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USA bashing morons increase polio cases
    #3624349 - 01/13/05 06:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Islamic clerics encouraged boycotts of US made polio vaccines because they claimed they contain the AIDS virus or would make Muslim males sterile. These lies have increased polio cases world-wide.



Global rise in polio reported by WHO

Items compiled from Tribune news services
Published January 13, 2005


UNITED NATIONS -- The number of worldwide polio cases last year rose dramatically after a vaccine boycott in Nigeria spawned a resurgence of the disease across Africa, the World Health Organization said Wednesday.

The number of cases worldwide in 2004 reached 1,185, compared with 784 in 2003, according to the UN health agency.

Most of the cases were in Africa, largely in Nigeria, the continent's most populous nation. Some Islamic clerics in Nigeria's northern Kano state led the immunization boycott, claiming the polio vaccine was part of a U.S.-led plot to render Nigeria's Muslims infertile or infect them with AIDS.

The boycott triggered an outbreak across Africa, infecting children in formerly polio-free countries and hurting WHO-led attempts to eradicate the crippling disease. Nigeria had 763 cases last year.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0501130246jan13,1,6972046.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3624358 - 01/13/05 06:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The united states has contaminated hepatitis vaccines in the 70s with aids.


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #3624373 - 01/13/05 07:03 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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The united states has contaminated hepatitis vaccines in the 70s with aids.




AIDs wasn't discovered until the 1980's.


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3624567 - 01/13/05 07:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

That doesn't mean that nobody had AIDs in the 70's. It mostly started being noticed in the late 70's, and there have been cases of AIDs prior to 1970. By the 80's it was flaring up around the world and had spread to 5 continents.


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3625280 - 01/13/05 09:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

1977-78 was the year aids broke out. The hiv virus was contaminated in WHO smallpox vaccines in subsaharan africa.

The united states had contaminated hepatitis vaccines that was given to mostly homosexuals so it would appear as not much of a big threat till their was a large infection rate.


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #3625428 - 01/13/05 10:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

HIV originated in Africa sometime in the late 1940s. there is no evidence that HIV was man made. there is no way in the 1940s we had the technology to invent a virus as complex as HIV.


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3625528 - 01/13/05 10:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Thats probably because they've been caught doing such things in Africa, as well as in the states (primarily the ghetto). And obviously it works pretty well since no one would believe it.

Forced sterilization and contaminated vaccines...


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3625553 - 01/13/05 10:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Untrue...

Three of the earliest known instances of HIV infection are as follows:

1. A plasma sample taken in 1959 from an adult male living in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo
2. HIV found in tissue samples from an American teenager who died in St. Louis in 1969.
3. HIV found in tissue samples from a Norwegian sailor who died around 1976.

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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: Rono]
    #3625567 - 01/13/05 10:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

untrue? OK in 1959 do you think we had the technology to invent HIV?


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3625593 - 01/13/05 10:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

from what i understand HIV is a complex virus, that we still do not understand.


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3625627 - 01/13/05 11:04 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

HIV is a variation of the SIV, simian immunodeficiency virus, that was found in monkeys.


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3625629 - 01/13/05 11:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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untrue? OK in 1959 do you think we had the technology to invent HIV?




We had the technology to split an atom in the 40's...so it's not too far of a stretch...although I am not saying one way or another if HIV is manmade. I'm just saying that the technology may have been present...You need to keep in mind that just because the general public doesn't know about the technology doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: Rono]
    #3626038 - 01/14/05 12:52 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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untrue? OK in 1959 do you think we had the technology to invent HIV?




We had the technology to split an atom in the 40's...so it's not too far of a stretch...although I am not saying one way or another if HIV is manmade. I'm just saying that the technology may have been present...You need to keep in mind that just because the general public doesn't know about the technology doesn't mean it doesn't exist.





Exactly.


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: Rono]
    #3627455 - 01/14/05 07:34 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Here is a list of all the technology they would have needed:


One infected person or monkey


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3628726 - 01/14/05 04:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I short period of time. Aids had 80,000 cases in 2 years in 1981 and 1982.

An incredible amount spread in such a short time.
Since Aids will reach a global pandemic with almost 75% infection rate in the entire world by 2020.


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: Rono]
    #3628802 - 01/14/05 04:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

> Three of the earliest known instances of HIV infection are as follows:

Based upon the mutation rates of the virus, which are highly constant, they have been able to extrapolate the birth of the virus to somewhere between 1910 and 1940.

Looking for a source for the above... found it...

http://www.aidsmap.com/en/docs/667758BA-6EAE-4D7D-B230-8BD9467BF96E.asp

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This theory suggests that HIV-1 and HIV-2 may have been in the human population for anywhere between 25 and 100 years. It is thought that HIV successfully crossed the species barrier, leading to the current HIV epidemic. Several teams which have looked at the genetic divergence of HIV strains have concluded that HIV-1 strains began to diverge somewhere between 1940 and 1960, judging by the speed of divergence (which can be measured quite precisely). Most recently, a research group from the Los Alamos National Laboratory argued that HIV had entered humans from chimpanzees between 1910 and 1940. This estimate was based on comparisons of over one hundred viral isolates and computer analyses of the time it would have taken SIVcpz to mutate into various HIV subtypes (Korber).




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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #3628985 - 01/14/05 05:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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The united states had contaminated hepatitis vaccines that was given to mostly homosexuals so it would appear as not much of a big threat till their was a large infection rate.




Is this some vast conspiracy, or do you have a source to back it up?

To the original post topic, it's ridiculous when an extremist can stir up enough paranoia that it keeps a country from having any sort of legitimate health care.


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: Redstorm]
    #3629027 - 01/14/05 05:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

This is not exactly it but

http://poisonevercure.150m.com/diseases/horowitz2.htm

The prescense of contaminated vaccines is a possibility though.


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #3629155 - 01/14/05 06:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Oh yes, I do agree with that. I'm just not big on the eradication conspiracies.


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Re: USA bashing morons increase polio cases [Re: Redstorm]
    #3629247 - 01/14/05 06:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well you should take every conspiracy theory with a grain of salt, but of course its exactly what it is a theory, and some theories have been proven true.

Im sure none of us knows what goes behind the scenes in big government or the U.N.


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