FBI wouldn't allow it.

If you believe the government was not in on it perhaps you can answer some questions for me. I have a lot of them, and the offical story just doesn't cut it for me (and im not alone).




This is true...It seems a little convenient that on the same day of the highjackings that there were also nation wide mock drills. According to the radar ops, they seen a multitude of 'highjacked' planes on their screen, even after they were aware of the first plane hitting the WTC...
..care to guess who called for the Exercises?... If you guessed Dick Cheney, you would be right.


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Seuss]
    #3642805 - 01/18/05 12:13 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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7) The buildings collapsed from the top down, not the bottom up as you would see in a demolition




Not exactly....

They collapsed from around half way up where the planes went in. The middle section of building gave way; and from there up came down with enough weight to crush the bottom half.

They collapsed from the bottom of the top half, from there up.


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Rono]
    #3642821 - 01/18/05 12:17 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

well there's a coincidence.....'don't worry guys it's only a drill'

ooops!

the Reichstag fire....


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Seuss]
    #3642827 - 01/18/05 12:19 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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5) There was no explosive residue reported on the rubble




Actually this can't be proven either way since the metal was immediately sent to China...without EVER having been examined.

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6) There were no signs of explosives being detonated before the buildings collapsed


Not quite accurate...many fire fighters that were at the scene heard a 'bang' just before the building collapsed and believe that this was controlled demoltiton.

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10) The Bush admin isn't smart enough to make something like this happen.



I agree that Bush isn't smart enough...but Cheney and Rumsfield are...and I think everyone here would agree that they are the ones that are running the show...not Bush.


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: J4S0N]
    #3642828 - 01/18/05 12:20 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

the entire building was shipped off to China before any non-government official could look at it. The FBI wouldn't allow it.




Is this true? Why on Earth were the fallen towers shipped to China of all places?


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: CJay]
    #3642836 - 01/18/05 12:23 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

anyone smell fish?


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: CJay]
    #3642842 - 01/18/05 12:25 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I haven't been able to smell anything else for a few years now... :wink:


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Re: WTC 911 Fires - Not So Hot, Eh? [Re: Rono]
    #3642850 - 01/18/05 12:29 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

"Hi Mom!"


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