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Offlinelonestar2004
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Re: January 20th, Protests, Inauguration [Re: Vvellum]
    #3612198 - 01/11/05 12:01 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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BIO did you check out the ANSWER link????? scroll down and watch their video. "these guys are calling for RIOTS on inauguration day."




yes, I just watched it. not once did it advocate nor say anything about rioting or violence. what on earth are you talking about?




the impression i came away with was riots on inauguration day.

quote " will the people run, or will they stand and fight?


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Re: January 20th, Protests, Inauguration [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3612242 - 01/11/05 12:14 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Fight doesn't mean physically. It means fight the fascist Bush administration.


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Re: January 20th, Protests, Inauguration [Re: DNKYD]
    #3612507 - 01/11/05 01:06 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I hope these protests will end up violent enough and/or with enough protesters in DC(200,000-300,000 would be cool) for the world media and world population to give them some good attention. If there's only like 10,000 that would really suck.

Because Americans need to show that they realize something is going wrong in their country. They seriously need it. With great power comes great responsibility, right? well let me tell you that alot of the world population thinks that the responsibility that is put in the hands of Mr. Bush isn't being handled very well.

I'm not saying that non-americans don't have any hope in americans, or that they think that they're doomed or banned to be ignorant and enslaved their whole life, what i'm saying is that, at the moment, The Rest Of The World needs to see the light of hope coming from the golden country be a bit shinier.

It would be good.


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Re: January 20th, Protests, Inauguration [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3613453 - 01/11/05 04:39 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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the impression i came away with was riots on inauguration day.

quote " will the people run, or will they stand and fight?




see, you're inaccurate impressions are not the same as "these guys are calling for RIOTS on inauguration day." You're really stretching if you think ANSWER is calling for riots. See, I am quite familiar with ANSWER. I have been to their demos and I have interfaced with their organizers - they are incredibly against protest violence. They are against Black Bloc tactics and agressive direct action. They do support non-violent protest tactics, but this is certainly does not mean "riot" - quite the contrary.

Now, this does not make ANWSER some sort of benevolent organization. They'd rather have people join and donate to their core party, because that is their essential agenda.


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Re: January 20th, Protests, Inauguration [Re: exclusive58]
    #3613495 - 01/11/05 04:47 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

See, I was involved in the anti-globalization movement in the late 90s and early 00s. We were violent - I, myself, particpated in street combat with police and property damage. I was teargassed and shot at with rubber bullets in Quebec City and fought back with molovs and rocks, for one example. Well, I am older now and looking back, I realize we accomplished very little. The focus of attention was toward the violence (although just at use - very little was said of police violence - and that was 10x worse than what we did). Seriously, all that resulted from those days was more police demonstration crackdown, massive police surveillance, and "free-speech zones". The actual issues of global economic justice were forgotten.

I do not think violence is the answer anymore. Demonstrations are not the answer - they are just spectacles and feel-good actions that rarely ever acutally accomplish anything. That doesnt mean we should never gather together and collectively speak out, that just means we should not solely focus our activities around the demonstration; we should not place faith in the demonstration. We need to actually create shadow economies and local power - we need to break away and evolve.


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Re: January 20th, Protests, Inauguration [Re: Vvellum]
    #3613650 - 01/11/05 05:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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bi0 said:
See, I was involved in the anti-globalization movement in the late 90s and early 00s. We were violent - I, myself, particpated in street combat with police and property damage. I was teargassed and shot at with rubber bullets in Quebec City and fought back with molovs and rocks, for one example. Well, I am older now and looking back, I realize we accomplished very little. The focus of attention was toward the violence (although just at use - very little was said of police violence - and that was 10x worse than what we did). Seriously, all that resulted from those days was more police demonstration crackdown, massive police surveillance, and "free-speech zones". The actual issues of global economic justice were forgotten.

I do not think violence is the answer anymore. Demonstrations are not the answer - they are just spectacles and feel-good actions that rarely ever acutally accomplish anything. That doesnt mean we should never gather together and collectively speak out, that just means we should not solely focus our activities around the demonstration; we should not place faith in the demonstration. We need to actually create shadow economies and local power - we need to break away and evolve.




Geesh, Canada definately needs Fox News as well as free speech. I'm pro-globalization because it makes me rich. Thanks for all the oil and natural gas you send to us. BTW, I recently bought some shares of Petrofund and Pengrowth Canadian oil and gas trusts. The dividends are over 10%.


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Re: January 20th, Protests, Inauguration [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3613663 - 01/11/05 05:26 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: January 20th, Protests, Inauguration [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3613669 - 01/11/05 05:27 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

did I ever say I was canadian?
again, you're an idiot.


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Re: January 20th, Protests, Inauguration [Re: exclusive58]
    #3614481 - 01/11/05 08:41 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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I hope these protests will end up violent enough and/or with enough protesters in DC(200,000-300,000 would be cool) for the world media and world population to give them some good attention. If there's only like 10,000 that would really suck.




So you want violence? That would sure get a lot of support for the protesters.

What exactly are they protesting anyway? The inauguration or an elected president?


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Re: January 20th, Protests, Inauguration [Re: Vvellum]
    #3617846 - 01/12/05 01:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I realize we accomplished very little.

One may never know the totality of the effect on the world of one's actions. And plus, maybe you would have accomplished even less had you not expressed your anger.

The actual issues of global economic justice were forgotten.


Ya the media tends to forget things very easily.

we need to break away and evolve.

Do you honestly believe we can break away without any violence?


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Re: January 20th, Protests, Inauguration [Re: exclusive58]
    #3617876 - 01/12/05 01:30 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

"So you want violence? That would sure get a lot of support for the protesters."

Depends on who's the most violent.
And anyways, I think attention is what is most needed, afterwards, hopefully the media will keep an objective view on the situation and not support one side in favor of the other. I believe that individuals should be free to choose which side they support without the media guiding them in suspectful manners...


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