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SoopaX
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Why are we paying for the tsunami?
#3573475 - 01/02/05 10:38 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll bring up one point here and another point in another thread. Could someone cite for me the Constitutional Amendment that allows the government to use our federal tax dollars for this purpose?
Also, I wonder if someone could post a chart showing how much money the EvilNations? (America and Israel, mainly) are donating and how much the Religion o' Peace nations are donating.
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: SoopaX]
#3573487 - 01/02/05 10:42 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gg
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: SoopaX]
#3573495 - 01/02/05 10:43 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Constitution has not been followed for a long time...would it really surprise you if it was not followed in this situation?
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: mabus]
#3573516 - 01/02/05 10:49 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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whaT?
Edited by mabus (01/02/05 11:32 PM)
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SoopaX
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: mabus]
#3573519 - 01/02/05 10:50 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Huh?
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: SoopaX]
#3573523 - 01/02/05 10:52 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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While you're at it show me where the Constitution allows the forming of the DEA and their power.
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: newuser1492]
#3573528 - 01/02/05 10:54 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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hah, yea
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: SoopaX]
#3573548 - 01/02/05 10:59 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok?
Edited by mabus (01/02/05 11:31 PM)
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SoopaX
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: mabus]
#3573552 - 01/02/05 11:00 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Um. Go for it.
Maybe you could get an education and get a better job? Thats just me with my wild neocon ideas forgive me.
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: SoopaX]
#3573785 - 01/03/05 12:06 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Golly, helping all those people whose lives and homes were destroyed sure is a waste of the taxpayers money. How fucking greedy is the government, anyways?
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: Phluck]
#3573961 - 01/03/05 01:12 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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bless you
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: SoopaX]
#3574080 - 01/03/05 02:08 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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believe me if the 50 million kerry voters didnt live in this country, we wouldnt be donating shit...sometimes the right needs to appease the left.
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: SoopaX]
#3574184 - 01/03/05 03:08 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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> how much the Religion o' Peace nations are donating. "President Bush, his administration stung by criticism that its aid pledges were small and slow to materialize, raised the U.S. pledge from $35 million to $350 million. "Our contributions will continue to be revised as the full effects of this terrible tragedy become clearer," he said" A partial list of the countries pledging aid for tsunami victims totaling nearly $1 billion. The figures are based on U.N. data published last Friday: ? The United States: $350 million (raised on friday from initially $35 million ) ? Britain: $95 million ? Sweden: $75.5 million ? Spain: $68 million ? China: $60 million ? France: $57 million ? Australia: $46.7 million ? Canada: $33 million ? Japan: $30 million ? Germany: $27 million ? Switzerland: $21.9 million ? Denmark: $18.1 million ? Norway: $16.6 million ? Portugal: $11 million ? Qatar: $10 million ? Saudi Arabia: $10 million ? Singapore: $3.6 million ? New Zealand: $3.5 million ? Finland: $3.3 million ? Kuwait: $2 million ? United Arab Emirates: $2 million ? Ireland: $1.4 million ? Italy: $1.3 million Source: http://www.news-leader.com/_saturday/0101-USraisests-264309.html
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: Anno]
#3574362 - 01/03/05 06:17 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Australians has raised over 60 million publicly now also. So add that to our commitment.
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: Anno]
#3574650 - 01/03/05 10:25 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Canada switched their pledge to $80 million yesterday (actually, I guess that's more like $66 million american), and have sent their disaster relief team over as well.
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: Anno]
#3575196 - 01/03/05 02:03 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a bit old, right now Japan is giving $150 million more than the US.
"Japan increased its pledge of aid from $30 million to $500 million, the largest single nation donation yet. A day earlier, the United States raised its promise of help tenfold to $350 million." http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/apress_010105_tsunamiafter.html
US isn't even the top anymore, though it is the most powerful country in the world it is second to Japan in donating. I wonder if this is going to turn into a competition between people
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: Ravus]
#3575207 - 01/03/05 02:12 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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japan probably upped their donation because of their proximity to the disaster and their past history they do face the pacific and all.. it could very well happen to them, and that tends to make people a bit more empathetic
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: Phluck]
#3575545 - 01/03/05 04:10 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you'd ever been to any of these places, as I have, you'd know that a billion dollars could have "helped" them. If it's so critical that we help other nations, why didn't our founding fathers put that in the Constitution?
If you think that it's so self evident that we need to give these nations money, don't you think that the people would give voluntarily? And if you don't think that they would, do you think it's right for the money to be taken from them by force?
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: SoopaX]
#3576498 - 01/03/05 07:54 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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personally i think that most of these types of things are more for making the giving country look better than to actually help. sure its nice, but in my opinion its mostly ego.
i agree with soopa that they could have used this money before. there still is lots of other countries that can really use some help. to me a pair of extra hands is far more valueble than a coupld thousand dollars. it is after all people that make such efforts cost so much. if we volunteered down the line we could completely restore tehm for free. little far fetched but i think we can help a lot more than jsut sending money. be cool if airlines had free flights for people going over to volounteer their time and help people. anyway.
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: SoopaX]
#3576720 - 01/03/05 08:48 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yup Kaka, We are paying for it, so we may get some GOOD PR for a change. Even conservatives will pay for a chance to FIX AMERICA'S GLOBAL IMAGE. I expect America will be the BIGGEST donor when all is said and done. We can't afford not to be. So far, Bush is doing a BETTER job this time around (than with his first 4 years). Isn't it nice to finally WIN an election, Dubbya?
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: SoopaX]
#3578371 - 01/04/05 06:06 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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If it's so critical that we help other nations, why didn't our founding fathers put that in the Constitution?
Oh if the holy and infallible founding fathers didnt put it in the holy and sacred constitution then it must be irrelevant...gimme a break.
Newsflash Soopa - The world we live in has changed just a little since the constitution was written... and as far as I know the holy and infallible founding fathers did not have the power to see into the future when writing the holy and sacred constitution.
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: GazzBut]
#3578776 - 01/04/05 09:05 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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thankful;y GWB is around to sort that out!
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: cubed]
#3578841 - 01/04/05 09:25 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you'd ever been to any of these places, as I have, you'd know that a billion dollars could have "helped" them. If it's so critical that we help other nations, why didn't our founding fathers put that in the Constitution?
coz no one gives a fuck - just like u soopa... and that's also why no rich governments helped these places ever (except in cheap pr trix like the present one) I mean that is the whole purpose of the World bank and 'globalization' "free trade" *ahem* Isn't double-speak a wonderful ting??? mmmm-huh 40,000 people die of starvation every day - it makes the news once every 20 years or so and people donate. In the week since the tsunami disaster around 300,000 people have dies of starvation - and it was frigging christmas - the season of goodwill. Death is life and pr donations are pr donations - but donations they are none-the-less. The money spent securing the Iraqi oilfields and the 200,000 innocents killed down in those parts could have pretty much fed the world and rebuilt the tsunami stricken areas..... with change to spare I mean where in the constitution does it say the government can make up an absolute load of untrue shit and invade countries on false pretenses - spending billions of our fucking money on their great phallic semi-religio wankoff! (whilst killing more people than a tsunami in the process)
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: SoopaX]
#3578889 - 01/04/05 09:50 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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A lot of the aid will be in the form of non-monetary aid such logistics, something modern large militaries are very good at, they could just be treating it as massive operational exercise, and probably are.
Monetary aid is dwarfed by debt in the area, as UK chancellor Gordon Brown has suggested, debt relief will be of far more benefit.
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: psilomonkey]
#3579012 - 01/04/05 10:47 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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but debt relief will mean long term benefit to the area!!! eeek - are you insane!
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: cubed]
#3581021 - 01/04/05 06:40 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: kadakuda]
#3581340 - 01/04/05 07:55 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why the big taunami support? The kings and puppets need support otherwise the people there would revolt. No support means regime change over there. Give money and then theres no puppet accountability, no new castros, no peoples revolution. Everyones so kind. But I think all the money or MREs in the world won't stop the revolutions that are going to happen there. Those governments are criminal and will keep the money for the puppets wives and kids shopping sprees in NYC. Berlin, Hong Kong etc. Wait and see. Its always happens. The poor rob each other and the rich rob the donations. BTW A few MREs dropped from aircraft choppers are going to do crap. It'll just piss em off in the end. When russia drops russian MREs off to you in Idaho and Texas we'll see how thankful you are. Bows and arrows are already being shot at the relief choppers dropping off MREs. Soon those arrows will be rockets once they figure out how to open the plastic and actully get to taste an MRE. Thats just my prediction. I'd rather see the millions of masses of hungry people moving inland towards the palaces and capital for food and answers. Mankind at its best.
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: mabus]
#3584441 - 01/05/05 02:27 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
mabus said: Why the big taunami support? The kings and puppets need support otherwise the people there would revolt. No support means regime change over there. Give money and then theres no puppet accountability, no new castros, no peoples revolution. Everyones so kind. But I think all the money or MREs in the world won't stop the revolutions that are going to happen there. Those governments are criminal and will keep the money for the puppets wives and kids shopping sprees in NYC. Berlin, Hong Kong etc. Wait and see. Its always happens. The poor rob each other and the rich rob the donations. BTW A few MREs dropped from aircraft choppers are going to do crap. It'll just piss em off in the end. When russia drops russian MREs off to you in Idaho and Texas we'll see how thankful you are. Bows and arrows are already being shot at the relief choppers dropping off MREs. Soon those arrows will be rockets once they figure out how to open the plastic and actully get to taste an MRE. Thats just my prediction. I'd rather see the millions of masses of hungry people moving inland towards the palaces and capital for food and answers. Mankind at its best.
Any source on bows being fired at relief helicopters? I find that quite hilarious.
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: Rose]
#3584889 - 01/05/05 04:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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>I expect America will be the BIGGEST donor when all is said and done. We can't afford not to be.
Australia: $764 million over five years.
Germany: $668 million over three to five years. In addition to this, people donated $200 millions until yesterday.
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: d33p]
#3584956 - 01/05/05 04:12 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4144405.stm d33p this is the bows and arrows link. (poor tribe)
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: Anno]
#3586626 - 01/05/05 10:21 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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All is not said and done yet anno.
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Re: Why are we paying for the tsunami? [Re: SoopaX]
#3586890 - 01/05/05 11:08 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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America wants to be a World Leader.. We want to be the Biggest and Best in everything..
I say that this is money well spend and Im all for it..
a few billion to save lives is much better than 200 BILLION we will spend in Iraq.
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