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PMP vs Casings (also PMP 2 Dry)
    #3582803 - 01/05/05 04:42 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Hello everybody

How suitable is a PMP with Geolite/Airpump for casings? Which modifications should I make to optimize it for casings?

Also I think my PMP is too dry:
- 4 inch geolite
- 3+ inch water
- airpump with 2 airstones at 240 L/h
- tub is 120 liter

Last flush I had split caps and now I think the stems look dry. In the interim PMP ( a bucket with some geolite and 1 of the airhoses, place for max 2 cakes) it fruited very fine with myc up the stems.
It was in the same room.

Any suggestions what too do?
- lower waterlevel?
- raise waterlevel?
- ???

Ill stop teh airpump and fan by hand 2 morrow see how that works. So I can work my way to the fault.

Thanks,
MF


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3583023 - 01/05/05 07:07 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Good question, AFOAF'S been wondering the same thing lately. Anyone??


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: madsickpenguin]
    #3583093 - 01/05/05 08:11 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Fine, but you must mist the chamber.


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: Ramlaen]
    #3583204 - 01/05/05 09:16 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

misting the chamber is not neccessary... but perhaps misting the casings is needed if the casing layer is dry.

casings require a bit less humidity than cakes do since the casing layer is a micro environment that creates humidity and is awesome for pin formation. :smile:


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3583397 - 01/05/05 11:14 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe they will say that PMP is not needed for casings but I wanna keep it for the cakes coming out of the incubator.

Actually I am having trubles with RH in it as well, it is too dry IMHO.
Pinning goes good and fluffy myc growth on me cakes but the shrooms seem bit dry.
Last flush the caps also split...

Now I heared that a too high watelevel can Decrease RH cause it decreases the surface of exposed geolite.

People with educated comments on this?

Thanks,
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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3583869 - 01/05/05 01:41 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

bump! :laugh:


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3583883 - 01/05/05 01:50 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I am not sure how big your setup is , but these little guys are awesome for small , easy to maintain , and puts out more RH than you will ever need , in some cases you must add a timer to keep rh down .

I love mine  :thumbup:





Air is humidified before ever reaching the grow chamber !


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3583889 - 01/05/05 01:56 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Hey didnt know you were agars cousin? :lol:

I have a:
- 30 Gallon tub
- 4 inch Geolite
- airpump (50-100 gallon an hour)
- 1,5 foot wide, 3 feet long, 1,5 foot high.

Some folks say I have too much wtaer in me tub. (more then 3 inch I think)

Where did you buy that thing? In a reptile pet store?


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3583911 - 01/05/05 02:10 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

No cousin , just a student , much dumber and smaller scaled  :wink: He has bigger , badder , more expensive toys than me  :smirk:

One of these may do the trick for you , have not seen others try it on a rubbermaid tub , but why not . You would probably need to make an extra wand , whicg is very easy to do , I have had to make a few since my original one broke .
Yes I got mine at PETCO in the reptile frog area , you can buy them online , just do a search for the product name at google , it will list several pet supply places that sell it . It will probably cost you 20 -40$ us currency that way+shipping . I paid 20$ for mine .


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: tripndicular]
    #3584398 - 01/05/05 04:20 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i have the same size tub as you... but i chose to use perlite and i have not problems at all with humidity- well actually i have been trying to bring the humidity down just for my casings


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3584952 - 01/05/05 06:12 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Hhmmmzz Yeah Agar is a hard "act" 2 follow... :grin:

Ill check some petshops here for things like that. But its strange since Magash PMP should have enough RH even for cakes! I wanna know why its the way it is now too.....


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: PsycAura]
    #3585013 - 01/05/05 06:21 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah psycaura im tending to believe that Perlite is a better humidifier then Geolite.
But then again I read plenty of succesfull growths on Geolite.

No Geolite expert came in yet! :frown:


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3585515 - 01/05/05 08:05 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

bummmmpppp


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3585595 - 01/05/05 08:27 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I cased in a PMP w/ Perlite and bubblers.
What I noticed were my casings drying considerably and pulling away from the container if I did not hand mist them to a certain saturation point. I believe that Magash posted something on the ideal saturation point with casings even had pictures.

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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3587678 - 01/06/05 05:49 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Probably one should put the bubblers above the perlite / between teh casings in glasses with water?


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3588326 - 01/06/05 11:36 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

bump......... :frown:


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3588495 - 01/06/05 12:34 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

That's what I'd do. Add something to tyhe water to disinfect the incomming air.


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: NOS4A2]
    #3588507 - 01/06/05 12:41 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

put bubblers at the bottom of the rubbermaid, under the perlite/geolite/lava rock. using a prefilter is always good. :smile: bubblers in a glass/jar of water helps also... but why clutter the little space you have with more stuff?

i prefer perlite because it humidifies better IME.

too high of a water level can definately cause your humidity to drop. i go for 1/2 to 1 inch under the top of the perlite/geolite/lava rock... depending on substrate. figure out what works best for you.


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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3589887 - 01/06/05 07:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

so strange that higher waterlevel means lower RH.. :confused:

When the casings cover the geolite/perlite the bubblers loose effect cause there is hardly any interaction cause the casingtubs block it.
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Re: PMP vs Casings [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3590667 - 01/06/05 09:45 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i think i remember reading on a post that you're not supposed to use air stones, but the air "blinds" or whatever they're called. The long strip things. just 2 cents for ya


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