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OfflineJJdubble
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what to put in my worm bin?
    #3560442 - 12/30/04 06:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i am tryin to do bulk grows of cubensis...and have learned that worm castings are a good idea.
i know quit a bit about worm composting already...so all i am asking is:
what are the optimal materials to put in the worm bin for these mushrooms?...or does it not matter?


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Re: what to put in my worm bin? [Re: JJdubble]
    #3562040 - 12/30/04 05:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

From What I've read, castings are top notch substrate. If you are already vermicomposting, you know what not to feed your worms. I've never seen anything favoring a particular food that will result in an advantage for your mushrooms. If you discover such a thing, please come back and tell us.

One suggestion. If your bin is in the house, I'd tend to feed lightly. You don't want a big wet moldy mess in your bin. It would be belching out spores and ruining your grows. JMO


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Re: what to put in my worm bin? [Re: ticktock]
    #3562147 - 12/30/04 06:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

One thing to think about...

Most bulk worms are grown in chicken dung... (Highly filled with bacteria.)

I would start by washing your worms then feeding them a mixture of pulped unbleached coffee filters, and well expired coffee grounds, with brown rice flour. For filler, use aspen wood chips (Pet stores, but make sure it is aspen and not pine or oak...)

After a month of breeding in there, take a few out and wash them off, then drop them in a new/clean mix... similar to above. Use THESE that come from here for your mushrooms.

Don't drown your worms, just soak and then drop into an unbleached coffee filter for transport.

Um... Don't try to sterilize your worms in a pressure cooker, unless you want worm soup!


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Re: what to put in my worm bin? [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3562182 - 12/30/04 06:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Try this link... at the bottom is a number to call about worm growing.

This guy looks like he knows his stuff... except for the whole "Worm Escape, horror scene... Night of the walking night-crawlers!"

http://www.newfarm.org/features/0903/worms/index.shtml


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Re: what to put in my worm bin? [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3562230 - 12/30/04 06:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

buy a horse :wink: (dont pc the horse! ) :lol:


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Re: what to put in my worm bin? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3562280 - 12/30/04 07:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The worms we use, red worms, are never going to get sterile. They aren't primary composters, and need the food to be a bit broken down by bacteria. When I start a new bed, some soil from the garden goes in. That inoculates it with the right stuff.

There's no danger of boiling your worms. They can be easily removed. I dump the bin onto a plastic sheet and make a mound in a room with bright light. The worms dive in to get away from the light. Compost is removed from the top and I wind up with a big ball of worms.

I've wondered why people here are not more interested in vermiculture. It should be a big deal to city bound growers. A bin under the kitchen sink can turn veggie scraps into super rich compost. Perhaps the subject will have it's own Shroomery forum one day.


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Re: what to put in my worm bin? [Re: ticktock]
    #3562479 - 12/30/04 08:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You might want to drop a note at the forums posted on http://plantedtank.net

Stop by the terrarium/vivarium section and tell them how bennificial those types of bacteria are... (They hear bacteria and panic!)

I was only refering to cleanse the chicken dung filled worms... thier bacteria is salmonilla filled! (If this is your private collection, then they are already cleansed, and have all they need... but I would still use the BFR, coffee filters, and coffee grinds mix.)

I imagine that is why my terrarium makes a great mushroom village... it is also has an ESTABLISHED balance of needed bacteria and nutrition. (As opposed to any "Fresh" made substrates.)


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Re: what to put in my worm bin? [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3563009 - 12/30/04 10:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I hear you Jim.

Bacteria is a dirty word to a lot of people. The stuff is everywhere, and we couldn't live without it. When growing worms, or cows, or corn, you want "good" microscopic fauna and flora. When growing mushrooms indoors, you want to kill everything for best results. We humans bow to the whims of our fungal masters, and give them the best possible conditions. I, for one, welcome our mushroom overlords. :smile:


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Re: what to put in my worm bin? [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3563075 - 12/30/04 11:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

LaughingJim said:
Most bulk worms are grown in chicken dung... (Highly filled with bacteria.)





Most worms are grown in cotton scrap and spent grains, some people add chicken
litter, but its in minimal quantity, those that do are trying to break the
litter down because of all the nitrogen... chicken litter would have to sit for
several months before its usable.


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LaughingJim said:
This guy looks like he knows his stuff...
http://www.newfarm.org/features/0903/worms/index.shtml




its easy stuff, lights on after dark and a box with good drainage, my brother
and I sold live crawdads and worms to fishermen, the best place to find worms
is a cotton gin (mill), older ones can have 2-5 feet of worm castings and worms,
they were also usualy the fattest worms...


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