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Offlineestimatedprophet
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    #3561611 - 12/30/04 03:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

alrights. i have a flush of mushrooms that are bluing like krazy. i don't particularly like that. but when i pick them they had mycelium growing on the stems, do you, shroomery think that it is the mycelium that's getting blue, or the actual mushroom, i just don't want them to go bad.


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InvisibleMykey
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Re: quick Q [Re: estimatedprophet]
    #3561634 - 12/30/04 03:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If you are referring to a blueing and not a greening you are just fine. The blue is just a normal occurance when the actives begin to oxidize.


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Re: quick Q [Re: Mykey]
    #3562195 - 12/30/04 06:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

are they bruising or are the spores falling onto each other?

if the spores are falling; then you can just pick the shrooms sooner. you probably know this, but the best time to pick is when the veil first starts to break.


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Re: quick Q [Re: charvo]
    #3562221 - 12/30/04 06:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think thats a crap, no-one has proved that shrooms are less potent or start to shrink after the veils break. Maybe its a vendors thing, so people wont make their own sporesyringes etc...


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Re: quick Q [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3562299 - 12/30/04 07:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Every scientist who ever chemically extracted and measured the contents has proven this. It is not a wives-tale, it is a fact. (Not specifically being the fact that the veil has broken, just that being older = less psillocyben)

The change that a mushroom goes through when it has broken its vail is a rotting phase, no longer a growing phase. (It still grows, but not as much as it rots.) Do apples have less sugar after they start splitting and drying on the tree... Yes, because they are no longer being produced... they are done... and starting to rot, yet they will grow a little while still attached to the branch, just not as fast as they are rotting.


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Re: quick Q [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3562996 - 12/30/04 10:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LaughingJim said:
Every scientist who ever chemically extracted and measured the contents has proven this. It is not a wives-tale, it is a fact. (Not specifically being the fact that the veil has broken, just that being older = less psillocyben)




Can you site any proof of this having been done? As far as I know, not one scientist has ever tested mushrooms before the veil breaks and after the veil breaks to get an answer.


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Re: quick Q [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3563120 - 12/30/04 11:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It goes like this psilocybin production really increases at the time that pins are formed and increases up until the veil breaks and does not get any more potent past this point thats the fact, now degradation from oxydation of course starts also with primordia formation, either way the potency level differences are redundant really. Trip you will! :wink: BTW potency is all genetics guys :smile: IME


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Re: quick Q [Re: hyphae]
    #3563594 - 12/31/04 01:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

from personal experiance I would have to say goomies with the veils intact seem to have much better research results. Iv had the same results with 2.9gr(multiple smaller caps) of half-dried p.cubensis with veils intact as one 4.0 gr cap and stem with a broken up veil that was dry. Dont know if it was because the smaller ones were fresher or had veils intact or a combination of both. Eitherway expect good research results :tongue2:


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Re: quick Q [Re: infamous]
    #3563821 - 12/31/04 01:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

eat them fresh and veiled :cool:


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Re: quick Q [Re: jeff01]
    #3564336 - 12/31/04 07:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I assume this would work like LaughingJim said...Its the same with weed....If you let the buds stay on the plant too long the thc concentration starts to degrade..theres a certain "prime" picking time for pot too..


I dont know anything about shroomin, im doin this for a cousin of mine...but I have read some books on marijuana so I know a little about that so I think im with laughingjim on this


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Re: quick Q [Re: Taskenti]
    #3564338 - 12/31/04 07:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I wish I were a 'scientist'. :crazy2: :crazy2:


Edited by madsickpenguin (12/31/04 07:31 AM)


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Re: quick Q [Re: hyphae]
    #3564716 - 12/31/04 11:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

>psilocybin production really increases at the time that pins are formed and increases up
>until the veil breaks and does not get any more potent past this point thats the fact

I might believe you if you provided a link to some research results  about this. :wink:
Because from what I know, there are none. I would love to be proven wrong in this case though.


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Re: quick Q [Re: Anno]
    #3565159 - 12/31/04 01:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've taken some of this from this which has actually shown that there is no increase or decrease in potency throughout fruit maturation but IME as weight increases so does the amount you have at hand :wink:. Nan also had some input as well in my thoughts on this. These studies also show there is a large potency curve overall so genetics IMO has more to do with potency than open/closed veil, I also say it's bunk the only thing unopened veils really does is make storage a little neater IMO. This was just the quickest reference I had at hand (saved).


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Re: quick Q [Re: hyphae]
    #3565284 - 12/31/04 02:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

very nice Hyphae :thumbup:


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Re: quick Q [Re: KlingonFromUranus]
    #3567148 - 01/01/05 01:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It seem all the info there though Hyphae only applies to the different flushes and not the content at different mushroom ages. That was some interesting stuff though. I noted that the extremely constant and perfect conditions yielded much better results then the 5 random samples from the streets. And it does seem that flushes may very well increase potency as they get to flushes 3 and especially 4 which I never knew before. It sees it may vary depending on the strain too but still interesting..though I'm still not seeing the applications to the whole open capped vs closed capped deal..perhaps I missed something?


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
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Re: quick Q [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3567431 - 01/01/05 04:04 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i agreewith anno


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Re: quick Q [Re: estimatedprophet]
    #3567690 - 01/01/05 08:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Do you have a source for me to read?


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Re: quick Q [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3568319 - 01/01/05 04:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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It seem all the info there though Hyphae only applies to the different flushes and not the content at different mushroom ages. That was some interesting stuff though. I noted that the extremely constant and perfect conditions yielded much better results then the 5 random samples from the streets. And it does seem that flushes may very well increase potency as they get to flushes 3 and especially 4 which I never knew before. It sees it may vary depending on the strain too but still interesting..though I'm still not seeing the applications to the whole open capped vs closed capped deal..perhaps I missed something?




Basically what I see is that potency varies always as we all know and theres not a decline or increase in potency throughout fruitbody maturation. This was just a quick reference I have read other material suggesting the same. Open or closed cap is just a period in the maturation of the fruitbody.


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