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why is it that with every huge tradegy
    #3601154 - 01/09/05 01:22 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

the religous kooks come out of the woodwork and say that it is some huge sign from god ...people actually believe it too... people scare me


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3601297 - 01/09/05 01:47 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The kinder, gentler Swami suggests you not use the word "kooks". Perhaps Armageddonists might suffice...


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3601324 - 01/09/05 01:52 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

:whocares:


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: ld50negative1]
    #3601339 - 01/09/05 01:55 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: ld50negative1]
    #3601343 - 01/09/05 01:56 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Now, now LD. King asked a legitimate, if slightly baiting, question. Mocking him is not showing your best side, now is it?


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: Swami]
    #3601362 - 01/09/05 02:01 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

well the people ive seen speak out about the tsunami being from god are along the lines of pat robertsom, fallwell and the god hates fags family.... those are grade A kooks....kooks of the highest order


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3601364 - 01/09/05 02:02 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Why didn't you know? God smites unbelievers...just read the old testament. A LOT of "smiting" takes place.


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3601371 - 01/09/05 02:03 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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the religous kooks come out of the woodwork and say that it is some huge sign from god ...people actually believe it too... people scare me




There ARE people who think that huge tragedies mean that God is somehow punishing us.  I don't believe this is so.  I guess it just shows that people can be superstitious.

People have been predicting the end of the world since Jesus left.  That's 2000+ years that the world is ending, with each new calamotous even.  (Is "calamotous" a word?) 

Even Christians cannot predict the end of the world.  And natural disasters are just that, "natural" disasters.  They've been occuring since the Earth was a twinkle in God's eye.  :grin:


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: Swami]
    #3601390 - 01/09/05 02:09 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

No it's not really, but I am just a little overcome with apathy at the moment.

but..

Maybe people are a little over zealous.. stupid maybe

but maybe they're right?

Who knows?


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3601397 - 01/09/05 02:10 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Can you give a list of kooks from lowest to highest order?


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: Frog]
    #3601400 - 01/09/05 02:10 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Even Christians cannot predict the end of the world. And natural disasters are just that, "natural" disasters. They've been occuring since the Earth was a twinkle in God's eye.





But when natural disasters begin to occur more frequently...


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: ld50negative1]
    #3601422 - 01/09/05 02:15 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

First, go get some kind of scientific log that has kept track of natural disasters since scientists were able to keep track of such.  Then, tell me that recently, we are having natural disasters on a much more frequent scale then EVER in the history of the Earth. 

The worst disaster ever was when a comet or meteor or whatever hit the earth and started the ice age.  God didn't come then, did he?  Was someone being punished?  Nope. 

Christians who say that natural disasters are a sign of the end of the world don't know their bible very well.  Jesus specifically said that we would not know when he was returning.  A few natural disasters, as have been occuring since the Earth was prepubescent, aren't indicative of the end of the world.

And if it's the end of the world, hallejuh!  Maybe it's time for it to end.  :grin:


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: Swami]
    #3601446 - 01/09/05 02:20 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Can you give a list of kooks from lowest to highest order?





hmmm i think mormons are probably top of the list and on the bottom would be people with sense, like say...darwin


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3601463 - 01/09/05 02:24 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I would stop short of dismissing a religion with a long history of tradition as just a bunch of kooks. In my experience I have found Mormons to be among the finest people I've met with exceedingly high moral standards. I don't want to be one...but they aren't stupid or evil.


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3601470 - 01/09/05 02:26 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i disagree...they believe some things that are just plain stupid...things that have been disproved...basically things that just didnt happen...they have disgusting racist beliefs that indians/blacks are that color because they were evil. fuck morons..err mormons


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3601496 - 01/09/05 02:36 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

New York Times

Mountain Meadows, a two-hour drive from one of the state's popular tourist destinations, Zion National Park, is the site of what the historian Geoffrey Ward has called "the most hideous example of the human cost exacted by religious fanaticism in American history until 9/11." And while it might not be a major tourist destination, for a century and a half the massacre at Mountain Meadows has been the focus of passionate debate among Mormons and the people of Utah. It is a debate that cuts to the core of the basic tenets of Mormonism. This, the darkest stain on the history of the religion, is a bitter reality and challenging predicament for a modern Mormon Church struggling to shed its extremist history.

On Sept. 11, 1857, in a meadow in southwestern Utah, a militia of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or Mormons, attacked a wagon train of Arkansas families bound for California. After a five-day siege, the militia persuaded the families to surrender under a flag of truce and a pledge of safe passage. Then, in the worst butchery of white pioneers by other white pioneers in the entire colonization of America, approximately 140 men, women and children were slaughtered. Only 17 children under the age of 8 - the age of innocence in the Mormon faith - were spared.

After the massacre, the church first claimed that local Paiute Indians were responsible, but as evidence of Mormon involvement mounted, it placed the sole blame for the killings on John D. Lee, a militia member and a Mormon zealot who was also the adopted son of the prophet Brigham Young. After nearly two decades, as part of a deal for statehood, Lee was executed by a firing squad in 1877. The church has been reluctant to assume responsibility - labelling Lee a renegade - but several historians, including some who are Mormon, believe that church leaders, though never prosecuted, ordered the massacre.


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3601531 - 01/09/05 02:47 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I'm with Hue,
They may have some views that seem very out of wack with the rest of the world but I see no reason to condemn them for it. Any cultures views could be considered extreme from anyone else's view point. Mormons are reliable and trustworthy. The US military actually openly recruits Mormons for secret ops and top secret posts. I highly respect them.

Back to subject:
In concurrence with Frog on the grander scale we are not really seeing any out of norm natural disaster. I think it is more that we as humans are eroding nature making normal disasters more dangerous. In the case of the 'boxing day tsunami' (I love this quote, Toronto Star) areas that did not have their coral reefs and mangrove forests depleted were not as damaged as more populated areas. This is according to an article on NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4275393 , I believe that is the story I got the info from. As well as people destroying natural wave-breaks and such, there are just more people in the way of these things, and living in lesser quality housing.

Some how if God were coming I think we would know, did not the races of the past know. Actually a question to the class, did they know before the coming or did they surmise after the events?

Have a safe journey through life,
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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: Frog]
    #3601630 - 01/09/05 03:13 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The recent Tsuswami really did have people believing it was the end.  :smirk:


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: Swami]
    #3601648 - 01/09/05 03:17 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Swami said:
The recent Tsuswami really did have people believing it was the end.  :smirk:




Only temporarily. 

:grin:


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Re: why is it that with every huge tradegy [Re: Frog]
    #3601692 - 01/09/05 03:28 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I felt worse after 9/11 and the end of the world then after the tsnami.

In terms of impact on the global society, which do you think hit harder? 9//1 had it's obvious fallout, but tsnami is shedign a lot of light on areas of thailand that the government did not want seen. As well this is putting a lot of pressure on different countries to ahve to work together.


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