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mecreateme
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Yeah I was gonna say Quantum Psychology too, but you might want to start with Prometheus Rising as Quantum is the second part to that.
It sounds like the string is the hidden variable, as some have put it. I would like to see that it is found, but I am not sure that it will ever. If it does, it seems to me that the person would solve this reality, or something to that effect. That's just my random thoughts on that though.
Nice paper Frogger. In High School, I took a college level World Civilization class and wrote a research paper on the use of psychedelic drugs by civilizations all over the world. My teacher thought it was very interesting and I got an A! Tell us what you get on it, it looked great to me.
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Re: Quantum Physics & Psychedelics.... linked? [Re: mecreateme]
#3629767 - 01/15/05 12:27 AM (19 years, 17 days ago) |
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Great Fucking Thread! I wonder which will win... science or spirituality. Which will prove which? It's the chicken or the egg all over again! What a great time we live in!
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Re: Quantum Physics & Psychedelics.... linked? [Re: mecreateme]
#3630416 - 01/15/05 08:45 AM (19 years, 16 days ago) |
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i turned that paper in a few years ago for a final grade, got an A of course
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SneezingPenis
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Re: Quantum Physics & Psychedelics.... linked? [Re: frogger25]
#3631943 - 01/15/05 04:44 PM (19 years, 16 days ago) |
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hey, im new on here, but love the topics. Never thought i would find a thread seriously linking these two things. I just got into QP not too long ago. I just read that book "DMT: the spirit molecule" which links some QP with dr. strassmans research, so i wrote him a few emails and talked to him about it. I also wrote a guy who wrote "Quantum: a guide for the perplexed" dealing with the speed of thought, and how quantum particles in some ways act like thoughts do, and maybe this can be a key to the unifying theory. havent heard back from him yet.
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shrooma
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Re: Quantum Physics & Psychedelics.... linked? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#3634135 - 01/16/05 03:17 AM (19 years, 16 days ago) |
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Just found this. http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_journal5.shtml
I might read it considering i may have 7g of something pure very soon
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Re: Quantum Physics & Psychedelics.... linked? [Re: mecreateme]
#19290335 - 12/17/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i know this is old but i really wanted to say something about this. i finally understand quantum physics after watching a documentary 3 times ahaha.. anyways, i understand that the matter (make up of strings vibrations and spin) that we see only exists when we look for it. (you can look up the double slit experiment) it shows that electrons act as waves when they are not observed and act like matter when they are observed. thus proving that the universe is just energy until someone looks for it. basically if a tree falls in the forest and nobody or anything is around to perceive it, it does not make a sound. so i was thinking... since nobody can explain why we get high or how we do from shrooms or acid or any psych really, i think this finally puts this question on some solid ground. i think seeing hallucinations is just us letting go of what we know as reality and what exists to us simply crumbles. and the higher you get the further you let go.
thanks for listening if anybody is going to read this 8 years later hahahaha
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SneezingPenis
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Re: Quantum Physics & Psychedelics.... linked? [Re: jakepepper911]
#19290946 - 12/17/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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wow... i hate seeing my posts from that long ago.
what an asshole.
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Re: Quantum Physics & Psychedelics.... linked? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19292314 - 12/18/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: wow... i hate seeing my posts from that long ago.
what an asshole.
Aahhhhaaaa! Now I see!! You use quantum physics in your football pickem That explains everything.
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Re: Quantum Physics & Psychedelics.... linked? [Re: Zirus666]
#19292894 - 12/18/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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lets me put it this way, there is something to your theory.
ANd if you ever see how reality looks in energy etc..
you will laugh like a crazy looney and cry like a little bitch at the same time.
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Re: Quantum Physics & Psychedelics.... linked? [Re: rikuni]
#19292965 - 12/18/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quantum particles are now almost observable. A reverse process for measuring the behavior of quarks, bosons, etc has been developed. I don't have a specific link for this information but I can explain it as the inverse of microscopic observation.
Instead of shooting photons at the particle to identify its velocity or location it registers photons emitted by the particles themselves. I'm no quantum physicist so this might be a completely off base description, but it seems to be a step in the right direction as to empirically determining the location and velocity of subatomic particles, removing their probabilistic nature.
As for quantum mechanics and its relation to the psychedelic experience, lets just say I wouldn't have been able to conceptualize quantum entanglement or tunneling if it weren't for psychedelics.
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Re: Quantum Physics & Psychedelics.... linked? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
#19294075 - 12/18/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lord_McLovin
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Re: Quantum Physics & Psychedelics.... linked? [Re: monkeybus]
#19294471 - 12/18/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm a physicist myself and I say no, there is no direct link between quantum mechanics and how consciousness works. At least not one within the physical theory. At the end of the day, everything is quantum mechanics/quantum field theory, of course.
This popular science/esoteric relation most likely stems from John von Neumann, one of the early contributers to quantum theory. People couldn't explain quantum mechanics within their old wold views so they invented all kinds of funny interpretations. However, physics is about hard, down to earth math and experiments and if your interpretations do not result in something empirically verifiable/falsifiable, they are not part of science, but something else (religion, pseudo-science, philosophy, ...). From todays point of view, most physicists I know do simply not care about such questions for the above reason.
Relating everything that's going on in modern physics to such complex notions as consciousness seems kind of an anthropocentric thing to do in my point of view. To me it seems more like you're looking for some kind of spiritual/metaphysical thing, but that is not what physics and in particular quantum physics is about. Quantum physics is about how very, very tiny stuff moves and interacts.
Moreover, most of the stuff that's going on in the brain can be entirely described by classical non-relativistic physics, which of course doesn't mean that it is simple.
If you're looking for god, maybe you're looking at the wrong place? Or maybe you just have not understood what you are actually looking for.
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Lord_McLovin
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Re: Quantum Physics & Psychedelics.... linked? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
#19294507 - 12/18/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yukon Cornelius said: Quantum particles are now almost observable. A reverse process for measuring the behavior of quarks, bosons, etc has been developed. I don't have a specific link for this information but I can explain it as the inverse of microscopic observation.
Instead of shooting photons at the particle to identify its velocity or location it registers photons emitted by the particles themselves. I'm no quantum physicist so this might be a completely off base description, but it seems to be a step in the right direction as to empirically determining the location and velocity of subatomic particles, removing their probabilistic nature.
The problem is not just empirical, it is conceptual. Heisenberg's uncertainty relation is derivable within the modern picture of quantum mechanics. That means it's build into the math. The fact that particles do not have a well defined path (position and velocity with absolute theoretical precision) is actually one of the first principles you have to realize when attempting to physically understand quantum theory. Within the Copenhagen interpretation, this stems from the intuitive idea that particles are waves. In short, your statement actually denies quantum mechanics. And that's not a good bet, because it's one of the most well tested theories we have.
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As for quantum mechanics and its relation to the psychedelic experience, lets just say I wouldn't have been able to conceptualize quantum entanglement or tunneling if it weren't for psychedelics.
Psychedelics are a wonderful thing aren't they?
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