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 IGnosticAbhorI
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 Re: Cant explain it.  [Re: kranked]
#3621211 - 01/12/05 10:30 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well fuck, I just put a towel on the bottom of the pan and then boiled in about 3inches of water, they turn out fine, but i do mine for about an hour...Nothing burns, so it's one of those, "just in case" type of deals..
Ok...Well you make holes in your lid, Then you take off the ring, then you put tape over the holes and then aluminum foil ( it helps keep out moisture), then you screw the ring back on..You don't have to loosen them, Just make sure that you have holes, All boiling/PCing does is give the jars Negative presure( when you open up a jar of salsa the jar pops, thats from neg. pressure), so those holes suck in air, therefore the tape and foil helps keep out the moisture, To be honest tho, you still get a lil bit in there, which sucks, because the whole point of a dry layer of verm. in ur cakes is to keep contams out...but there's water,lol, no nutes for the bacteria, but if it lies dormat and then the myc. grows on it, viola, Contamination...Well, that if you get something hardcore that's typically on grains...Anyways, Good luck and try grains soon, You'll LOVE em, later
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LaughingJim
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Placed the jars in a box and placed the bow on top of a heating pad that was set to low. A towel covered the whole thing. Ive also tried leaving other attempts covered but in the cold basement of my house.
I was talking about the incubation... not sterilization
If it wasn't too hot, then it may have been too cold...
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Edited by LaughingJim (01/12/05 10:38 PM)
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 metasin
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how long did you let them cool to room temp?
If the glass is cool to the touch it doesn't mean that the inside of the jar is.
I fried a couple jars once like that cause I put them in the incubator to cool (idn why dont ask)
I usually let them go overnight in a cool place now just to be anal about it.
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Re: Cant explain it. [Re: metasin]
#3621258 - 01/12/05 10:40 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here is the thing with heat pads, if they feel warm to you, then it is close to 98.6F, well, hotter than 84F.
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kranked
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I cooled for a 24hr period. Should I nix the heating pad idea during the incubation?
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Re: Cant explain it. [Re: kranked]
#3621435 - 01/12/05 11:15 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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kranked said:
I've pretty much narrowed it down to exactly that. Were do the majority of people buy reliable prints/syringes?
where did u buy ur syringes?
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Re: Cant explain it. [Re: JJdubble]
#3621529 - 01/12/05 11:45 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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JJdubble said:
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kranked said:
I've pretty much narrowed it down to exactly that. :: the syringes::?? Were do the majority of people buy reliable prints/syringes?
where did u buy ur syringes?
lets not question the shroomery's sponsors, if their product wasn't good I dont think they would still be a sponsor. There were a few things in your process that I question, but I think the number one thing that would cause no colonization would be excessive heat. Look into your your electric blanket, that may be the culprit. Did you flame sterilize the needle, if so how long did you let it cool?
Edited by recondite (01/13/05 12:46 AM)
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Re: Cant explain it. [Re: metasin]
#3621547 - 01/12/05 11:51 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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also, I don't know why this hasn't been asked yet but how long has it been since you innoc'd?
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Re: Cant explain it. [Re: metasin]
#3624760 - 01/13/05 06:39 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Excessive heat eh? I'll split the jars 50/50 cold basement/heating pad. See how it turns out.
How long ago did I inno'c them? To tell you the truth I did it about 3 months ago. I kinda gave up on them and forgot about them. Havent had a chance to clean the jars out yet. I'm thinking I should try to get normal mold to grow in them first. Just to see if I can even do that.
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Re: Cant explain it. [Re: kranked]
#3624798 - 01/13/05 06:46 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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i didnt read this whole post but dont really go trying to grow mold, you may grow something that can make you sick. and dont split the jars just put them in temps between 84-86F to incubate them if its cold it will take for ever to colonize making your chances for contams higher.
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Re: Cant explain it. [Re: kranked]
#3624896 - 01/13/05 07:01 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey recondite, It makes me glad to see someone so proud of their site...But Just because shroomery is great and has nice sponsers, doesn't mean that they won't screw up every now and then, Perhaps it was your syringes, But then again, you seem to know only so much about what your doing, I'd say research, then ask questions, then grow, But it's your grow and your money.
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I'm not sure where you have heard so many bad things about Sporeworks.com, but we have been an industry leader for over five years, bringing exclusive, unique, new psilocybe spore samples and exotic mushroom cultures to the mushrooming community. We have also done everything within our power to ensure great customer service reputation along the way. If there is or ever has been a problem with any of our products we ALWAYS take care of the customer ASAP.
As for the problem being experienced here. It does appear as though incubation temps may have played a role, or the neglect of jars for 3 months. But there are also possibilities source material may have been damaged in transit along the way. Shipping to Canada can put a sample in a mail or over the road truck for long periods of time, and if this sample is exposed to extreme cold or head along the way, it can end up sterile.
If this customer does determine our syringe to be at fault, you can bet we will send them replacements ASAP, all we ask is that they contact us via email or PM to arrange for such replacement.
Hopefully this will help ease your mind in what otherwise appears to be a fairly hostile attitude towards our company based on heresay.
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Re: Cant explain it. [Re: psilocyber]
#3628595 - 01/14/05 01:25 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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psilocyber said:
I'm not sure where you have heard so many bad things about Sporeworks.com, but we have been an industry leader for over five years, bringing exclusive, unique, new psilocybe spore samples and exotic mushroom cultures to the mushrooming community. We have also done everything within our power to ensure great customer service reputation along the way. If there is or ever has been a problem with any of our products we ALWAYS take care of the customer ASAP.
As for the problem being experienced here. It does appear as though incubation temps may have played a role, or the neglect of jars for 3 months. But there are also possibilities source material may have been damaged in transit along the way. Shipping to Canada can put a sample in a mail or over the road truck for long periods of time, and if this sample is exposed to extreme cold or head along the way, it can end up sterile.
If this customer does determine our syringe to be at fault, you can bet we will send them replacements ASAP, all we ask is that they contact us via email or PM to arrange for such replacement.
Hopefully this will help ease your mind in what otherwise appears to be a fairly hostile attitude towards our company based on heresay.
You called it a hostile attitude. It's not hostile or downtroddening in any way to you, or the companey. It was just a pure statement, It meant that IF he did everything correctly, which he may or may not have, then you shouldn't rule out the companey may have sent bad products, it happens, no one is perfect, and neither is your companey or any other, whether or not it's a fault of the companey or the delivery. I just meant that Shit Happens, And it's nice to know that All he has to do is write you guys and you'll fix the "problem", I have althought heard claims that it takes forever for you guys to reply, 6 months isn't what I'd consider ASAP, But then again, I've never bought anything from you guys, Not saying that I won't, But every delievery Can't be perfect, I'm sure that you guys have this under control.
Gl to all and may your syringes be hardcore and not Suck.
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Rockstar69
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 Re: Cant explain it. [Re: psilocyber]
#3628610 - 01/14/05 01:29 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Right on psilocyber.. 
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psilocyber
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Where did you hear it takes 6 months for our company to reply to email?
We've NEVER had customer service come anwywhere close to being that bad. Emails are usually answered within 24-48 hours, products shipped within 2-3 days (unless temporarily backlogged).
I guess statements like this is whats got me wondering about the source of the information where you've "heard bad things about Sporeworks."
Maybe you have us confused with somebody else?
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IGnosticAbhorI
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Re: Cant explain it. [Re: psilocyber]
#3628664 - 01/14/05 01:50 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, Ok, you guys are defiently consumed in keeping a big image, That REALLY bugs me. My friend Robert (bobert for short), Bought syringes from you quite awhile back, he wrote you guys b/c they were no good, contaminated with green mold. He wrote several times, when no reply came. Then finally he got a ahold of you guys, had to explain himself quite a bit and about the problems with his syringes, then he had to wait about 2 weeks for the syringes. I don't feel like sitting here BAD mouthing your companey when like i've said a million times, It's probably just ONE case in a MILLION.
LIKE I said, SHIT Happens. It's kool, no big deal, he was probably one mess up out a million. I'm sure that you guys have things under control.
I'll probably buy some syringes off you guys when I stop making prints, or want something new.
Till then, I'm pretty much done with this thread. Like I said, Probably just one mess up out of a million, No companey is perfect, that's why you guys let people write you, JUST in Case.
wow, I'm getting worked up,lol. Well, I'm done, I don't mean to sound like a dick, Just trying to get my point across.
-Good luck to your and your companey, may good things arise from this.
-Sincerly,
IGnosticAbhorI
Edit: Had to fix some things, it's kind of early....
Edited by IGnosticAbhorI (01/14/05 01:55 PM)
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Re: Cant explain it. [Re: kranked]
#3628683 - 01/14/05 01:56 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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When reading all this its making me dizzy.
Kranked, can you write EVERYTHING from your process down from the start?
- which mix did you use (I guess the 2-1-1 / verm-water-brf)?
- did you pack the mix after you filled the jars?
- did you use a pressure cooker? if not what then? How long did they "boil"?
- how long did they wait to cool, and where?
- what and where did you do with the syringes before you used them?
- how much did you inoc in each hole?
- where did you incubate them? what temp?
- did you store them airtight? (hockeytape over the holes does not sound very breathing 2 me)
I can recommend the PF tek for simpleminds, it is here in the informative section some where.
And about the mud thrown to sporeworks. Always be carefull with that. No matter if it is persons or companies, which are represented by persons too. Not saying that nothing can go wrong with a syringe before or after sending it.
Ive had 2 bad syringes (but did not test them on agar) but in both cases the vendors (one of them a sponsor here) solved it nice for me and replaced it. Even though it wasnt 100% sure that it was "their fault".
If you doubt the syringe/product simply contact the vendor! By private or if you have to in the sponsors forum.
Known thieves, like "the keeper", can be slandered though... In every forum 
Good luck!
MF
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