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Re: Level 5 [Re: MeThoD]
    #3621008 - 01/12/05 11:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

god damn these post are long!


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Re: Level 5 [Re: MeThoD]
    #3621144 - 01/13/05 12:20 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

That's a high level 4.


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Re: Level 5 [Re: cadam]
    #3622465 - 01/13/05 08:35 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i finally agree with you about something cadam.even though you know nothing about it personally.you cannot hit a level 5 and stay there unless you take a high dose(5+dry grams).if you can focus enough to meditate,your not at a level 5.level 5 is so far past meditation there is no scale to measure it by.


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Re: Level 5 [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #3622788 - 01/13/05 11:45 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Like others have said, it isn't about the dose, it's about *YOU*. For some people, "the goal" is to reach a level five trip...if they keep up this attitude they'll need one hell of a dose, and it likely *won't* be an enjoyable experience. You can't desire a level five trip as a goal because that emplies there's an "I" that desires it. It's this very "I" that's completely dissolved in level five trips.

The key word is *surrender*. Many people want level five trips, but are they willing to surrender every single thing they've ever worked for, all their desires and accomplishments, and the entire world around them? Are they willing to accept that it's all merely symbolism, pointing to something greater? To experience this greatness, you must move beyond the symbolism.

If you want to have a level five trip to prove to yourself or others that you can handle it, then it'll blow up in your face, guaranteed, per the very nature of the dynamics of the trip. Ego loss is about *DEATH* and can be very scary if you cling to life, or more accurately, physical human life where your consciousness is independant from others'. If this seems scary to you then first work to overcome death, to surrender your need for life to the fundamental consciousness in which there is no distinction between you and I. You don't really exist, you know.

Once you've given up all these trivial goals, then you can experience the bliss of ego death. Just be clear what it emplies: individuality is limiting, confining, and perverting; life is suffering; death is blissful liberation.

Life is wonderful!!!! :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2:


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Re: Level 5 [Re: the_phoenix]
    #3623625 - 01/13/05 04:05 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i think skull farmer has finally understood my point! I personalyl think that the level system is simply something you cannot control, a pure level 5 trip to me is something you can not turn backwards, you can not snap out of it, your stuck, not.............oh let me get a can of coke for abit and then i will go back to my level 5 :P


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Re: Level 5 [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #3625203 - 01/13/05 09:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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skullfarmer1979 said:
i finally agree with you about something cadam.even though you know nothing about it personally.you cannot hit a level 5 and stay there unless you take a high dose(5+dry grams).if you can focus enough to meditate,your not at a level 5.level 5 is so far past meditation there is no scale to measure it by.




first off. Meditation takes place prior to the trip and during the come up. You meditate to clear the mind. A clear mind will be devoid of self. This allows one to catapult up into a level 5 trip easier.
Meditation was not possible once level 5 was reached. But then again, it wasn't needed.

If you hit a level 5 you must stay there for some length of time. I'm not sure what you mean by not being able to stay there except on larger doses. If you are there, then time will elapse and you will stay there for at least some duration of time.


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Re: Level 5 [Re: jux]
    #3627502 - 01/14/05 08:35 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i was talking about the way some people are saying they can hit a level 5 on 3 or so grams and can come down when they want to.if you take 5+ grams,you can forget about coming down when you want to.


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Re: Level 5 [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #3627854 - 01/14/05 12:42 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

To tell the truth none of us can say for sure how 5+ grams will affect someone. More than likely, it will blow you away and you will be up in level five for what seems like an eternity, so there is not reason to say how long you were there.  Time doesn't mean anything in the here and now. If they were very shitty shrooms, you could trip for like an hour or two and be left with a dissapointed feeling. This whole thread kind of seems like people are arguing different things, and things that are impossible to argue about. Though there have been some good posts on here, this thread is ultimately all jumbled up. :rolleyes:


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Re: Level 5 [Re: cadam]
    #3629489 - 01/14/05 08:04 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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cadam said:
I understand that, but what your saying is that some peopel can take 2 grams and loose complete connectivity with reality all together, I very much doubt it! :P




been there....well, 2.5 grams actually. theres alot more variables involved in determining the intensity of a trip than just size of your dose. i learned that during this trip.


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Re: Level 5 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #3631245 - 01/15/05 03:28 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

The only time i have had a level 5 trip is when i had 5-meo.


Edited by luckygat (01/15/05 03:29 PM)


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Re: Level 5 [Re: luckygat]
    #3631922 - 01/15/05 06:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

you should try "Level: sideways" it is far beyond level 1-5, and no, you cant reach it with only 3 dried grams.

I agree with cadam, no matter how potent the mushrooms are, 3 dried grams isnt going to get you to a lvl 5 state by itself. Maybe the use of an MAOI or some other psycho drug has something to do with these miraculous 3 gram lvl 5's.


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Re: Level 5 [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #3631959 - 01/15/05 06:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

So how come meditation get you to a level 5 along with 0.0 grams?


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Re: Level 5 [Re: Psiledehysp]
    #3631996 - 01/15/05 06:54 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

are you saying that meditation has a rating scale also??!have we gone rate crazy?if you can achive a level 5 shroom trip on o.oog shrooms you might need to get your head checked.


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Re: Level 5 [Re: Psiledehysp]
    #3632019 - 01/15/05 06:58 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

in my experiences, meditation tripping and mushroom tripping aren't the same. Just like acid trips, and mushrooms trips aren't anywhere the same, one is digital, one is analog. If i could reach the same results with just meditation, i wouldnt go through the effort of growing and eating mushrooms. Mushrooms give me an angle on presumed reality and perceptions that i cant attain with just meditation.


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Re: Level 5 [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #3632023 - 01/15/05 06:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Thanx for a kind words, As for scale, 1 - 4 is a psychedelics specific scale, no doubt. But level 5 is not about halucinations etc. but it is egodeath, as in meditation but differently. I guess with mushrooms you can get a lot of confusion and other things that are just side effects. What makes level 5 a true level 5 can be - as I see it - achived in meditation.

But what do I know anyway...


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Re: Level 5 [Re: Psiledehysp]
    #3632032 - 01/15/05 07:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

But experienced people say that with meditation they get where they couldnt go with just psychedelics :smile:


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Re: Level 5 [Re: Psiledehysp]
    #3632047 - 01/15/05 07:04 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

By the way, its time for my meditation, so~I`ll go now - I`v just started 4 days ago so I`m not there yet, but I have written above from my limited understanding of what meditation is and what a level 5 experience is.


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    #3632074 - 01/15/05 07:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Level 5 [Re: ]
    #3632426 - 01/15/05 08:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Right.
Agreeing with Cadam shows how much experience you have with it.
You cannot tell PsiloPsychic and I the experiences we had we not what we thought. I have been there, to the outer reaches, they look so far, cause when you get far enough, you are back where you were. And yes, using something I like to call kick ass cubensis mushrooms, you can get to any level you want on a solid three dried grams. The trick is, having experience. For most people, it takes a whole lot more than three grams to break their ego. They complain of only tripping a little on a low dose and being irritated at not getting good "visuals," as if those mattered. The effects of psilocybin can sometimes be very subtle and some people need a huge amount to blow themselves away. This is misleading cause you do not need this kind of dose any more. You can achieve the same with a smaller amount. As was said before, try it before you knock it.


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Re: Level 5 [Re: mecreateme]
    #3632981 - 01/15/05 10:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Zirus...i dont see why'audiotory' is the lvl4 atribute

i ate only a third of an eigth and the first thing i noticed was that what turned out to be a bassrattling subwoofer, was to me, a horse raspberrying (or whatever that sound is called... neying?)

but since i havnt had a lvl4, maybe i dun understand


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