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InvisibleSwami
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Rumors
    #3608185 - 01/10/05 04:44 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Is is spiritual to pass on rumors with the intent of damaging another? When those rumors turn out to be false, is it then just for the messenger to blame his/her sources for being faulty and abdigate all responsibility for harm?


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Re: Rumors [Re: Swami]
    #3608228 - 01/10/05 04:53 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I heard swami got this weird affection on greasing in his umbrella, and beat it against a brick wall :wink:

guess rumors are just that :wink:

:smirk: :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: Rumors [Re: Swami]
    #3608237 - 01/10/05 04:55 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Spreading false rumours is akin to telling lies. Find me a spiritual teaching that advocates lying.


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Re: Rumors [Re: Swami]
    #3608257 - 01/10/05 04:57 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I think passing on rumours of any kind without verifying them is unspiritual. By passing a rumor on, people are mostly trying to compensate for something they are not.


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Re: Rumors [Re: Alan Stone]
    #3608335 - 01/10/05 05:10 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

yes


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Re: Rumors [Re: Sinbad]
    #3608357 - 01/10/05 05:13 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I can't find you such a teaching, but I can point to "service-to-others" teacher that disclaims any responsibility and ill intent for hurt inflicted. Seems too many are good at preaching, yet are unable to follow their own tenets.


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Re: Rumors [Re: Swami]
    #3608432 - 01/10/05 05:24 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

but if you were to contrive your own religion and belief system that only allowed passing into a favorable afterlife by insulting others would you be wrong in that thought??
if yes who says??
you say???
who the fuck are you to tell other people what they can and cannot believe and or think???

just a thought, not saying that i personally adhere to any of that, just to give you a different look at it is all.


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Re: Rumors [Re: Swami]
    #3608460 - 01/10/05 05:29 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

But I doubt anyone spreads rumours here with full knowledge that they are untrue.
They spread it because they believe in them.


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Re: Rumors [Re: skystone]
    #3608480 - 01/10/05 05:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

^^^^^^^^^^
word yo


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Re: Rumors [Re: skystone]
    #3608520 - 01/10/05 05:38 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

But I doubt anyone spreads rumours here with full knowledge that they are untrue. They spread it because they believe in them.

Is that justification? If one member here tells me that another likes under-aged girls (or whatever) should I be free to post that?

They spread them BECAUSE IT FITS INTO ONE'S AGENDA. Veracity is secondary.


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Re: Rumors [Re: incubaby_421]
    #3608524 - 01/10/05 05:38 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Their was a story of a Guru who told one of his discples that to gain enlightenment he had to kill 100 people and bring the heads and offer them at his feet.

Use your intelligence to figure out whether he got enlightenment!

Of course its debatable


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Re: Rumors [Re: Sinbad]
    #3608560 - 01/10/05 05:43 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i have three nipples!!!
theres a rumor for ya to spread!!


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Re: Rumors [Re: Swami]
    #3608601 - 01/10/05 05:48 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
But I doubt anyone spreads rumours here with full knowledge that they are untrue. They spread it because they believe in them.

Is that justification? If one member here tells me that another likes under-aged girls (or whatever) should I be free to post that?

They spread them BECAUSE IT FITS INTO ONE'S AGENDA. Veracity is secondary.




Well, chances are that you have never been in Africa, and you
spread around that there are lions in there. You don't KNOW that there
are lions, you believe that there are lions in Africa.

So I believe we all have a right to spread our beliefs

After all it's not like people's lives depend on results of debates made on this forum.


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Re: Rumors - a question of harmony is at hand [Re: Sinbad]
    #3608673 - 01/10/05 06:03 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

there are teachings about smiling
one should not show their teeth.

rumours fall under point # IV:
I. The Way to the End of Suffering
II. Right View
III. Right Intentions
IV. Right Speech, Right Action, and Right Livelihood
V. Right Effort
VI. Right Mindfulness
VII. Right Concentration
VIII. The Development of Wisdom

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Re: Rumors - a question of harmony is at hand [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3608694 - 01/10/05 06:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Rumors are like trying, one could always believe it and say it.
when it comes to doing it, and testing it, it crumbles.

(I don't feel like posting this, but i do it anyways)


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Re: Rumors [Re: skystone]
    #3608780 - 01/10/05 06:26 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

skystone said:

After all it's not like people's lives depend on results of debates made on this forum.




You would be suprised for how many it does.  They think its how you get to the truth. Who's truth? :confused: They all read like power struggles to me.

Swami, let me ask you, how is having the intention in a debate to find or create in anothers argument or character to discredit them so others will not listen to them or think well of them so they can be deemed diregardable, any different from spreading rumors?

The intention looks the same to me.

What is being spiritual? What is acting in good will for the whole? You think damaging peoples beleifs helps them and you are doing it in good will in your mind.

If you think someone was out to damage others beliefs about you was bad and nonspiritual, maybe they were acting to disillusion others about you in the interest of good will towards the whole of the shroomery.

Whats the difference in the end? Should people be allowed to paint the pictures of themselves and the world if they wish to without others causing damage to their art work or not? Because if you say not to save and preserve your own art then you have to stop it too lest you become known as a hypocrite who says do as I say and not as I do.


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Re: Rumors [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3609154 - 01/10/05 07:50 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Nice commingling. Posting a lie has nothing to do with exposing an error.

You think damaging peoples beleifs helps them and you are doing it in good will in your mind.
The truth cannot be harmed and faulty beliefs can indeed be harmful.

If you think someone was out to damage others beliefs about you was bad and nonspiritual, maybe they were acting to disillusion others about you in the interest of good will towards the whole of the shroomery.
This sort of rationalization is wrong and leads to wars and crusades. See my LOCKED thread about how the truth does not need any help to achieve the end.



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Re: Rumors [Re: Swami]
    #3609192 - 01/10/05 08:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I was not talking about the lie or the error.

Nice diversion from the question.

I asked you about the intentions of discrediting something to break down delusional beliefs others have for the good of the whole and what the difference was?

What is the difference in intention of doing so? You move to break down delusional beliefs that you think may lead others to joining heavens gate cults and the person you are referring to about spreading rumors was disillusion others who joined the swami cult.

maybe you had no intention of creating a cult following here, even though you made a puppet to recruit people in PMs and on the board, but someone saw you brainwashing others into joining a cult like movement and had intentions of breaking others from their delusions about you.

The intentions NOT THE MEANS but the intentions are the same and for the same cause. I see no difference regarding your intentions or goal or the others looking out for the good will of a larger group of people easily influenced by someone charismatic.

The difference between the intentions is what I was addressing and asking you about.


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Edited by gettinjiggywithit (01/10/05 08:06 PM)


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Re: Rumors [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3609212 - 01/10/05 08:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I had to edit the first sentence. I meant to write that i was NOT talking about the error versus a lie, but rather the intention behind disillusioning people.


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Re: Rumors [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3610305 - 01/11/05 12:14 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

what about my third nipple?


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