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Invisiblespudamore
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    #3630123 - 01/15/05 05:44 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

which to choose?
personal experience or scientific evidence?


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Re: Choose [Re: spudamore]
    #3630160 - 01/15/05 06:04 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

three words.
rock paper scissors.


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cultivate [Re: JJdubble]
    #3630205 - 01/15/05 06:44 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

open minded scientific approaches to personal experiences


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Re: cultivate [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3630214 - 01/15/05 07:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

can you really chose, then, why not chose both personal experience and scientific evidence?


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Re: cultivate [Re: Gomp]
    #3630220 - 01/15/05 07:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

what if they are conflicting?


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Re: cultivate [Re: fresh313]
    #3630235 - 01/15/05 07:29 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

how could they be?

:confused: :heart:


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Re: cultivate [Re: Gomp]
    #3630239 - 01/15/05 07:34 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

your perception of experience can be wrong
or
science can be wrong


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Re: cultivate [Re: fresh313]
    #3630245 - 01/15/05 07:46 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

experience is always right but science cannot recreate personal experience.
they might create a similar experience but every experience is unique and individual.


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Re: cultivate [Re: fresh313]
    #3630270 - 01/15/05 08:33 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

fresh313 said:
your perception of experience can be wrong
or
science can be wrong




being wrong is excellent!

recovery from error is where it is at
always falling and catching yourself (like before you have to say sorry)is very natural and dignified


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Re: cultivate [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3630276 - 01/15/05 08:40 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
open minded scientific approaches to personal experiences




Precisely  :wink:


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Re: Choose [Re: spudamore]
    #3630280 - 01/15/05 08:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There are so many different approaches to different moments in life... that question is too vague to answer, appropriately.

What do you personally expirence that can't be described by science?


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Re: cultivate [Re: fresh313]
    #3630286 - 01/15/05 08:47 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

fresh313 said:
your perception of experience can be wrong
or
science can be wrong




still, i see no conflicts :wink:
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Re: cultivate [Re: Gomp]
    #3630302 - 01/15/05 08:59 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What do you personally expirence that can't be described by science?

science can describe the experience beacue it is merely words. but will never give you the same experience. it is highly improbable that science will ever have evidence to personal experience.


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Re: cultivate [Re: Gomp]
    #3630307 - 01/15/05 09:04 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Gomp said:
Quote:

fresh313 said:
your perception of experience can be wrong
or
science can be wrong




still, i see no conflicts :wink:
:heart: :thumbup:




your perception of speciified experience you believe to be right
science's explanation of specified is different from what youve concluded from experience

maybe ive been up for too long?


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Re: Choose [Re: psyka]
    #3630491 - 01/15/05 11:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

psyka said:
What do you personally expirence that can't be described by science?




nothing I experience can be described by science.


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Re: Choose [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3630715 - 01/15/05 01:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

No experience can be adequatley explained, as language is just not a good enough medium for experience. In other words experience is beyond explanations!


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Re: cultivate [Re: Sinbad]
    #3630753 - 01/15/05 01:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Sinbad said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
open minded scientific approaches to personal experiences




Precisely  :wink:




Yes!

However, the question was which to choose if the two could be divided, which I can't see how as experience is what leads to scientific fact. I can tell you from experience that I have 5 fingers which is scientific fact. I had to learn what facts are and how to identify them from experience so I would choose experience.

The experience of cause and effect will lead you to your own scientific discoveries and the development of methodigies all on its own just like it naturally did in the first place.

If you only chose science fact, your world would be limited by what has been validated as science fact, but experience could expand the scope of your world realizations far beyond that. It does anyway which is why more more keeps becoming known as fact and some old facts are corrected.

This is why rock paper scissors really sums this up- good one! :thumbup: :tongue:


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Re: cultivate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3630817 - 01/15/05 01:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You can adequately state the fact that you have five fingers, but you cannot explain your experience of your five fingers.

There is no choice involved, you have five fingers its a fact! hold out your hand and try to explain scientificly to me how your experience of your five fingers is adequatley through language.

I bet youll find that you cant! and when you try to there is a process that leads to no logical conclusion, this free's your mind from the narrowness of beliving in the fact!

This is the open minded approach to personal experience.

he he  :smile:


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Re: cultivate [Re: Sinbad]
    #3630828 - 01/15/05 01:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup: and it is funny and some people havn't figured that joke out yet. he he he he (the cosmic joke)


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Re: cultivate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3630916 - 01/15/05 01:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'll add to it. Say I grew up isolated from the modern world. I developed a word for these things I can bend at the end of these things hanging from me in the form of sign language by wiggling them and form my own counting method and expressed the amount of them by raising my right elbow at a 90 degree angle.

So in my world, to tell you I had 10 fingers I would raise my right elbow at a 90 degree angle and wiggle my fingers and I would be in my own science fact yet, my answer to you would be wrong.

So, what the hell is science fact anyway, but stuff people decided to agree on because they all experienced it to be so?

Then, this guy comes into my world who is double jointed, he can bend his wigglers backwards. Now I have to invent a new sign for this observation as I experienced a new possibility and can see him do it again and again.

Whats weird is how modern science has developed but it doesn't account for everything yet and even how we use it to explain our world itself is man created or a fabrication of nothing but thought into something that can be expressed to convey a concept to another.

Some times, I wish some cool ETs would land and just blow our paradigm of how we think it is right out the water and be able to "prove it" was all misinterpretations of human creative ability. That would be wild to experience, just to realise the malleablity of it all by a comparison of what else all of this can be through the eyes of a race that evolved differently.


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