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Offlinekadakuda
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Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm
    #3605523 - 01/09/05 11:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

from teh PA&l Forum but i got no answers.

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kadakuda said:
direct from teh fed's web site

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Mescaline (3,4,5--trimethoxybenzeneethanamine) and any salt thereof, but not peyote (lophophora)





so what about trichs? or the other lesser known mesc carrying cacti? im looking for concrete info with a source please. to me this looks liek ANYTHING that has mesc in it is illegal except peyote (lophophora). so anyhting in that genus really. but it mentions nothing about the many other species in different genus'.

i go this from
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-38.8/37187.html

its by the bottom in schedual 3, number 17.



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All cacti are legal here as long as they are not used as a container for mescaline.

You must be growing them as a plant, and not as a drug. (Having any equipment to do an extraction might be enough to convict you, but IANAL)



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that was also my understanding. BUT they do not exclude trichs. only loph's....so then if they fealt the need they could give you shit for growing these, no? why would they only mention peyote when there are very well known other sources?

this has really started to interest me as it has no mention of the other species, but ya.





anyoen got any sources of anything that says either way if non peyote mescaline carriers are legal? i know the probably are legal, but i cant get my mind around why they would ONLY say "except peyote" and not add the others that are jsut as commonly, if nto moreso, used (in canada).


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: kadakuda]
    #3605564 - 01/09/05 11:28 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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from teh PA&l Forum but i got no answers.

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things that are illegal
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17.
Mescaline (3,4,5--trimethoxybenzeneethanamine) and any salt thereof, but not peyote (lophophora)





anyoen got any sources of anything that says either way if non peyote mescaline carriers are legal? i know the probably are legal, but i cant get my mind around why they would ONLY say "except peyote" and not add the others that are jsut as commonly, if nto moreso, used (in canada).







1. It says peyote is legal
2. If it doesn't say that it is illegal, it is legal
3. I just answered your question but I like uneven prime numbers


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: blink]
    #3605573 - 01/09/05 11:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

LOL @ #3 :smile:


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: kadakuda]
    #3605580 - 01/09/05 11:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Both trichs and peyote are legal in Canada. Once you alter it in some way, then you can get in some trouble.


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: theocean06]
    #3605597 - 01/09/05 11:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Both trichs and peyote are legal in Canada. Once you alter it in some way, then you can get in some trouble.





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All cacti are legal here as long as they are not used as a container for mescaline.

You must be growing them as a plant, and not as a drug. (Having any equipment to do an extraction might be enough to convict you, but IANAL)







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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: blink]
    #3605617 - 01/09/05 11:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

ok ok i'll go with that :smile: 

"2. If it doesn't say that it is illegal, it is legal"

what still makes me confused though is why they decide to put in that peyote is legal.  and not mention the other species.  jsut strikes me a strange.


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: kadakuda]
    #3605640 - 01/09/05 11:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Probably because it is so well known, where San Pedro isn't.  Also, many other countries have peyote as illegal, and so maybe they are making a point to say it is legal :shrug:


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: theocean06]
    #3605648 - 01/09/05 11:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

our government...always messin with our heads. or my head at least.


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: kadakuda]
    #3605659 - 01/09/05 11:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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ok ok i'll go with that :smile: 

"2. If it doesn't say that it is illegal, it is legal"

what still makes me confused though is why they decide to put in that peyote is legal.  and not mention the other species.  jsut strikes me a strange.




Research the history of Peyote in Canada.  It's legal because the naitives said "don't make it illegal"...Kinda funny because it's not very common (or even existant) up here cause of our cold winters.  Whatever.

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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: blink]
    #3605769 - 01/10/05 12:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:  but there are reports of canadian tribes makign the hike south for it.  i'll hug my coast salish today, that'll have to do :smile:  plus they got some killer mushroom fields....

damnit.  bugs me when things go like this.  yar.


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: kadakuda]
    #3611922 - 01/11/05 11:32 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

you only provided a quick snippet, what's the preamble to that section with the listing of illegal things.

Cause i'd take it, it says something like "the following are illegal"
Mescaline, but not peyote

So it says mescaline is illegal but peyote is not.


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: neuro]
    #3614519 - 01/11/05 09:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yes that is all it says.

in full it is this:

17.
Mescaline (3,4,5--trimethoxybenzeneethanamine) and any salt thereof, but not peyote (lophophora)

pretty weak ass law eh? see my confusion....

here is a screen shot if you cannot find it from that link....its near teh bottom.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-38.8/37187.html



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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: kadakuda]
    #3615754 - 01/12/05 01:47 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

so you can have peyote but not mescaline salt.


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: neuro]
    #3615875 - 01/12/05 02:19 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

what does that mean? jsut the refined crystal?

they use "..or any salt thereof." for most of those things.


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: kadakuda]
    #3615936 - 01/12/05 02:38 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I know a couple places in toronto that sell peyote...its def available...same places sell all diff types of weed seeds...if I'm allowed I'll give the name of the place and the website


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #3615956 - 01/12/05 02:45 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i got plants growing, but thanks :smile:

i was jsut curious as to the exact legality.  the way they worded it confused me....a lot!  :smirk:


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: kadakuda]
    #3616051 - 01/12/05 03:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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what does that mean? jsut the refined crystal?

they use "..or any salt thereof." for most of those things.




I'm sure crude extractions are illegal too, but yeah any salt of mescaline, Mescaline HCl, Mescaline HBr, Mescaline SO4..etc..etc..


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Re: Canadian Law and the Magical Cacti...3rd time the charm [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #3624414 - 01/13/05 07:12 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I know a couple places in toronto that sell peyote...its def available...same places sell all diff types of weed seeds...if I'm allowed I'll give the name of the place and the website




I know of which store you speak of. They have SP and peyote in the front window. San pedros are about 60-70 bucks for a foot and a half. peyote buttons are 70 each. SOunds like a ripoff to me (maybe not so much the SP but the peyote is definetely). They sell salvia, HBWR and other shite too.


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