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InvisibleSwami
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Why Promote Things as Desirable...?
    #3634256 - 01/16/05 07:10 AM (12 years, 3 days ago)

... that you have only read about and have not achieved? Nor do you know if these things are achievable and if so, if it is where you want to go/be/do? These types of threads are prevalent and seem to mere parroting of other's words i.e. something you have read or heard about.

Why not speak solely from what you have learned? Is that not enough to share and discuss?

Don't misunderstand. There is nothing wrong with discussing great philosophic books or new ideas or views, but how can you promote certain ideas as possible or desirable if you have yet to experience them?


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Swami]
    #3634263 - 01/16/05 07:12 AM (12 years, 3 days ago)

You speak the truth my friend, their is no substitue for experience!


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Swami]
    #3634275 - 01/16/05 07:21 AM (12 years, 3 days ago)

but how can you promote certain ideas as possible or desirable if you have yet to experience them?

also how can you come to a conclusion that they don't exsist if you have not yet experienced them or witnessed them being practiced?


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Swami]
    #3634643 - 01/16/05 12:46 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

I promote this thread.


Do you promote the transcendence of desire and suffering, of chronic anxiety?


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #3634704 - 01/16/05 01:09 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

Why not speak solely from what you speak..
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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Gomp]
    #3634733 - 01/16/05 01:21 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

*Can't say.


Edited by TheHateCamel (01/16/05 01:50 PM)


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #3634811 - 01/16/05 01:57 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

Sometimes, before gaining direct experience of the results of practicing those teachings, one is able to understand the potential in them for tremendous good. Teachings like these are said to "taste good". When such teachings are read or heard, they create a feeling of anticipation inside the student, and although the student has yet to put them into practice, the student feels compelled to transmit their preliminary understanding to others so that they too can experience the new flavour.

Unfortunately, when spiritual teachings taste good, some students settle for the flavour and refrain from taking in the substance of what is taught. A lot of spiritual nibbling goes on, and no real transformation takes place. Transmitting the teachings to others becomes just another means of licking the candy apple. But that's okay. Nobody gets hurt.


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Ped]
    #3634926 - 01/16/05 02:41 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

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Ped said:
Sometimes, before gaining direct experience of the results of practicing those teachings, one is able to understand the potential in them for tremendous good.  Teachings like these are said to "taste good".  When such teachings are read or heard, they create a feeling of anticipation inside the student, and although the student has yet to put them into practice, the student feels compelled to transmit their preliminary understanding to others so that they too can experience the new flavour.

Unfortunately, when spiritual teachings taste good, some students settle for the flavour and refrain from taking in the substance of what is taught.  A lot of spiritual nibbling goes on, and no real transformation takes place.  Transmitting the teachings to others becomes just another means of licking the candy apple.  But that's okay.  Nobody gets hurt.




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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Swami]
    #3634928 - 01/16/05 02:42 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

Are you totally enlightened? Do you talk about enlightenment, quest for it, and discuss it among friends?


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Ped]
    #3635235 - 01/16/05 04:32 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

Some achievements are linear, and therefore the end result CAN be known. Example: Someone wants to lose 30 pounds and they have lost 15 already. They can see that the process is following a certain set of rules and that if they keep following them, will arrive at their goal.

Then there are non-linear achievements that truly cannot be spoken about unless one has arrived. One can either levitate or perform telekinesis or one cannot. There is no middle ground.


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Swami]
    #3635454 - 01/16/05 05:41 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

im waiting for this subject to touch base on god and religion. many have not "experienced" god yet they still preech it. im nnot putting any of my opinions in this yet....it could get ugly.


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3635887 - 01/16/05 07:50 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

many have not "experienced" god yet they still preech it

Exactly.


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Swami]
    #3637393 - 01/17/05 01:46 AM (12 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
... that you have only read about and have not achieved? Nor do you know if these things are achievable and if so, if it is where you want to go/be/do? These types of threads are prevalent and seem to mere parroting of other's words i.e. something you have read or heard about.




Quote:

Nietzsche said:
No one can draw more out of things, books included, than he already knows. A man has no ears for that to which experience has given him no access.




hehe


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Swami]
    #3637406 - 01/17/05 01:51 AM (12 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Then there are non-linear achievements that truly cannot be spoken about unless one has arrived. One can either levitate or perform telekinesis or one cannot. There is no middle ground.



Quote:

Nietzsche said:
Even great spirits have only their five fingers breadth of experience - just beyond it their thinking ceases and their endless empty space and stupidity begins.



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Sclorch insinuated:
Swami is like Nietzche in many ways, and will probably go insane eventually just like Nietzsche.




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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Ravus]
    #3637413 - 01/17/05 01:53 AM (12 years, 3 days ago)

FIEND!!

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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #3637470 - 01/17/05 02:13 AM (12 years, 3 days ago)

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TheHateCamel said:
Do you promote the transcendence of desire and suffering, of chronic anxiety?




well? do you?


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Ravus]
    #3637504 - 01/17/05 02:28 AM (12 years, 3 days ago)

What do you mean "go insane"?


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Swami]
    #3637512 - 01/17/05 02:34 AM (12 years, 3 days ago)

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Swami said:
What do you mean "go insane"?



Maybe it's some sort of progression... levels of insanity or something... I don't know.

But yeah... we all know that you already qualify as insane.


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3637632 - 01/17/05 03:53 AM (12 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

Sclorch said:
Quote:

Swami said:
... that you have only read about and have not achieved? Nor do you know if these things are achievable and if so, if it is where you want to go/be/do? These types of threads are prevalent and seem to mere parroting of other's words i.e. something you have read or heard about.




Quote:

Nietzsche said:
No one can draw more out of things, books included, than he already knows.  A man has no ears for that to which experience has given him no access.




hehe





nice. :smirk:


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Re: Why Promote Things as Desirable...? [Re: Swami]
    #3638788 - 01/17/05 02:18 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

It's commonly accepted here that you will go insane eventually, Swami, it's only a matter of time before your skepticism and lack of faith leave you like a piece of driftwood floating in a flood. But if you mean Nietzsche's insanity:

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Nietzsche endured periods of illness during his adult life. In 1889, after the completion of Ecce Homo, his health rapidly declined until he collapsed. At that moment, he is said to have tearfully embraced a horse in Turin because it had been beaten by its owner. He was taken back to his room, and spent several days in a state of ecstasy writing letters to various friends. He gradually became less coherent and almost entirely uncommunicative. His friend Peter Gast observed that he retained the ability to improvise beautifully on the piano for some months after his breakdown, but this too eventually left him.

The initial symptoms of Nietzsche's 'breakdown', as evidenced in the letters he sent to his friends in the few days of lucidity remaining to him, bear many similarities to the ecstatic writings of religious mystics. These letters remain the best evidence we have of Nietzsche's own opinion on the nature of his 'breakdown'. Nietzsche's letters describe his experience as a religious breakthrough and he rejoices, rather than laments. Most Nietzsche commentators find the issue of Nietzsche's breakdown and 'insanity' irrelevant to his work as a philosopher, though some, including Georges Bataille, have disagreed.

Nietzsche spent the last ten years of his life insane, in the care of his sister Elisabeth, and unaware of the growing success of his works. The cause of Nietzsche's condition has to be regarded as undetermined. Doctors later in his life said they were not so sure about the initial diagnosis of syphilis because he lacked the typical symptoms. While the story of syphilis indeed became generally accepted in the twentieth century, recent research in the Journal of Medical Biography shows that syphilis is not consistent with Nietzsche's symptoms, and that the contention that he had the disease originated in anti-Nietzschean tracts. One of the best arguments against the syphilis theory is summarized by Claudia Crawford in the book To Nietzsche: Dionysus, I Love You! Ariadne.

For cases similar to Nietzsche's of apparent mental breakdown occurring in a religious context and appearing to outside observers as 'insanity', see the phenomenon of kundalini and the attempts at therapeutic treatment of such cases by Meher Baba, described in the book 'The Wayfarers' (http://www.meherbaba.co.uk/books.htm) by Dr. William Donkin.



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