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I am as wise as Socrates was
    #3617583 - 01/12/05 01:21 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Discuss.


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: Twirling]
    #3617592 - 01/12/05 01:23 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

It is motion and rest


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: Gomp]
    #3617627 - 01/12/05 01:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

socrates is much better than me at madness


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: Twirling]
    #3617705 - 01/12/05 01:54 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I am the egg man , nice to meet you, coo coo ca choo.

But really, is it so wise to compare yourself with another? For what purpose does this serve one? I seek your wisdom on this?


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: Twirling]
    #3617726 - 01/12/05 01:58 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

He still play's every now and again despite being 50.


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #3617740 - 01/12/05 02:01 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

madness?


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3617748 - 01/12/05 02:03 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
But really, is it so wise to compare yourself with another? For what purpose does this serve one? I seek your wisdom on this?




According to the Trial & Death of Socrates, Socrates sought out an oracale which told him "No man is wiser than Socrates". This turned out to be true, although Socrates believed that he wasn't wiser than anyone else.

I am just as wise as he was, at least that's what the oracale would say. :wink: How could this be?

(BTW, I just took an introductory to Philosophy course, so I'm just having fun with some of the course material)


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: Twirling]
    #3617772 - 01/12/05 02:08 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i find fault with his view of an objective morality


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: Twirling]
    #3617811 - 01/12/05 02:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Oracles are cool, like the one in RUSH's 2112 and the Matrix, I think they like to mess with peoples heads-in a good way. :confused:

If the Oracle new socrates to be the wisets, how would the Oracle know unless he was wiser or had access to more wisdom?

What would be a measure of wisdom?

Does Wisdom have a beggining or end?

Is wisdom finite or infinite?

If infinite how can one be the wisest if not in a finite measure and by whom?

I think having fun is all you can do with philosophy course material if not change your world having fun doing it. Doing beats thinking.


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3617828 - 01/12/05 02:20 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: Gomp]
    #3617848 - 01/12/05 02:24 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

is that child pr0n?


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3617896 - 01/12/05 02:34 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Oracles are cool, like the one in RUSH's 2112 and the Matrix, I think they like to mess with peoples heads-in a good way. :confused:

If the Oracle new socrates to be the wisets, how would the Oracle know unless he was wiser or had access to more wisdom?

What would be a measure of wisdom?

Does Wisdom have a beggining or end?

Is wisdom finite or infinite?

If infinite how can one be the wisest if not in a finite measure and by whom?

I think having fun is all you can do with philosophy course material if not change your world having fun doing it. Doing beats thinking.




Exactly. I personally don't think the oracle in the story was meant to be completely literal by Plato but as a story telling device. Well, perhaps there was, but in a modern interpretation I think the oracle plays the part of giving a riddle for Socrates to explain why he thought that everyone has wisdom in their own way.

It's tough to look back in history at mythology & religion and know EXACTLY how they meant the wisdom of an "oracle" since it's obvious that people have taken it literally and some people use them to illustrate ideas that are hard to explain in rational explanations.


The sad thing is that these days many people avoid this type of idea - that everyone has their own wisdom. Political talk shows are the exact opposite of this idea - it feeds off of people needing to be right, people wanting to have more control over their lives, and people needing to talk down to each other by having an enemy.

Of course, I think an exception can be made to Fox News when it comes to Socrate's idea on wisdom. Every now & then there are people completely devoid of wisdom. :grin:


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: Gomp]
    #3617963 - 01/12/05 02:50 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Gomp,

Thanks for the laugh.

And, I couldn't agree more with you twirling on your last reply!

keep the stuff from your class coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3618065 - 01/12/05 03:11 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The Oracle at Delphi is quite possibly real... I watched a documentary on it on Discovery channel.

You are as wise as Socrates because Socrates realized that he knew nothing. It is because Socrates realized this that he was named the wisest by the Oracle.

Socrates was the wisest, because he knew nothing. You know nothing, therefore you are as wise as Socrates was.

But what is nothing?


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: Darcho]
    #3621601 - 01/13/05 02:06 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Socrates was pretty wise until he decided to drink the hemlock.
What a jackass.

There's always a way to keep both the message and yourself alive.
Fuck martyrs.


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: Sclorch]
    #3621785 - 01/13/05 02:50 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

kill all martyrs


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3622098 - 01/13/05 03:56 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

then torture them.


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: zorbman]
    #3622145 - 01/13/05 04:10 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

kill them then torture them?


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Re: I am as wise as Socrates was [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3622703 - 01/13/05 11:10 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

he chose poison over banishment from athens...

he may have been set up because he was attempting to broadcast some of the secrets of the kykeon-riual to the uninitiated... (geez, sounds like tim leary, hehheh...)

(whilst the herditary keepers of the sacred brew were quite possibly profaning the sacramental beer by using it in modes forbidden - such as having a bunch of friends over every few weeks for "tripping parties" (initiates to the eleusinian mysteries were permitten only one time to imbibe the potion & participate in the sacred telesterion presentation of the myth of demeter & persephone)...) (geez, sounds like u.s. gummint CIA spooks)

or perhaps not...

(not to fergit his (socrates') classic complaint against "the younger generation")(heh...)


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