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Offlinepainloc21
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Casing question
    #3590189 - 01/06/05 08:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

O.K so im doing a bulk grow. I just spawned my substrate ( High mtn compost and Straw) on Tuesday. I have several large bags of verm and peat moss. I would like to know how many parts of each to use. I was thinking 50/50. And i would also like to know should i pasturize or pc the casing layer? I have been told conflicting ways of preparing the casing and i have come to far to fuck it up now. Any advice?


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Re: Casing question [Re: painloc21]
    #3590294 - 01/06/05 08:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

mix 50/50 and add 4% horticultural lime and 15% crushed oyster shell by volume. you could do without the lime and oyster shell it just helps with the ph.


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Re: Casing question [Re: SFU1]
    #3590340 - 01/06/05 08:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

No don't use lime use Calcium carbonate
Go down to the note at the bottom

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/7977


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Re: Casing question [Re: Taskenti]
    #3590461 - 01/06/05 09:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

bruceallen said:
No don't use lime use Calcium carbonate
Go down to the note at the bottom

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/7977




The tek you pointed to says yes use calcium carbonate, but perhaps not the hydrated lime.


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Re: Casing question [Re: ticktock]
    #3590479 - 01/06/05 09:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

ummmm thats what i said

"no dont use lime use calcium carbonate


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Re: Casing question [Re: Taskenti]
    #3590681 - 01/06/05 09:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

When using Peat based casings I'll always recommend a tsp. hydrated lime short term buffer along with a long term buffer. I usually mix a tsp. hydrated an a tbs. long term per quart of casing mix. These buffers really don't come into play until later flushes BTW. Also here is one of my favorite long term buffers Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:


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Re: Casing question [Re: hyphae]
    #3591377 - 01/07/05 12:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you guys for the info and links. But what do you guys do as far as pasturizing or p.c'ing the casing layer? What do you prefer and why?


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Re: Casing question [Re: painloc21]
    #3592036 - 01/07/05 03:02 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I have a question about casing aswell. I am thinking of just doing a normal vermiculite casing. Is the bottom layer of vermiculite just normal vermiculite with no water ? also if there is water how do i sterilize it? could I get microwave containers and put verm and water in it and microwave it then put it in the bottom of my casing container then put in my mycelium then put another top later of the verm water I microwaved ?


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Re: Casing question [Re: WorkYou]
    #3593305 - 01/07/05 01:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

yes yes i have casing questions also. can i put cakes on my geolite in the tank, then cover the whole thing in a 50/50 mix?
and with the cakes would it be better to use them to make more substrate so as to create a whole layer instead of cakes?


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Re: Casing question [Re: painloc21]
    #3594506 - 01/07/05 06:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I prefer pasturizing in the oven because I can do a fairly large amount in a roasting pan (350F. for 2hrs.). I also prefer wetting to field capacity first because of it's far superior effects of wet sterilization over dry sterilization. Loaded question X24 of course more is better concerning substrate but the ease of cakes for first timers is simply quicker and easier generally speaking. As far as placing the cakes directly on the geolite thats not only messy and can certainly lead to problems in of itself also the cakes can easily get bloated with excess water absorbed by the cakes. I do not recommend placing them directly on the media, anything would be better from foil to the actual lids themselves. GL


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Re: Casing question [Re: hyphae]
    #3595093 - 01/07/05 08:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

or use the double-end casing tek and set them in a shallow dish with wet verm in it. you won't get oversaturated as long as your verm is wet, but not soaking wet... it works great for me. i skip the top glob of verm though... i find that that much verm hampers my pinning because myc doesn't like to colonize much straight verm... straight verm sucks IMO (casing experience).


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Re: Casing question [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3595193 - 01/07/05 08:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I agree straight verm sucks. I double end with peat based 50/50+ or a coir/verm casing mix I also find that the top layer works as a nice reservoir. I do just love this pic Massive pinning Thanks RazorFire
BTW this pic was taken from HERE


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Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

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Re: Casing question [Re: hyphae]
    #3595257 - 01/07/05 09:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, i saw that hyphae, i actually posted on that thread. :smile:

i got pinning close to, but not as good as that when i started to use double end casing minus the top glob... instead i tried something i saw at the nook called the voodoo tek... basically involves drilling a hole in the top of the cake and feeding water to the cake through this with a syringe/straw. this also improved my yield... just be careful not to do it too often or you'll waterlog the poor cake. i water them every other day, occasionnaly one will need it two days in a row, i just go on how hydrated the cake looks.


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Re: Casing question [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3595519 - 01/07/05 10:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Here are some more pics of double ended cakes :wink: Water delivery is definitely where it's at and knowing how to deliver will get you results like these almost everytime! :wink: Sorry to hear you've had problems with this proven tek. you'll notice most shrooms are up top theres a reason for that and it just happens to be the same reason many have most come from the bottom also. :wink: Proper water delivery is really one of the most important keys to massive flushes! (fact). GL Bro
Voodoo I'm sure will appreciate your kind words on the straw tek.



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Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"


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