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OfflineFrog
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Re: Imperial America [Re: daimyo]
    #3601661 - 01/09/05 01:20 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

You're right.  I read "civil war" into your hypothetical, for some reason.

Okay, no, that would be wrong.  I could not support a president who said that we were taking over the world, and to us go the spoils from each country we conquered. 

Did I answer it this time?  :grin:


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Re: Imperial America [Re: Frog]
    #3601691 - 01/09/05 01:27 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Close lol. No taking over the world though. And no spoils from the countries.
Removal of leaders, governments, terrorist cells with hostile intentions towards our country. Spoils come from said hostiles.
An example...Bin Laden says he wants to do the US harm. We go after him and try to kill him and his network. Throughout this process we seize his(and his associates) funds and assests and use them to further fund our removal of other hostiles, never explicitly declaring war on a country or its people.


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Re: Imperial America [Re: daimyo]
    #3601708 - 01/09/05 01:33 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Gee, you mean kind of like what's happening right now?  :tongue:


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Re: Imperial America [Re: daimyo]
    #3601710 - 01/09/05 01:34 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

But your explicit question was: "How would you feel if President Bush came out and said the equivalent of "We are now an empire with full intentions to expand."?

Bush has never said we have intention to expand. He is just battling terrorism. (Assuming that this is true, for the sake of the questions in the first post.)


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Re: Imperial America [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #3601735 - 01/09/05 01:42 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly like what is starting to happen right now :wink: 


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Re: Imperial America [Re: Frog]
    #3601736 - 01/09/05 01:43 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

That was one of my questions in the first post, but my explicit question to you was "Would you support the President? Why or Why not?". No civil war, no taking over the world.
In other words, would you, or would you not, support the President of the United States of America if he were to declare a PERMENANT doctrine of preemption? Why or why not?


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Re: Imperial America [Re: daimyo]
    #3601747 - 01/09/05 01:47 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I think you are asking a trick question because of what Bush is doing in Iraq.  :grin:

However, I don't think that the U.S. has declared a doctrine of preemption.

If he were to directly declare such a thing, I don't know what I would do.  I don't know enough to  know if this would be a good or a bad thing.

I've never made a good stooge.  Go pick on someone else.  :grin:


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Re: Imperial America [Re: Frog]
    #3601766 - 01/09/05 01:52 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, here's the short answer, and I think the one you're looking for-

No, I would not support the president if he were to make such an announcement.  The reason being, because he is supposed to represent the entire country, and it is not up to him to declare such a direction for the country without the consent of the majority.

Now, if he were to PERSONALLY try to claim power and take such an action, I'm willing to bet our own government would take him down faster than you could bat an eye.  In fact, we (the public at large) probably wouldn't even know what happened until it was over- the walls have eyes and ears, so I'm told..  :grin:


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Re: Imperial America [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #3601781 - 01/09/05 01:56 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Drink_Punk_Soda said:
Ok, here's the short answer, and I think the one you're looking for-

No, I would not support the president if he were to make such an announcement. The reason being, because he is supposed to represent the entire country, and it is not up to him to declare such a direction for the country without the consent of the majority.



That's the style of answer I am after. Who else out there has an opinion?


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Re: Imperial America [Re: daimyo]
    #3601831 - 01/09/05 02:07 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Open to all:
When does a country have the right to preemptively attack?
What, if anything, is morally wrong with preemption?


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Re: Imperial America [Re: daimyo]
    #3601966 - 01/09/05 02:48 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I will kill you all.


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Re: Imperial America [Re: zorbman]
    #3602084 - 01/09/05 03:31 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Not if I kill you first.. with my PREEMPTIVE STRIKE.

Biotch!  :evil:


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