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usefulidiot
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How The US Created 'Al Qaeda'
#3575437 - 01/03/05 03:40 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alan Stone
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: usefulidiot]
#3575786 - 01/03/05 05:10 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very interesting footage. Weren't the Indymedia servers seized by the FBI a while back?
On a somewhat related note, Abraham Maslow's motivational theory states that people have a hierarchy of basic needs. One of the lowest ranking (thus most needed) needs is the need for security. This term encompasses having shelter and food, but also feeling that your environment is stable and safe. If people don't have a sense of security, they'll gladly accept dictators to regain it. A similar conclusion is made in the video.
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Great_Satan
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: Alan Stone]
#3576137 - 01/03/05 06:30 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: Alan Stone]
#3576152 - 01/03/05 06:34 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maslow? Maslow?????!!!!! Holy shit, I hadn't heard that poseurs name for thirty years. You evil man, you.
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Alan Stone
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: zappaisgod]
#3578381 - 01/04/05 06:21 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can you deny he's right?
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Alan Stone
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: Great_Satan]
#3578392 - 01/04/05 06:29 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice, one of your links even compared Islam to the Soviet Union ! Since Soviets were never really a threat, how's about "Islam ain't no threat neither"? Jebus Christ, nice propaganda.
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SWEDEN
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: Alan Stone]
#3579256 - 01/04/05 12:02 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't feed the monkey
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: Alan Stone]
#3579295 - 01/04/05 12:10 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can you deny he's right?
I can't prove there are no monkies on Pluto, but that doesn't increase the likelyhood that there are.
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: usefulidiot]
#3579725 - 01/04/05 02:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is well known that Al Qaeda was given funding and training by the CIA to fight off the Soviets. At least to anybody not falling prey to corporate media propaganda.
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: DNKYD]
#3579954 - 01/04/05 03:02 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is well known that Al Qaeda was given funding and training by the CIA to fight off the Soviets.
al-qaeda was formed after the soviets withdrew from afghanistan. therefore al-qaeda never fought off the soviets. therefore the CIA never gave al-qaeda funding and training to fight off the soviets. reading too much michael moore, have we?
At least to anybody not falling prey to corporate media propaganda.
or math.
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SWEDEN
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: ]
#3580490 - 01/04/05 05:00 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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al-qaeda was formed after the soviets withdrew from afghanistan. therefore al-qaeda never fought off the soviets. therefore the CIA never gave al-qaeda funding and training to fight off the soviets. reading too much michael moore, have we?
Al-Qaeda was formed the same year that the mujahedeen army defeated the Soviets. The CIA did train the mujahedeen, and many of these men were extremists. I won't say therefore, because then I would be making false connections like ^this guy^, but I would say that many of these extremists probably joined Al-Qaeda after the war in 1989.
The fact remains that we saw some Islamic extremists getting attacking by the main threat to our national security, the Soviets, and sticking with our "rollback" policy, but not wanting to waste our own troops, someone (I am not sure who) decided to let the CIA infiltrate the country and train the extremists, and arm them to the teeth. And after the Soviets were defeated, there are still a bunch of angry Islam extremists with guns.
So he was right in that we trained and armed extremists, but no one is really sure who is a member of Al-Qaeda or not. I assume that if we knew, there would be no War on Terrorism for the Profit of Various Rich Folks.
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Great_Satan
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: SWEDEN]
#3580568 - 01/04/05 05:18 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: Alan Stone]
#3580892 - 01/04/05 06:12 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Alan Stone said: Can you deny he's right?
I deny that he is even the least bit useful. A 2 year old can point at an apple and say it's red. That is the sum total of Maslow's insight.
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: SWEDEN]
#3582250 - 01/04/05 11:40 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Al-Qaeda was formed the same year that the mujahedeen army defeated the Soviets. The CIA did train the mujahedeen, and many of these men were extremists... the CIA did not fund or support al-qaeda. really, it just didn't happen. it's one thing to say that they helped the mujahedeen, or islamic extremists, or hell, even muslim terrorists, but saying "al-qaeda" by name? i know it requires giving up a juicy soundbite, but come on...
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: ]
#3582316 - 01/04/05 11:59 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Al-Qaeda is the USA. Its one of those crazy things only the CIA could only create. Thats exactly what George Orwell said it would be.
Edited by mabus (01/05/05 01:31 AM)
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: mabus]
#3582480 - 01/05/05 12:43 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: mabus]
#3583601 - 01/05/05 10:23 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Al Qaeda = Emanuel Goldstein?
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: trendal]
#3583908 - 01/05/05 12:08 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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al-qaeda:
1. is real. 2. successfully attacks american citizens.
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usefulidiot
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: ]
#3583954 - 01/05/05 12:29 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
mushmaster said: al-qaeda: 1. is real. 2. successfully attacks american citizens.
*Though not usually without help from their business partners and associates "Al CIAda"
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Re: How The US Created 'Al Qaeda' [Re: usefulidiot]
#3583968 - 01/05/05 12:35 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's just no getting around it. Whether the CIA funded Al Qaeda directly, or American businesses did, or if they funded the mujahedeen which then formed into Al Qaeda. One way or another, it's yet another CIA terrorist cell, basically owned and operated by our nation's "finest" intelligence agency.
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