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Mescaline Salting *DELETED*
    #3595274 - 01/07/05 09:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Mescaline Salting [Re: dblaney]
    #3597696 - 01/08/05 11:02 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

No ya don't.

You add dilute acid to the freebase full non-polar solvent, separate and evaporate the aqueous phase.

If you add acidic water to the basic 'soup' you'll just re-acidify it, won't ya?  :smirk:

Like i have repeated countless times the last couple of days, you don't need to calculate the equimolar amounts if you use HCl. For the simple reason that if you use too much it'll just evaporate.

If you are not a chemist or have no experience with a/b extration use HCl.
If you are a chemist or know how to clean your mesc well use sulphuric acid.

Don't use shitty weak acids please. And use the teks at the nook! The erowid tek sucks IMHO. That's why you regularly see people either confused or failing their attempts - most used the erowid tek.

Recommending citric acid to newbies is stupid and only demostrates it cannot be based on actual experience.


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Re: Mescaline Salting *DELETED* [Re: esin]
    #3597762 - 01/08/05 11:47 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Mescaline Salting *DELETED* [Re: dblaney]
    #3597822 - 01/08/05 12:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Mescaline Salting [Re: dblaney]
    #3598023 - 01/08/05 01:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Naptha will work fine.


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Re: Mescaline Salting [Re: dblaney]
    #3598080 - 01/08/05 01:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

1. Any NPS will do. As Stonehenge said naphta will be fine.
The reason people commonly use xylene is that it is very cheap and and usually clean. Unlike naphta which is expensive and usually dirty (where i live, at least).

2. Probably, unless your bags are LDPE (or HDPE). Naphta can also melt some plastics...It ruined a very useful 60ml syringe i had.


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Re: Mescaline Salting *DELETED* [Re: esin]
    #3599729 - 01/08/05 07:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Mescaline Salting [Re: dblaney]
    #3603570 - 01/09/05 03:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Emulsions eventually resolve given enough time.

If they don't a pinch or two of table salt can help.
If that doesn't work, a hot water bath on your flask/jar can do wonders, but you obviously have to keep in mind that sudden temp changes will brake glass. And you have to keep the lid unscrewed during the process to vent pressure.

If even that doesn't work, separate the layer you intend to keep along with the emulsion. Let stand in fridge and decant clear solvent on top.
If you than want to be really anal about it and recover the last bit of alkaloid solvent keep the dirty solvent/emulsion in the bottom, add basic water to it and if necessary more solvent. You should be able to recover almost 100% of the goodies in the emulsion that way.

It works with mesc as well, but i'd recommend a higher PH than 11 in your wash water.


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Re: Mescaline Salting *DELETED* [Re: esin]
    #3613796 - 01/11/05 06:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Mescaline Salting [Re: dblaney]
    #3616960 - 01/12/05 09:03 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Weird. I am a bit confused by your post. So my post is probably also gonna be confusing. My mother language isn't english.

Answer my questions and better help probably can be given.

1.So, you washed your NP solvent with basic water.

2.Than tried to salt the mesc out, but it formed emulsion.
The only reason i can see an emulsion forming at this step is because you shoke the bejesus out of it. This wasn't necessary. A steady swirl for 5 minutes, letting stand for another 5, and another steady swirl for 5 mins should be enough for your phases to reach equilibrium.

3.And you added this acidic emulsion to your basic wash water? Or the basic 'cactus soup'?
This probably lowered the PH of your basic water, eventually making it so some mesc could be retained in the polar phase. Add some more lye to that stuff and extract with xylene. Salt out by swirling, not shaking.

4.So the second salting out pass (the one with no emulsion) in your xylene yielded salty powder? Was it the same xylene as last pass, or new xylene separated from the cactus soup?
Well, sorry but that is table salt, eventually with traces of mesc. Either throw it out or save it to eat when you dose.

4.1) If you used the same xylene from last time, all mesc could have been stuck in the previous emulsion not leaving any on the NPS for you to salt out.

4.2) If you used new xylene from the cactus soup it could have been b/c you added acid emulsion to cactus soup lowering its Ph (unlikely). Or maybe your starting material is just impotent.

5.And the first emulsified pass yielded gunk?
This is weird. How did it exactly yield gunk?
Acid water should never extract gunk out of xylene.

Did you evap the whole emulsion?

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That tar-like substance is probably the result of evaporating emulsion. If you mixed acid with base it should contain mescaline HCl or freebase or both, NaCl, and either unreacted lye or unreacted HCl. Probably also some solvent. DO NOT TASTE IT OR EAT IT.

Rather disolve it in some lye water, extract with NPS, separate, salt out by swirling.

Perhaps you should ask this question over at the Nook in Ion's Virtual Lab. They have lots of very experienced folks there that can help you much better than i can.


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Re: Mescaline Salting *DELETED* [Re: esin]
    #3618332 - 01/12/05 03:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Mescaline Salting [Re: dblaney]
    #3618852 - 01/12/05 05:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ok i understand ya now  :smile:

I assume what you call basic solution is the cactus/lye goop.

I thought you were speaking about the salting out step.

Ok, first off the xylene needs to sit in the basic cactus goop for much longer than 30mins. You notice in most teks at the nook it sits for at least one day.

[this is probably the reason your yield was just salt in pan A :wink:]

Second, you only recover the CLEAN xylene with no emulsion. Just let the emulsion sit there, all goodies there will be recovered later in further passes.

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Evaporating emulsion will obviously compromise your purity. Next time be more patient and don't do that.

Mescaline extractions do take a while, a lot more than DMT extractions. Cactus is stubborn to let go of its alkaloids.

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That gunk is probably safe to eat but i wouldn't, because

1)It prolly doesn't have much mesc in it
2)I'm not really sure it is harmless.

Just throw that stuff in your cactus/lye goop (i sincerely hope you still have it) and start over:

Add xylene, swirl, let sit 24h.
Separate only the CLEAN and CLEAR solvent, and salt out from it 2x.
Return the xylene into the cactus/lye goop.

Repeat until no more mesc comes out on evaporation. (i did it 6 times in my extraction, the 6th time my yield was just 20mg or so and i didn't bother extracting more).


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Re: Mescaline Salting [Re: esin]
    #3620380 - 01/12/05 09:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If you want to go all the way and make a more pure finished product try this,

http://forum.thenook.org/index.php?showtopic=29045

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Re: Mescaline Salting [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3622390 - 01/13/05 07:06 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Cool stuff!!


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Re: Mescaline Salting *DELETED* [Re: esin]
    #3713555 - 02/01/05 02:55 PM (12 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: Mescaline Salting [Re: dblaney]
    #3714792 - 02/01/05 07:58 PM (12 years, 25 days ago)

HCl?

You can make too strong a solution, which i believe would be harmless to your mesc (as long as it isn't HCl straight out of the bottle or something like that).

You can also add too much acid solution which would just cause you to have to wait longer for all the water/HCl to evap.

Keep in mind that HCl fumes are VERY corrosive (never smell the evaporation container, especially in the last stages of evaporation) so you want to use as less HCl as possible...

0,5ml HCl (28-35%) per cup of dH2O is more than enough for your purposes, probably overkill.

Be sure to use some heat to evap, at least in the final stages. Also make sure your mescaline smells kinda like nuts/honey, if it smells like HCl (mild bleach-like smell) place it under some heat till this smell goes away.


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Re: Mescaline Salting [Re: esin]
    #3714820 - 02/01/05 08:01 PM (12 years, 25 days ago)

Fantastic, thanks again for your help esin :smile:


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Re: Mescaline Salting [Re: esin]
    #3716727 - 02/02/05 01:15 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

I'm a big proponent of making seperate bottles of 1M solutions of everything.

That way, i know i put in so much HCl, it's at a pH of this now, that means i have this much mescaline-hcl or SO4 (preferred), plus this much free H+ , thus i'll need this amount of ml or L of NaOH solution to get what i want, then check the pH and if it's close then i'm good.

Doing all this eyeing out and using unknown concentrations is too much of a pain in the ass.

I'd say foreveryone to bite the bullet and learn some quick acid base chemistry and math, MaVa = MbVb type equations, and basic Titration techniques. Makes life easier in the end.


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