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Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine
    #3582209 - 01/05/05 01:32 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

In the book "Magic Mushrooms" by Peter Stafford, a small section caught my interest.  It dealt with the duration of psilocybin/psilocin in the body. This is what it has to say:

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"In the high-dose study of rats, all but 6 percent of the psilocybin was excreted within twenty-four hours.  In humans, only 80-85 percent psilocybin and its metabolites is excreted within eight hours: about 65 percent in urine, and about 15 to 20 percent in bile and feces.  Some 15 to 20 percent lingers on, stored in fatty tissues.  Significant quantities appear in urine up to a week later.  A full 25 percent of the originally administered dose enters urine as psilocin."




Assuming the above is accurate, it seems likely that a reclamation procedure similar to what the Siberians observed with the A. Muscaria, could be accomplished.  In our times, we have mastered extractive and purifying procedures that could be easily employed to this end.  Or even a pretrip ritual to help keep the urine as clean as possible such as a small natural diet and plenty of fluids for a couple days.

65% of psilocybin, and 25% of psilocin leaves the body through the urinary system.  With significant quantities leaving the body through urine for a week post-trip, it seems that a decent dosage could be reclaimed.  Would it be best drunk as is?  Or would someone like to pull crystals from the alchemical mixture?  Don't be squeamish, put your shaman hats on;)

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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: Mycomancer]
    #3583106 - 01/05/05 08:23 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

sounds interesting...might be feasable..
i've heard of desperate tweakers doing this...

please drink your pee and post results. thanks. :faded:


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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: acidblue]
    #3583232 - 01/05/05 09:28 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

well urine is mostly water so simply evaporating urine 'as-is' without any psilocybin/psilocin should leave you with relatively clear/odorless liquid. and unless you have septicaemia or somthing it should be sterile.

maybe it's this simple.
and you could evaporate it down to a very small amount.

mind you i wouldn't actually do this as mushrooms taste much nicer :smile:


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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: Bolwarra]
    #3583797 - 01/05/05 01:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

If you drink plenty of water, it should come out pretty clear and scentless, combine that with a flavored drink like orange juice or kool-aid and it should be mostly, if not totally, unoticeable.  For people who like to experiment with extractions, it might be easier to start from urine as the alkaloids have already been extracted from the material by the body.  I would give this a try but i'm currently lacking specimens.  Im sure someones up to the challenge.

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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: Mycomancer]
    #3583809 - 01/05/05 01:20 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

>If you drink plenty of water, it should come out pretty clear and scentless, combine that
>with a flavored drink like orange juice or kool-aid and it should be mostly, if not totally,
>unoticeable.

Cheers...

I will stay with my tea.


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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: Anno]
    #3584310 - 01/05/05 03:57 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Anno said:
>If you drink plenty of water, it should come out pretty clear and scentless, combine that
>with a flavored drink like orange juice or kool-aid and it should be mostly, if not totally,
>unoticeable.

Cheers...

I will stay with my tea.




lol me 2, or my henny. Just no urine.


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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: ricelicker]
    #3584821 - 01/05/05 05:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

There's such a rediculously low amount of psilo- in an average dose of mushies, I can't imagine this being more efficient than innoc'ing another jar. :wink:


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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: Qavl]
    #3604052 - 01/09/05 05:08 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

We westerners appear to be way too timid when it comes to holistic practices. Have we forgotten where most of our psychoactive culture comes from? We are the heirs of a special, sacred knowledge that has been passed down from shamans of the past to us, the modern day peoples. We aren't scared to try chemicals which may have adverse side effects, but when it comes to the practice of drinking urine, which is an ancient practice, we back away. What is the problem here, and why can we not get the thought past our closed minds?
I would be most interested in anyone trying this, and I may try it as well. Please continue to post your ideas on this matter.
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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: InnerBeing]
    #3605026 - 01/09/05 08:49 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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There's such a rediculously low amount of psilo- in an average dose of mushies, I can't imagine this being more efficient than innoc'ing another jar.




Actually i see it as more efficient, if you consider efficiency as a ratio between work:time, reclaming would be far more efficient. No jars, no pcing, no casing, but a unique shamanic experience. 

You own body has produced this psychedelic alchemical infusion that makes your urine an illegal substance for a week!  I still think it has potential as a starting point for extraction experimentation.

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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: Mycomancer]
    #3605715 - 01/10/05 12:10 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

one dose of psicolin is about 10 thousandths of a gram. thats an awfully small amount to be extracting....


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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: Mycomancer]
    #3607476 - 01/10/05 01:38 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

If you must, I suggest pissing into an unglazed earthenware pot. As the urine evaporates from the surface of the pot, it should form crystals on the outside that can be scraped off and encapsulated.


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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3607729 - 01/10/05 02:50 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I agree. I would rather let the piss totally evaporate into crystals and then ingest them.


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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: ChinaBoy]
    #3607918 - 01/10/05 03:41 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

That sounds like a very good method, especially if you collected the urine for the week post trip - and if you trip in groups, and are good at persuasion, mayhaps get everyone involved.  What would be the best method of storage once crystals are obtained, and what could one expect in terms of shelf-life?

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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: Mycomancer]
    #3608005 - 01/10/05 04:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I think I read something similar in a book called "Ecstasy - Trance, Dance & ...". but then it was MDMA discussed. And that reasonable amounts of it left your body with the urine. I friend of mine peed in cup after ingesting MDMA and said too have an boosting effect... Also the shamans of Siberia is said to have given their reindeer's Amanite Muscaria and drank their urine since the reindeer the would have cleansed it from most of the toxic substances... So the idea of drinking urine isn?t that far fetched as "InnerBeing" stated earlier.

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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: Dr_Demented]
    #3609497 - 01/10/05 09:08 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Judging by the flood of negative posts regarding the reclamation from urine and, secondly, the perceived necessity by Mycomancer to move his thread, I would still maintain that an overwhelming majority of people would not try this reclamation excersize. Drinking one's own urine is definitely taboo in American and most Western cultures. The practice, however, is performed by many to include Native Americans, Siberian nomads (as stated previously), Indians, and many others. I am certain that despite the number proponents there are for this practice, there are just as many if not more opponents.
I think it is revolting to think about trying to do, however, I can't really argue against the practice when it has exsisted for thousands of years and it is still being used today. Besides I truly believe that our enthnocentric culture is the primary source of aversion to this practice. In the zen sense of context, you could certainly say that our tea cup is over filled with our Western ways and that in order to benefit from other forms of wisdom, we must empty our cups in order to accept the fresh, new knowledge of other cultures. With this in mind, and the added element of doing it for hallucenigenic purposes, then I do believe that I could stomach it.
A poll asking the question of whether one would or would not drink their own urine would be quite interesting. If anyone has the time I would appreciate it if you started one.
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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: 4hodmt]
    #3609541 - 01/10/05 09:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

4hodmt said:
one dose of psicolin is about 10 thousandths of a gram. thats an awfully small amount to be extracting....




No it isn't. LSD is about 1/10th of a milligram, or 1/10,000th of a gram, but psilocybin is 6 or 8 milligrams, approximately 6 or 8/1000ths of a gram.


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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: Ravus]
    #3610006 - 01/10/05 11:03 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

any one drink it yet?


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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: GlobalSmoke]
    #3610185 - 01/10/05 11:49 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i might do it if it was clear piss
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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: Mycomancer]
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Re: Psilocybin/psilocin reclamation from urine [Re: ivi]
    #3614914 - 01/11/05 11:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)



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