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#3616572 - 01/12/05 05:15 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey!
so @ 15psi, which is 1 BAR pressure, water boils around 120C.
ive been googling for some time now but i wasnt able to find a
chart showing me the water temp above 1 BAR pressure.
can someone list me the temperature for 1.2 / 1.4 / 1.6 bar and so on?
id really need it concerning tyvek melts at 135C and i want to toy
around a bit.
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: ohmatic]
#3616591 - 01/12/05 05:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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120 deg is recognized as the "sterilization temperature"
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: liveby]
#3616594 - 01/12/05 05:29 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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jeah jeah jeah i know but that didnt answer my question!
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can someone list me the temperature for 1.2 / 1.4 / 1.6 bar and so on?
id really need it concerning tyvek melts at 135C and i want to toy
peace ohm
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: ohmatic]
#3616847 - 01/12/05 07:56 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can't find anything...
I tried to do a google myself using various search words, and I still could find any info that's goes beyond 257f (15lb.).
I even tried to search under the word incinerator's.
Good Luck!
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: kiss]
#3616892 - 01/12/05 08:14 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Found this on google with search term:
"Pressure boiling relationship"
It only goes to 15 psi, but has the mathamatical formula if you want to go higher - or just follow the 'line of best fit' on the graph to guesstimate higher values.
Boiling Point Of Water As A Function Of Pressure
This example models the relationship between the boiling point of water and the ambient pressure.
As ambient pressure decreases, the boiling point of water also decreases. This relationship can be modeled by Clapeyron's Equation which shows that the boiling temperature (in degrees Fahrenheit) is related to pressure as follows:
Temperature = b / log(Pressure/a) - 459.7
where a and b are parameters whose values are to be determined by the analysis.
Here are the NLREG statements to fit this function:
Title "Boiling point of water as a function of pressure";
Variable Pressure; // Pressure in vessel (PSI)
Variable Temp; // Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit
Parameter a = 1700; // Specify starting values
Parameter b = -3200;
Function Temp = b / log(Pressure/a) - 459.7;
Plot xLabel="Pressure (PSI)",yLabel="Temperature (degrees F.)";
Data;
[ data goes here ]
Here is a plot generated by NLREG showing the function fitted to a set of pressure and temperature measurements:
From : http://www.nlreg.com/boil.htm
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: ohmatic]
#3617161 - 01/12/05 10:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do a search for "BOYLES LAW"
I can only find my chart for refrigerants , but I think doing a search for the above named law may give you the data you seek .
You may get lucky and find an "ENTHALPY CHART " for water , but I am not sure , so do a search for that too .
Hope this helps , if I find my charts I'll pm you with it .
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: tripndicular]
#3617202 - 01/12/05 11:18 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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>Do a search for "BOYLES LAW"
Boyle's law has nothing to do with this....
The Clausius-Clapeyron's equation describes the dependence of the steam pressure and temperature.
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: Anno]
#3617234 - 01/12/05 11:34 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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thank you for ur input anno,
now it seems to me as if i should have actually listened up a weeeee
bit more in the physiks lessons at school :/
specifically, the whole deal is about the melting point of TYVEK.
i wouldnt really like to melt it, so i need to keep the temperature
below 135C/275F and i would like to know how many BAR or PSI pressure would
make the pc heat to that temperature.
is 1.2Bar pressure safe concerning TYVEK ?
peace ohm
*edit*
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: ohmatic]
#3617249 - 01/12/05 11:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: Anno]
#3617284 - 01/12/05 11:51 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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first of all, thanks for that great graph anno, it allowed me a preeeeetty
unexact but good guess by calculating the values and drawing straight lines.
IF i am right, i should play safe up to a Pressure of 40psi equalling 2.758 BAR,
staying below these values should guarantee me that the tyvek wont melt
away.
getting this validated by someone who actually can calculate the formula
would be even better though
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: ohmatic]
#3617307 - 01/12/05 11:58 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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>i should play safe up to a Pressure of 40psi equalling 2.758 BAR,
Total pressure, yes.
Subtract ~15(~1 bar) from that to get the relative pressure over the atmospheric pressure.
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: ohmatic]
#3617312 - 01/12/05 11:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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The formula can be calculated using the trial version of NLREG, which is available for download on the link i gave earlier.
http://www.nlreg.com/boil.htm
NLREG = Non-Linear Regresion and Curve Fitting program.
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: ohmatic]
#3617344 - 01/12/05 12:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here is a formula:
http://www.google.com/search?q=6.112+*+%2810+**+%28%287.5*100%29%2F%28237.7%2B100%29%29%29%2F1000
Replace the 100 (which is 100?C) (it is there twice in the formula!!) with any number between 0 and 150 to obtain the corresponding water vapor pressure.
The result is in bar absolute pressure (1 bar = 14,504 PSI)
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: Anno]
#3617376 - 01/12/05 12:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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using your formula it should be:
((6.11200 * (10 ** ((7.5 * 135) / (237.7 + 135)))) / 1 000) - 1 = 2.18306524 on the temp gauge of the clave
so, going to 2 BAR itll melt, staying below it is cool beans 
absolutely wicked  - tyvek is THE BOMB, and so are u anno, mr science 2005 !
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: ohmatic]
#3617500 - 01/12/05 01:02 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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anno 2005 
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: Anno]
#3617854 - 01/12/05 02:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anno said:
>Do a search for "BOYLES LAW"
Boyle's law has nothing to do with this....
The Clausius-Clapeyron's equation describes the dependence of the steam pressure and temperature.
Sorry for misquote , was talking with someone about this stuff when was typing , meant to say do search for thermodynamics of steam , or saturated steam tables .
Here is a place you can go and input known data and it does all the work for you http://www.connel.com/freeware/steam.shtml , use situation #2 table .
It will give you more than you are asking , but none the less will do the same work .
Answers to
1.2 bar pressure = 104.82 *C
1.4 = 109.33 *C
1.6= 113.46*C
1.8 = 117.00*C
2.0= 120.24
Does this help , or am I way off base again ?
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: ohmatic]
#3622543 - 01/13/05 09:54 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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So did that engineering site cut it for you ?
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: tripndicular]
#3622622 - 01/13/05 10:33 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey trip.
actually, the formula anno provided me with did the perfect job
(well we all did know that as he posted it right heh)
im just checking out the engineering site you posted
and it IS helpful, you did a very fine search on that.
lets give this man a good rating, he sure deserved it
btw for everyone who may be interested:
2 BAR = 120.24 degrees C
2.2 BAR = 123.31 degrees C
2.4 BAR = 126.17 degrees C
2.6 BAR = 128.84 degrees C
2.8 BAR = 131.21 degrees C
3 BAR = 133.55 degrees C
as calculated with anno's formula from above, 3 bar, or 2 bar relative pressure over the atmospheric pressure will melt it.
matches 100% with your formula
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Re: steam temperature / pressure relation [Re: ohmatic]
#3622995 - 01/13/05 01:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mine required less brain ache though
Thanx for the kind words and support , and realizing I was not just purely talking out my arse
I do apologize for wrong search words the first time around , but I clearly fixed my mistake , and that makes me happy again 
GL with your research .
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