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How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant?
    #3577473 - 01/04/05 01:22 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I dont get it. For example read the last paragraph here:
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/acacia.htm


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Re: How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant? [Re: hpnotiq]
    #3577591 - 01/04/05 01:49 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

one might think that everything nature can do, dictate's whats possible for us to do - wether we realize it or not.


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Re: How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant? [Re: hpnotiq]
    #3577812 - 01/04/05 02:47 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

That's weird. I have no idea.


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Re: How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant? [Re: Annom]
    #3578203 - 01/04/05 05:07 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

We synthesized DMT before we found it to occur naturally in our own heads too.


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Re: How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant? [Re: sui]
    #3578207 - 01/04/05 05:10 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Can you give me a link to a research that found DMT in our brain? I want to see some facts on this one.


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Re: How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant? [Re: Annom]
    #3578218 - 01/04/05 05:17 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.erowid.org/library/books/dmt_spirit_molecule.shtml

DMT, a plant-derived chemical that is also manufactured by the human brain, consistently produced near-death and mystical experiences....


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Re: How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #3578228 - 01/04/05 05:24 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

That's what Rick Strassman said.

"DMT: The Spirit Molecule makes the bold case that DMT, naturally released by the pineal gland, facilitates the soul's movement in and out of the body and is an integral part of the birth and death experiences, as well as the highest states of meditation and even sexual transcendence. Strassman also believes that alien abduction experiences are brought on by accidental releases of DMT."

That are just his believes as far as I know. It's a theory, not based on research/facts. I really don't know if I should believe him, I want to see his research papers.


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Re: How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant? [Re: Annom]
    #3578245 - 01/04/05 05:37 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

DMT has been found to occur naturally in mammalian brains (Barker[4] and Christian [17]). "Indolealkylamines ... are the only known hallucinogenic agents whose endogenous occurrence in mammals, including man, has been confirmed" (McKenna [67]). Szara [114] says that it "seems that the whole enzymatic apparatus exists in mammals which can produce tryptamine from tryptophane, DMT from tryptamine and 6-HDMT [the probably hallucinogenic 6-hydroxy-DMT] from DMT."

It is of interest to note that, since DMT is present in every human brain, any person in a country which prohibits possession of DMT may be arrested on sight. Every U.S. citizen is now automatically a criminal at birth.

The question as to what function DMT and related substances have in the mammalian body has not yet received a definite answer. DMT is structurally similar to serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine) which is well-known as a neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain. It has been suggested that DMT is a also a neurotransmitter, but this has not been established.

Strassman [110] has presented evidence that psychoactive tryptamines are produced endogenously by the pineal gland and are related to the metabolism of the pineal hormone melatonin. It has been suggested that DMT plays a centrol role in dreaming (perhaps with the pineal gland releasing DMT or a related subtance at certain times during sleep). Much research in this area remains to be done.
- http://www.serendipity.li/dmt/dmtart01.html


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Re: How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant? [Re: Annom]
    #3578262 - 01/04/05 05:58 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

How ridiculous. A chemical our brains produce is a schedule 1 drug.


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Re: How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant? [Re: ninsega]
    #3579592 - 01/04/05 03:19 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

This is a very interesting topic... needs to be bumped up for others to view


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Re: How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant? [Re: hpnotiq]
    #3579618 - 01/04/05 03:27 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Happens quite a bit, there are lots of diffrent plants/cacti/fungi and animals out there. Many are undiscovered or not well reaserched.


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Re: How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant? [Re: gdman]
    #3579646 - 01/04/05 03:38 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

you think that if you used DMT more thana few times, that if you do have a near death experience or a mystical experience, that dmt feeling will lack, due depletion or experiencing something similar to that but much stronger?? just a completely uneducated unresearched untoughtaboutuntil35secondsago theory


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Re: How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant? [Re: syanesso]
    #3580453 - 01/04/05 06:49 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

probably not, I guess.


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Re: How do we invent a drug but then discover it in a plant? [Re: hpnotiq]
    #3581344 - 01/04/05 09:55 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I happen to be reading DMT the SPirit Molecule. quite an interesting piece of literature. tells you how much we DON'T know about ourselves and the connections between our spiritual, biological, and chemical selves.


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