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OfflineTasty_Smurf_House
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Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk?
    #3593693 - 01/07/05 01:09 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

The music is good, but I don't know much about it. Also, what's with the mohawks and leather jackets and pins, and the pant's with all the leather sewn into this big patchy mess and etc.

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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #3593914 - 01/07/05 02:04 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

started ~ 1976 in three places at once. they all influenced each other, although they all claim to be the original. NYC, England, LA.

NYC = ramones, television, patti smith @ CBGBs +
LA = germs, weirdos, X, black randy, screamers @ the masque +
England = sex pistols, siouxsie sioux, clash

punk was a rebellion against hippie culture gone stale in the boring 70s. short, loud, fast, unpretentious, mean, sarcastic. "I hate pink floyd" tshirt of j. rotten.

fashion = influenced by the glam scene earlier in the decade (ny dolls, bowie, etc.) the point was to be ugly & shocking.

punk = DIY (do it yourself). independent labels, self-promotion. playing music not for money but for the love & fun. "get in the van motherfucker."

70s punk gave way to 80s hardcore.

poppunk = late 80s, early 90s backlash against hardcore.

poppunk goes mainstream and is absorbed the commodity culture of the spectacle. flash forward to today & you have ashlee simpson & TRL & Blink182 & Good Charalote, etc. etc.

read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_music

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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: Vvellum]
    #3595383 - 01/07/05 07:39 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Stupid people got together and decided they didn't understand prog rock since they were so stupid and they wanted to make music they could understand.

(note: there are some ok stuff in the genre, namely that done by the guys who used lots of LSD, but that is the general pattern in music. Some stuff by joe strummer is decent, and his later work with the mescaleros has some good stuff.)

Also note that the 'I don't need no drugs' straight edge asshole crowd started with punk.


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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: Vvellum]
    #3595742 - 01/07/05 08:48 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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bi0 said:
started ~ 1976 in three places at once. they all influenced each other, although they all claim to be the original. NYC, England, LA.

NYC = ramones, television, patti smith @ CBGBs +
LA = germs, weirdos, X, black randy, screamers @ the masque +
England = sex pistols, siouxsie sioux, clash

punk was a rebellion against hippie culture gone stale in the boring 70s. short, loud, fast, unpretentious, mean, sarcastic. "I hate pink floyd" tshirt of j. rotten.

fashion = influenced by the glam scene earlier in the decade (ny dolls, bowie, etc.) the point was to be ugly & shocking.

punk = DIY (do it yourself). independent labels, self-promotion. playing music not for money but for the love & fun. "get in the van motherfucker."

70s punk gave way to 80s hardcore.

poppunk = late 80s, early 90s backlash against hardcore.

poppunk goes mainstream and is absorbed the commodity culture of the spectacle. flash forward to today & you have ashlee simpson & TRL & Blink182 & Good Charalote, etc. etc.

read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_music




Don't forget about The Buzzcocks in the UK

Also, the Misfits were around in NYC in the late 70's @ CBGB's...they seemed to have a scarier crowd

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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: tomk]
    #3597689 - 01/08/05 08:59 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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Stupid people got together and decided they didn't understand prog rock since they were so stupid and they wanted to make music they could understand. 



:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: tomk]
    #3598696 - 01/08/05 01:48 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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tomk said:
Stupid people got together and decided prog rock was ghey and they wanted to make music they could understand.




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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: tomk]
    #3599903 - 01/08/05 06:04 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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Stupid people got together and decided they didn't understand prog rock since they were so stupid and they wanted to make music they could understand.




see, the kids who got into punkrock who so bored by the pretentious attitudes of "progressive rock" and the rockstar culture of the 1970s that they wanted something rebellious and sexy and youthful and egalitarian again - it was a throwback to early rocknroll and the height of the 1960s.

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Also note that the 'I don't need no drugs' straight edge asshole crowd started with punk.




...yes, as a reaction to the rampant and deadly herion and alcohol addictions that had plagued not only punk rock, but also the height of other youth movements. They wanted to progress and avoid these pitfalls. They wanted clear thought. Sure, there were some who sxe too far, but those in the vein of ian mackaye should be recognized for their integrity.

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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: Vvellum]
    #3600109 - 01/08/05 07:00 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Notice the person who defends punk rock has a swastika in their avatar.

Ian Mackaye needs to have a joint and a handful of mushrooms and listen to some king crimson or some tool is what I think.


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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: tomk]
    #3600154 - 01/08/05 07:12 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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Notice the person who defends punk rock has a swastika in their avatar.




Notice you're an idiot

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Ian Mackaye needs to have a joint and a handful of mushrooms and listen to some king crimson or some tool is what I think.




why?

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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: Vvellum]
    #3600172 - 01/08/05 07:16 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Hey now, let's be friends. Let's just agree that punk is dead and most artists who are straight edge suck. I don't know who Ian Mackaye is so I can't give my personal opinion. :wink:


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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: Adamist]
    #3600219 - 01/08/05 07:30 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

yes, punk is dead.

some sxe sucks, some doesnt.

ian mackaye = minor threat, fugazi, dischord records

fugazi is one of the more brilliant bands around and has been for quite awhile now. they are 100% integrity and non-corporate and counter-culture.

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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: Vvellum]
    #3600282 - 01/08/05 07:53 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: tomk]
    #3601520 - 01/09/05 12:43 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

You don't get it, the German's took the Chinese symbol and flipped it sideways.


Two TOTALLY different things.


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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #3601525 - 01/09/05 12:46 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika


This should clear the air of ignorance.


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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: Adamist]
    #3601548 - 01/09/05 12:53 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Ian was the lead singer for a band called Minor threat. he was suppposedly the intiator of the "straight-edge", now you have some angry high pitched punks these days called Anti-Flag, bitchin about politics and punk fashion, and not letting people smoke cigarettes at their shows, etc.


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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: AbstractHarmonix]
    #3601967 - 01/09/05 02:48 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Actually.. Isn't Ian from the DC punk band, Fugazi? He's just someone that's high and mighty about being straight edge.

Punk is still alive and well.

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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: BrAiN]
    #3602074 - 01/09/05 03:28 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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BrAiN said:
Punk is still alive and well.




:grin:

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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: BrAiN]
    #3604601 - 01/09/05 05:13 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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Actually.. Isn't Ian from the DC punk band, Fugazi?




yes. they are one of the more brillant bands in the last 15 years.
listen to the argument & tell me you werent moved.

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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: tomk]
    #3604608 - 01/09/05 05:14 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: Vvellum]
    #3606990 - 01/10/05 07:16 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

yeah Fugazi are the shit! Straight Edge shmucks piss me off though. I respect Ian and bands like Propagandhi but i hate these Good Charlotte fans that are supposedly straight edge and vegans and eat meat pies but cry when someone gives them meat at a school retreat thing and are born again christians that claim their new found faith has given back them their virginity, god just sewed that hymen right back up again... hmm maybe it's just this one chick that shits me. A real attention seeker she is.


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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: el_duderino]
    #3607279 - 01/10/05 09:55 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I'm from the same town G.Charlotte is from originally. I saw them at a Chrisitian coffee house when the were 16 years old. hahhhaah they were so cuuuuuuute.. they were wearing zoot suits

They were actually pretty good for a bunch of kids

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Re: Can some one give me a history lesson/ explanation on punk? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #3607834 - 01/10/05 01:16 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)



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