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Please, No DXM Posts in The Psychedelic Experience Forum!!!
    #3537922 - 12/23/04 11:40 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

DXM can be very dangerous, there is a good chance of an allergic reaction, or if you take the wrong stuff, death.

DXM can be purchased by people too young to buy cigarettes or beer.

There have been a shitload of DXM posts in here lately.

Please stop, OR if you see a DXM post, please, help me out and tell the poster it is not allowed in this forum.

DON'T GIVE DXM ADVICE IN HERE and people will stop posting about it.

There are better forums for such discussion.

This is NOT the forum for teaching teens how to get high on a DANGEROUS substance.

This is a Forum for Traditional Shamanistic Entheogens, LSD and arguably MDMA... IE: DXM is not PHYSICALLY safe enough for this Forum. No RC's or over the counter medication are allowed in here. This is simply the WRONG forum for such discussion.

The Permitted, Trip Tips Approved Entheogens do come with some degree of PSYCHOLOGICAL risk, but their PHYSICAL risk is relatively small... ESPECIALLY when compared to DXM.

There are better, safer substances for TRIPPING. :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2:

Thanks for your help.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose] * 1
    #3537926 - 12/23/04 11:44 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Please No "PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! " posts in Trip Tips this is off topic.  :evil:

...just kiddin'  :grin:


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3537991 - 12/24/04 12:34 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Cervantes said:
DXM can be very dangerous, there is a good chance of an allergic reaction, or if you take the wrong stuff, death.
DXM can be purchased by people too young to buy cigarettes or beer.
There have been a shitload of DXM posts in here lately.
Please stop, OR if you see a DXM post, please, help me out and tell the poster it is not allowed in this forum.
DON'T GIVE DXM ADVICE IN HERE and people will stop posting about it.
There are better forums for such discussion.
This is NOT the forum for teaching teens how to get high on a DANGEROUS substance.
This is a VEGAN DRUG forum... IE: Only safe plants, and fungus. No RC's or over the counter medication is allowed in here.
There are better, safer substances for TRIPPING. :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2:
Thanks for your help.




you may think I'm splitting hairs but I consider a lot of things safe that others scoff at, including mushrooms :wink:

I dare you to find any new DXM reports published on Erowid... You wont find them because there are literally thousands of them waiting in line to be read and 95% of them are barely inteligible and just plain fucking suck.  Honestly, I've read some of them and they make me honestly consider gouging my eyes out with rusty spoons:captain:

If you want to get "high" because you're bored with pot, I suggest the business end of a shotgun and your toe, it will bring you to places you can only dream about.  Quit cluttering up what would otherwise be a useful forum.  And don't take your shit to ODD either.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: blink]
    #3538004 - 12/24/04 12:44 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

wow, im kinda glad this finally came to this...  and the fact of the so called dxm gurus on here, i like dxm as much as the next junkie but this isnt the dxmery.org, its the shroomery.org...  if you want to try the effects of dxm stick to DXM and dose accordingly to erowid...  it will work and its not too complicated, get over that cough 30mg, get fucked up (go to erowid.org... edited by cervantes... posting dosage info in this thread goes against the whole concept of keeping this room DXM free... but it was funny what you wrote Trem... sorta' sorry I edited it :smile: )...

Edited by Cervantes (12/24/04 03:42 AM)

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Tremor1127]
    #3538005 - 12/24/04 12:44 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

btw, dxm sucks anal cavity, eat shrooms and acid...  :tripping:

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Tremor1127]
    #3539004 - 12/24/04 11:30 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

dxm as a drug is not so bad it's the people that use that are so stupid they fuck up and buy CCC's or buy some other ingredients that are dangerous...

i simply don't really dxm in high doses... at low doses though dxm can be a fun drug


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3539778 - 12/24/04 03:56 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

DXM is a stupid drug anyway...I am gonna do some shrooms later on today...a much better drug!

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3541827 - 12/25/04 09:20 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not entirely clear on the rules of the forum even after reading Geokills' sticky and this post by Cervantes.

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Although we like to keep this forum as on-topic as possible, trip reports can offer insight into a psychedellic experience and give people ideas about what they may want to try out when they take their own journey into the alternate reality.




Cervantes
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This is a VEGAN DRUG forum... IE: Only safe plants, and fungus. No RC's or over the counter medication is allowed in here.




I'm no DXM advocate or promoter by any means, but I think many intelligent people use it successfully and safely as a psychedelic. I consider a DXM experience to be quite the 'alternate reality'.

Maybe the forum guidelines or description could be modified to reflect Cervante's rule[?] -No LSD, DXM, MDMA, synthetic DMT/psilocybin/etc posts.

Also, what defines a 'safe plant', because most plants I see appear somewhere on a toxicity list. 'Fungus' can cause psychological disturbance/allergic reaction/susceptibility to , so is it really safe to give relevant advice?

I wonder how many psychological and physical problems have resulted from people OD'ing on shrooms from dosage advice/general talk in here as compared to DXM?

Just food for thought

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #3542971 - 12/25/04 08:39 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

-I wonder how many psychological and physical problems have resulted from people OD'ing on shrooms from dosage advice/general talk in here as compared to DXM?


prolly like 1:50 actually hospitalization from a clinical overdose shrooms:dxm

shrooms are alot safer.. i dont say it cause this is a shroom site.. but its the truth. we dont need 14 posts a week about how someone bought a bunch of pills at the pharmacy and now is super fucked up.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Infrared]
    #3543018 - 12/25/04 09:08 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

dxm should be illegal. i admit to posting trip reports and advice on dxm, but i take it all back. it's a horrid drug.

all drugs are to me right now.

despite what you may think, dxm will kill you. it nearly killed me.


edit: oh, before you guys get on my nuts about me dosing on c's and i was stupid for doing it, let me tell you something.

i knew ALL the erowid facts. i "knew" my body and i thought sinse i've done the exact same combo before(and I spaced the trips out by a month, like reccomended, every time) i'd be fine. i knew all the catches with DXM. i knew set and setting. i knew dxm was a disassociative. i knew DXM was like PCP and ketamine. i 'knew' how my body reacted to dxm and i 'knew' what i could take.



the next thing i really knew was I was in the ER having seizures and being detoxed. don't be a fucking fool. don't think cause you dose on robotussin max cough syurp or robo cough gels you're safe. you aren't. dxm did this to me, not coricidin. don't be a fucking fool.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #3543645 - 12/26/04 01:53 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not entirely clear on the rules of the forum ...




The only thing you need to know, understand and abide by concerning DXM in this Forum is: NO DXM in Trip Tips. Simple.

Now for a LONG list of details explaining the simple comment I just made.

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Organic said:
...Maybe the forum guidelines or description could be modified to reflect Cervantes's rule[?] -No LSD, DXM, MDMA, synthetic DMT/psilocybin/etc posts.




The reason a rule (No DXM) hasn't been added to the "Official" forum rules is: Not all Shroomerites can see all forums... newbies can see this forum, but they can't see the proper forum for DXM posts... and we like to keep it that way.

But...

Since newbies tend to make mistakes, and likely, think this IS the proper forum to make DXM posts, I made this thread. Now they know better... and so do the Veteran members of this community.

I don't want to make a HARD RULE because I don't think anybody should be banned, or even warned for making a DXM post in here... especially n00bies. If they post about DXM in here, they probably THOUGHT they were using the proper forum.

What I am hoping to get from this thread is HELP from the community.

I am asking everybody to stop giving ADVICE to people who post about DXM in here. Tell them this is the WRONG forum. DON'T GIVE DOSAGE ADVICE. I don't expect as much from n00bs as I do from VETERAN members of this community. We set the example.

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Also, what defines a 'safe plant', because most plants I see appear somewhere on a toxicity list. 'Fungus' can cause psychological disturbance/allergic reaction/susceptibility to , so is it really safe to give relevant advice?




As for what is SAFE and what is unsafe, that is pretty simple... Since this is a psychedelic Forum, we have to deal with the PSYCHOLOGICAL issues that may arise... but not with the PHYSICALLY dangerous ones. Toxicity is relative: ANYTHING CAN KILL YOU. Too much water = drowning.

And as for allergies, hell, Anyone can be allergic to anything... but the risk of being allergic to pot, or mushrooms is MINUTE, compared to being allergic to latex, or DXM.

Too much of anything is bad, and someone's ALWAYS allergic to something. These are necessary evils of a Forum such as this.

That said, I've seen more people have problems with DXM here in this forum, than ALL Trip Tips Approved SUBSTANCES (Traditional Shamanistic Entheogens and LSD)... COMBINED. I've seen enough to wonder just WTF the FDA was thinking ($$$) when they approved DXM for over-the-counter sale.

Without A RULE, nobody posts about coke, crack, meth, heroine, opium, pharms... etc in here. WHY? I have no clue... I guess it is common knowledge. I rarely, if ever, have to spell it out.

With one exception... DXM...

DXM scares me for the reasons I (and others) have stated above. Frankly, cocaine (which was the bane of my existence for quite some time) seems physically safer than DXM... and DXM isn't illegal (Well coke's an RX... but ya' know what I mean :wink: ), DXM isn't even a prescription drug, it is FRICKIN' over-the-counter.

KIDS CAN BUY IT LEGALLY... and they do... especially now that television shows like South Park are making light of it... encouraging youngsters to use it (I noticed a bump in DXM posts after the South Park DXM episode)... without EXPLAINING DXM'S OMINOUS DANGERS.

Kids use it... and I have to wonder about the average age of n00b Shroomerites that make DXM posts.

Many people can see this forum without registering and admitting they are 18+... they WILL NOT get their DXM advice from Trip Tips as long as I moderate this forum. I gotta' admit, one of the perks of having a green name THE POWER TO MAKE STICKY THREADS LIKE THIS ONE. DXM has a HIGH RISK POTENTIAL that I simply am unqualified, nor do I have the desire, to deal with. I see PUBLIC DXM POSTS as the BIGGEST POTENTIAL RISK for the Shroomery. I may be wrong, but as Moderator of this Forum, I am unwilling to shoulder this risk. If I won't do it, I must hold the community to the SAME standard... or I am relying on  other people (who may or may not be qualified to give DXM advice) to do my job for me. This is NOT acceptable.

DXM is PHYSICALLY DANGEROUS. Use the wrong stuff, and you are fucked. Have an allergic reaction, and you are fucked. Even people who think they can handle DXM... are often surprised... react poorly... and... you guessed it... get fucked.

Sure, all Trip Tips approved psychedelics have their risks; but those risks are (almost entirely) psychological, not physical. I do feel I am qualified in dealing with these issues. I also, think people's psychological problems, that come to the surface because of mushrooms (or any other Trip Tips Approved Entheogen) are within THE TRIP TIP MODERATORS realm of expertice.

I have no problem helping people who had a bad trip. I have no problem helping people, who have psychological issues that come to surface during a trip, find the help they need.

If anything, moderating this forum has shown me how SAFE Trip Tips Approved Entheogens can be... compared to even alcohol.

Notice many alcohol posts in here? The occasional absinthe post is all I can think of. Proper Absinthe is SAFER than Trip sized doses of DXM and ABSINTHE hasn't been approved by the FDA!

This post is getting long but I want to cover a several more things.

What ENTHEOGENS are allowed in here, well this is a (LOOSELY) VEGAN forum... with TWO BIG exceptions that I can think of LSD and MDMA... although most people don't consider MDMA "Tripping"... it certainly can be discussed in here in the proper context (This rarely happens, there are better Forums here for MDMA talk). I will change the FIRST POST in THIS THREAD to make the Trip Tips Approved Entheogens more clear.

As for LSD, I've said it before and I will say it again...

Shrooms= God's gift to man
LSD= Man's gift to man

LSD is permitted in Trip Tips... as its PHYSICAL risks are the same as other traditional, "Shamanistic" entheogens.

ECSTASY is permitted for the same reason.

I DO NOT ENCOURAGE CHILDREN TO USE ANY ENTHEOGEN (let your brains form first, PLEASE kids... your brain is your temple)... BUT the dangers of Pot, Mescaline, Peyote, Shrooms, LSD, Tobacco, Distilled Wormwood, MDMA, DMT, Salvia, HBWS and Sobriety... COMBINED are safer physically than DXM. As long as you are responsible, trip safe, trip smart, and DO NOT OPERATE HEAVY MACHINERY while under the influence.

With the exception of DXM, people in here seem to get the point as to what is a Trip Tips Approved Entheogen, without needing FURTHER CLARIFICATION. Perhaps that is because DXM can (arguably) make you trip. I'm still not convinced it does make you trip. Not in the traditional, "Shamanistic" definition of tripping... but THAT is up for debate.

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From www.Dictionary.com
Main Entry: entheogen
Function: noun
Definition: any substance, such as a plant or drug, taken to bring on a spiritual experience
Example: Entheogen is supposed to be a kinder term than hallucinogen or psychedelic.
Etymology: lit. `generating the divine within'




In the posts about DXM, and I've read a lot of 'em, I simply don't see people using it as an ENTHEOGEN... I see the VAST majority of people just trying to get fucked up. Most of 'em seem to be Americans, buying DXM because they can't yet legally buy beer.

If you want to get fucked up, wait 'till you are 21... if you want to see God safely, use one of the Trip Tips Approved, "Shamanistic" entheogens... a few of them are even LEGAL in the USA!

Sure, you can get fucked up on damn near ANY mind altering substance... but I won't deal with the ones that are as physically dangerous as DXM. PERIOD. In fact, If a compelling argument is ever made for ANY OF THE TRIP TIPS APPROVED entheogens to be removed from the list, I will GLADLY remove it, for the same reason DXM has been removed.

People who think they "Trip" on DXM, often seem to be confusing hallucinating with tripping. The two are NOT THE SAME.

I'm still waiting for someone to convince me that DXM is a true, "Shamanistic" Entheogen. I have made several requests in this Forum... so far, I have not been convinced. Even if I was, that wouldn't change the physical risk factor of DXM.

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Organic said:
I wonder how many psychological and physical problems have resulted from people OD'ing on shrooms from dosage advice/general talk in here as compared to DXM?





Very few, since I've been moderating (just one person comes to mind http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...ue#Post3230024). Perhaps that is because this Trip Tips Forum, and theTripper's FAQ go into GREAT detail about how to trip, how to create the desired set and setting, how to look for the DIVINE within, Tripping safety, mental wellness... etc... Perhaps, I've just been lucky.

Frankly, MOST of the problems with shrooms and other psychedelics I encounter in this Forum spring from people WHO DON'T DO THEIR RESEARCH BEFORE TAKING THE SUBSTANCE... and these problems are fewer, farther between AND, in most cases, MINOR compared to the problems that spring from DXM. Don't believe me? Just look at the OTHER posts in THIS THREAD ALONE!

Thanks for reading, and for your help,
Cervantes


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Edited by Rose (12/26/04 03:15 AM)

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3543843 - 12/26/04 08:43 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

your ridiculous...


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: SHR00MiN]
    #3543852 - 12/26/04 09:04 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

It's you're............must have had too many dxm trips.(hehehe)


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3543861 - 12/26/04 09:22 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

DXM = :poop:


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3544146 - 12/26/04 12:37 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

What's "arguable" about the fact that DXM is a dissociative/psychedelic and thus makes you trip?

I understand you not wanting to encourage kids to go to the store and buy bottles of Tussin or Coricidin. But DXM is psychedelic, safer than cocaine (cardio effects) or MDMA (brain chemistry), and I've had some amazing trips on the stuff. I don't use it anymore because I don't think it was all that healthy for my mind or body-- but I still take some drugs occasionally which I believe are at least as bad for me.

I think it is really a mistake to let the fact that some people look down on DXM because it is legal and kids can get it easily get in the way of harm reduction.

If somebody on this forum posts a thread asking how many Coricidins they should eat, I would sure hope somebody replied explaining how pure DXM is much safer, rather than simply saying "we don't talk about that here".

So Ketamine and PCP are allright and DXM is not? I think the fact that kids can buy it legally is even more reason to discuss it. And by allowing MDMA but not DXM, that is simple drug prejudice. MDMA has "fucked me up" just as much as DXM.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: bluedolphin]
    #3544276 - 12/26/04 01:36 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Frankly, cocaine (which was the bane of my existence for quite some time) seems physically safer than DXM... and DXM isn't illegal




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DXM is PHYSICALLY DANGEROUS. Use the wrong stuff, and you are fucked. Have an allergic reaction, and you are fucked. Even people who think they can handle DXM... are often surprised... react poorly... and... you guessed it... get fucked.




A few kids on a shroom site screwing up should not reflect upon an entire community. I know people that have used it semi daily for years and are fine. I know people that have used cocaine DAILY for a month or two and they are literally on their death bed. It is possible to use pure DXM safely, sorry, but it is true. Because it 'seems' unsafe to you does not make it so. Sure, taking Coricidin and other NON-DXM-ONLY products is stupid, but pure DXM has not been shown to conclusively cause any detrimental long term effects.

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BUT the dangers of Pot, Mescaline, Peyote, Shrooms, LSD, Tobacco, Distilled Wormwood, MDMA, DMT, Salvia, HBWS and Sobriety... COMBINED are safer physically than DXM.




I strongly disagree. Tobacco in itself is far more toxic than DXM. I won't even touch on the others since you seem to already have DXM classified. For myself and many others, MDMA is INFINITELY more of an intoxicating drug than DXM.

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I'm still not convinced it does make you trip. Not in the traditional, "Shamanistic" definition of tripping... but THAT is up for debate.




Seems like a case of my drug is better than your drug, I'd be interested to hear Suess's opinion. No one has to convince anyone that a substance is psychedelic to them. Everyone reacts differently and everyone has their own purpose in using a substance. Just because it is not a traditional tryptamine does not mean one cannot use it intelligently and for the exact same purposes you may use shrooms.

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if you want to see God safely, use one of the Trip Tips Approved, "Shamanistic" entheogens... a few of them are even LEGAL in the USA!




/me leaves to drink tobacco brew

Mmm, you can taste the safeness of this legal substance. I'm sure I'll see God soon :wink:

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #3544691 - 12/26/04 04:43 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Organic, there is ANOTHER forum here where you can make ALL THE DXM POSTS YOU WANT.

Until you moderate Trip Tips, I suggest you make your DXM posts there.

There's no reason to cry over spilled milk, you've lost NO RIGHTS.

This isn't rocket science.

BTW...

Notice tobacco isn't a Trip Tips Approved Enrheogen either... neither is cocaine.

Enjoy your tea...


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3544724 - 12/26/04 04:56 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that no DXM posts should be made here, the only reason why I posted a trip log here once is becuase a mod moved it here lol. However (and I know this is not the argument here, I just feel like I need to say it again...)I still see no proof that, by following what I say on my guide, DXM could be fatal or perm hurt someone.

DXM can be a great drug if used correctly. What has happened is many many people out there give bad advice and many people get hurt, which causes DXM to get the ugly name it has recieved.

"I'm still not convinced it does make you trip.". I have taken a 9g dose of shrooms and a 1200mg dose of dxm. It's hard to even compare them. I got amazing and vivid "visions" and OOBE's on DXM, and I had amazing CEV's and OEV's on shrooms. however DxM didn't give me the goblin giggles like shrooms did. :wink:

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Re: undefined [Re: bluedolphin]
    #3544744 - 12/26/04 05:03 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Did you read the whole post you replied to?

Re-read the definition of ENTHEOGEN and describe how DXM fits within that definition.

Hell, google DXM and entheogen. I am curious what you'll dig up.

When did I say PCP was permitted in here? I don't recall.

Like I said to organic. There is a Shroomery forum where pcp talk is permitted.

So... what's the problem exactly?

Your MDMA info is outdated and has been debunked. Look it up... it got less press simply because the gov doesn't want MDMA use to run rampant.

Start by looking for MDMA and Peter Jennings on Google. The MDMA info was debunked by VERY credible sources.

God bless Google... have fun...


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Re: undefined [Re: thenewuser]
    #3544757 - 12/26/04 05:07 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Great post new.

I agree with most everything you said.

Thanks for your support, I know you are a DXM fan. We just need to keep the DXM talk out of the public forums.

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Re: undefined [Re: Rose]
    #3544765 - 12/26/04 05:11 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I've never done DMT, I'm not sure where to get it from, sounds fun though! :thumbup: (I'm sure you ment DXM I'm just pickin on ya :wink: )

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    #3544810 - 12/26/04 05:25 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I meant DXM, I wondered when I'd fuck that up. I'm typing on a blackberry keyboard and I can't run spell check on my Pqlm Pilot... so forgive my spelling errors and the length of time it takes to edit my posts.

I only disagree with one thing, DXM has a HIGH risk of allergic reaction. So even if used properly, many... MANY people have a bad reaction to it.

Allergic reactions to shrooms are MUCH less likely. Also, most people KNOW they are allergic ro fungus BEFORE they ever take mushrooms. Allergic reactions to psilocybin are RARE... but it can happen.

Proper entheogen use is much less likely to cause problems than proper DXM use.


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    #3544815 - 12/26/04 05:27 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

The only Allergic reaction I've seen is when you itch from it, it only seems to last like 10 min.

Is that what you mean?

Do you believe that (like I say in the guide) by taking (1/2 a beginners dose(edited for content)), you could notice these reaction (if it's other than the itching) and stop?


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    #3544819 - 12/26/04 05:27 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, I get that you are a mod, I think we all do :smirk: . Please don't spread misinformation in the future.

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    #3544995 - 12/26/04 06:18 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Organic said:
Please don't spread misinformation in the future.




Like your outdated MDMA info... or your insistance that DXM is safe?

Feel free to offer evidence (I did ask for evidence to sway my opinion of the substance... but now you're just crying wolf. Did you re-read my post like I asked? Do you not have a forum to make DXM posts?)... PLEASE keep the bickering w/o evidence OTD.

I'm glad you know I am a mod. Now please tell me how DXM is entheogenic... like I asked in my last post instead of squandering your posts... just to sound like you've been unfairly picked on.

I didn't expect you to get upset when I addressed ALL your issues about DXM last night. I spent a LONG time making that post for you. I covered EVERYTHING you asked.

I'm sorta' sorry I did.

There is no reason to get upset over this. Like I have said several times in here: THERE IS A FORUM WHERE YOU CAN MAKE ALL THE DXM POSTS YOU WANT.

Other than me, what's your problem? :confused:


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    #3545037 - 12/26/04 06:32 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

What MDMA info? I posted none other than subjective experience. I think you are confused. Also, where did I say ANYTHING about DMT?

If you mean DXM, the burden of proof is on you, show me any detrimental long term effects PROVEN to exist.

A close friend has encountered a god-entity on DXM, thats enough evidence for me to call it entheogenic. But like I said, no one has to prove that to you, your green name does not make you the authority on what relates people to their higher selfs.

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Did you re-read my post like I asked?




No, you didn't ask me to.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3545045 - 12/26/04 06:34 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Other than me, what's your problem




The attitude that everything 'natural' and 'shamanistic' is inheritely safer. That one's drug is better than another's. You suggested that cocaine and tobacco are safer substances to use than DXM.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #3545172 - 12/26/04 06:57 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Have you re-read my post yet? You have me WAY out of context.

You said MDMA causes brain damage... that research has been thoroughly debunked. I suggested Google... you got confused.

As I said in my LONG post to you, that I wrote in the middle of the night... well, just read it again. Dxm is not the mods area of experticw. We are not trained to handle physical problems that come from DXM use.

I will try to change the DMT refeences... but I am becoming a bit substance dislexic... after all this talk. I will make typos.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3545218 - 12/26/04 07:03 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

No, I did not say that about MDMA. You have to be referring to bluedolphin, but at this point I have no clue.

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    #3545481 - 12/26/04 07:53 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Good thread.  As a former DXM user, I must say that DXM is pure shit; I've been through horrible experiences that just popped up out of nowhere. I've known this chemical far too well... I had used DXM and was fine and i used it about 50+  times, I thought I could controll it: but BANG! I got seriously fucked up (thought I was retarded, suicidal, generally bad shit yanno).

DXM is unstable as hell: even if you have been dosing for a while, think you can handle it, blah blah blah, it still can potentially make your life fucking miserable for a few days.  Sometimes, DXM will not properly metabolize into DXO (Dextrorphan.)  Ideally you want a balance of DXM and DXO, too much of either will mess you up for the worst.  Some people cannot metabolize DXM into DXO altogether and sometimes, even an experienced user won't metabolize even after weeks/months of usage.  Also, certain drugs/chemicals (not sure which) can inhibit this process.  I'm pretty sure DXM causes minor brain damage but your brain will heal just give it some time.  If you keep using, however, you will do some serious damage (just observing some people I used to know.)

This happened to me twice, and it was like going to hell and back; no hand-eye coordination, felt the worst in my entire life, couldn't sleep, just generally bad shit happened.

I've done varying doses of DXM (Edit: sorry, no DXM dosage info here in Trip Tips) and been around people who had done the same.  Done coricidin 2 times, Robitussin god knows how many times, and pure DXM powder god knows how many times.

You're a retard if you do CCC, plain and simple.  I know DXM is cheap and easy to obtain, but it ain't worth it. I've had to pump my friend's stomach due to an overdose on CPM.  CPM is the other chemical in CCC besides DXM.

I remember the first time I tried DXM, I thought to myself... man I am never doing this shit again. But two weeks later, I started my habit.

I fucked up, I didn't know when to stop using DXM and i know its my fault but take it from a former user - don't fuck with this shit - DXM  :thumbdown:

go to:
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if you want to post about DXM, but most of the people there are pretty brain-dead  :smirk:

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    #3545595 - 12/26/04 08:16 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

A guy i used to know was recently locked up in a Psych-Ward because he basically went insane from doing too much Coricidin on and off for the last 2-3 years.

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    #3546490 - 12/27/04 12:39 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

schmektron - in 5 years I've only had 1 bad trip from DXM and it has becuase people were giving me a bad time.

I've never had those problems you were talking about, sorry you had a bad time w/ DXM, glad you stoped using it! Some people like some drugs and some people don't. :smile:


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    #3546695 - 12/27/04 02:03 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

If you use DXM properly and you aren't allergic, it can be safe (most of the time)... but I do not advocate using it because it can be very dangerous... especially if you are uneducated... buy the wrong stuff... or it makes you sick. I don't like Russian Roulette.

Granted new, it seems you are pretty responsible... although during your live trip report... I was worried when you thought of mixing with another substance... THAT thinking went against your own advice. I wasn't the only one who was worried either.

Your advice is pretty sound, make sure you follow it. :wink:

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    #3546706 - 12/27/04 02:12 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

lol yes I was stupid, and I leanred my lesson. Sometimes, on all drugs, things sound good or interesting that are stupid to do. :frown:


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #3546713 - 12/27/04 02:16 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Organic said:
No, I did not say that about MDMA. You have to be referring to bluedolphin, but at this point I have no clue.




You are absolutely right. I thought blue was you... I am sorry. Again, I was using the world's smallest computer this afternoon and, understandably (to me at least... if you saw what I was working with you'd understand how this happened... fun though, to surf this site on a palm pilot... I imagine I'll get better with practice...) missed the end of one post and the beginning of the other... sorry... VERY sorry for that.

THAT combined with you accusing me of giving BAD info... (understandably) made me a little pissy. I try to give GOOD info here, and if I can't, or am not trained to help with something like... say... DXM... I like to move those threads into a forum where people are able to deal with the issues that spring from it.

I hope you understand the logic behind my actions. I really want the DXM threads to be posted in the forum where the Mods can actually HELP with the questions asked... and where the Mods are willing to deal with the problems that come from a bad experience.

There is nothing holier than thou about Trip Tips being a Shamanistic, Entheogenic forum. Trip Tips is one of FOUR Shroomery Forums listed under the title: THE ENTHEOGENIC EXPERIENCE. That is what the forum IS... not what I am trying to make of it. It was this way before I even knew how to spell Entheogen... let alone knew the meaning. I just moderate this forum as I interpret its rules and definitions, that were set up LONG before I became a Mod. I mus stay loyal to this forum as it has been defined by Shroomery Administrators. That is my job. The OTHER forum is for posts about ALL OTHER substances. I don't pull this shit outa' my ass, I follow what the Admins suggest. Yes I am a Mod, but I have people looking over my shoulder too.

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    #3546731 - 12/27/04 02:43 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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thenewuser said:
Sometimes, on all drugs, things sound good or interesting that are stupid to do. :frown:




That is very true. Age, experience and mistakes often are what teach us what NOT to do... more than reading, or another person ever can.

Just a suggestion... and a continuation of my previous post to you... When you make a LIVE trip report, I suggest you try to be the EXEMPLAR and not just someone trying to get as fucked up as possible. Problems arise when people post LIVE reports, and are encouraged to DO MORE by their FRIENDS. GRAVE PROBLEMS. Trust me.

Best to take your own advice... not the advice of others DURING a trip. Stick to your game plan. HAVE A GAME PLAN. This can be hard to do if you are taking a HEROIC dose of anything. Live reports are more fun for the reader than the tripper anyway. I suggest you just have your experience and THEN write about it. It is safer for the community... and often makes for a more enjoyable trip... although LIVE reports have their benefits. You can't control what others post during your trip. They do not always give good advice, and mods are often MIA for an hours at a time.


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    #3546749 - 12/27/04 02:55 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

About the psudo, yes I have now learned that lesson. :smile:

Yes I have thought about my next report. I think it may still be live however I have created a "trip room" in my house. The walls are covers in soft fabrics and wierd textures, I have also purchased a little MP3 boom box.

I plan on, well when the trip hits full force which can take a few hours, to lay in the room and listen to trance and Allan Watts, instead of chatting in IRC. However I still want to keep the trip reports live becuase they are so fun for me to write, it just makes me feel good.

Your right though I need to stop or slow down these BIG (Edit, no dosage in here... hahaha... so EZ to accidentally let it slip) doses heh. What happens is I get messed up, forget that DXM takes a few hours to peak in me so I think I need to take more. I think I'll wirte myself a little sign that just says, "3 Hours".

I know that a nice (Edit: see above edit) dose can go a long way. I wish I knew how to add those psudo type of body highs in with the trip, but hey we can't have it all.

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    #3546804 - 12/27/04 03:20 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I should clarify a little bit. These "bad trips" weren't caused by me (yeah they were because i took the DXM), they were caused because the damn chemical wouldn't metabolize and it got stuck in my body for a few days and I felt like I did permanent brain damage, i counl't communicate and i could barelt walk and therefore, i thought i was retarded... bla blah blah. This was only on a (edit: Medium sized) powder dose. The only thing I have to say is, don't ever underestimate this chemical.

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    #3546842 - 12/27/04 03:39 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sorry you had a bad time. :frown:

Did it always break up un evenly in your body, or was it just that one time?


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    #3548248 - 12/27/04 01:34 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I believe weekly use of MDMA/ecstasy is more damaging than weekly use of DXM. My own experience using both of these substances frequently, at times, and my limited understanding of the brain's reaction to these chemicals seem to support this.

You say the evidence supporting MDMA's neurotoxicity has been debunked. Sure, I agree it is probably not nearly as bad as was once thought by some people. But I think most people can agree that frequent enough use of MDMA will cause down-regulation of seratonin reuptake... even if it is probably (mostly) temporary, and returns to normal (or almost normal) when you've stopped using, this can be dangerous for depressed or bipolar people.

DXM's alleged dangers are no clearer, and many would say the info about DXM and Olney's Lesions has also been "debunked".

As for the entheogenic properties of the drugs, I find DXM to be potentially entheogenic. Personally I've seen and spoken with Jesus on DXM... I don't think it gets much more "entheogenic" than that.

If I take MDMA on the other hand I'll most likely end up smoking lots of cigarettes, fucking like an animal, and acting like a retard.

......

I'm not trying to say you shouldn't be able to ban discussion of something in the forum you moderate, but I don't think you should have to justify it with "my drug is better than your drug" reasons.

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Re: undefined [Re: bluedolphin]
    #3548288 - 12/27/04 01:45 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

-I believe weekly use of MDMA/ecstasy is more damaging than weekly use of DXM

i bet theyre both just as damaging

-If I take MDMA on the other hand I'll most likely end up smoking lots of cigarettes, fucking like an animal, and acting like a retard.

haha... and what would you be doing on dxm? walking around like a drunk bum, dropping ciggarettes all over the floor.. forgetting what your doing every 10 seconds... or generally just acting like a retard :smirk:


oh yea, i talked to jesus once too... i think i was on a bunch of pharmaceuticals.... are those entheogenic now too?


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    #3548385 - 12/27/04 02:18 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

DeepBlue42 said:

-If I take MDMA on the other hand I'll most likely end up smoking lots of cigarettes, fucking like an animal, and acting like a retard.

haha... and what would you be doing on dxm? walking around like a drunk bum, dropping ciggarettes all over the floor.. forgetting what your doing every 10 seconds... or generally just acting like a retard :smirk:





Haha good one :smile:

I'm actuall;y doing some research into how bad DXM is (as long as you space it to once every 2 weeks). I will post later when I have another full thread in the other forum.


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Re: undefined [Re: bluedolphin]
    #3548415 - 12/27/04 02:30 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Scientific research disagrees with you... for now.

MDMA appears relatively safe, although it gives one hell of s hengover.

I like to base forum rules on science... rather than on a couple people's personal experience.

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    #3548424 - 12/27/04 02:34 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Forgive the spelling error... the question should read: Do you have a positive or negative opinion of DXM?
Do you have a positive or negative view of DXM?
You may choose only one


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    #3548514 - 12/27/04 03:00 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Well a lot of people will have negitive opinions becuase of what they hear of people taking the wrong kind of OTC. But that is just my opinion and could be wrong. It is what I'm noticing more and more lately though.

--Edit---

Let me clearify this.

Person A asks person B about DXM.

Person B has heard from a friend, or the net, or has experienced a bad DXM time due to taking CCC's or something else that wasn't pure/otc DXM.

Person B tells person A how bad DXM is and all of the things that go along with taking the wrong kind.

See they blame dxm for the problem and NOT the other actives in which they where not suppose to take.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: thenewuser]
    #3549684 - 12/27/04 06:58 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

First. DXM can act as an ethnogen. Like Ketamine, it opens up a type of conscious experience that other ethnogenic substances cannot. DXM is non-reactive in 1/3 of users and fries 1/3 of users, only 1/3 of users can enjoy it. Combined with the fact that expectations play a huge role in the experience of a drug some people cannot appreciate this gift (which I think is as profound as mushrooms).

However, I agree with Cervantes about not posting about it here. Not because I agree with him about DXM being dangerous. If you are safe about it (including doing multiple tests for allergic reactions starting at the dose the bottle recommends), DXM is safe. The problem is the idiots who post DXM advice here could get people killed. I know a lot about DXM and every single thread I have seen asking for DXM advice on the shroomery contains advice that could get someone killed. The reason there should be no posts about DXM in trip tips is because the people who respond don't know enough or have forgotten or are posting their best guess at good advice, and the track record of shroomerites advice on DXM is awful.

For that matter, DXM advice should not be allowed in ODD either, for the same reason. Shroomerites give lethal DXM advice.

Might I suggest adding a link to William White's DXM FAQ at the top of this page, so when the noobs click on this they can go to that resource, banning discussion of DXM advice in ODD, and limiting discussion of DXM to experiences not advice.

Another option would be to appoint a mod to ODD that knows enough about DXM to effectively moderate out lethal DXM advice, but since shroomerites are so bad at it, it would be more work then it would be worth.


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    #3549707 - 12/27/04 07:03 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Well Cervantes you can say scientific research disagrees with me, but having read probably the same stuff you have, I have to disagree with you.

But this isn't about the health issues involved because I doubt any of us here are really qualified to provide an accurate and original assessment of DXM's health benefits/detriments. Like you've said, we just don't know. The same applies to most other psychedelics, except maybe LSD and mescaline because they've been studied so much.

What about DOB, 2C-I, 5-meo-DALT, Iprocin, 2C-T-7, Methylone, AMT, Ketamine, Salvia, 5-meo-DMT, 4-ho-MiPT, ALD-52... and the hundreds of other substances that make you "trip"? You really think we know more about most of these chemicals than everyone's favorite cough supressant?

DeepBlue... how am I supposed to know if the "bunch of pharmaceuticals" you took were entheogenic? Since you talked to Jesus, apparently they were.

...

Like I said, I don't even take DXM anymore. LSD is my psychedelic ally. But it seems absurd to me for people who use some drugs to look down on the use of "other drugs"... and then even more absurd to do it based on fuzzy science and personal bias.

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BTW, I don't know if there are rules against pissing off mods in this forum or whatnot, but that's not my intent.. just a bit of healthy debate as far as I see it :smile:

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: tomk]
    #3549730 - 12/27/04 07:06 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I though I'd give two examples of potentially lethal shroomerite DXM advice from the last month.

One guy recommended that to avoid nausea, you use an antihistamine, but to avoid drowsiness, you use a non-drowsy one. A non-drowsy antihistamine can kill you with even a small dose of DXM.

One guy recommended Robo Cough and Cold DM, which contains other ingredients you could have a fatal reaction on.

In both cases, the posts were up for hours with no corrections. A person posting for advice, reading the advice, then following that advice that night could of ended up hospitalized or dead. I don't think this is the community for DXM advice.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: tomk]
    #3549750 - 12/27/04 07:09 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

tomk said:
Might I suggest adding a link to William White's DXM FAQ at the top of this page, so when the noobs click on this they can go to that resource, banning discussion of DXM advice in ODD, and limiting discussion of DXM to experiences not advice.

Another option would be to appoint a mod to ODD that knows enough about DXM to effectively moderate out lethal DXM advice, but since shroomerites are so bad at it, it would be more work then it would be worth.




I think #1 is an excellent idea, so that trip reports of all kinds can be shared and enjoyed. Also a link to William White's FAQ serves the interests of harm reduction.

I find it hard to believe that it would be so hard to find someone who knows their shit when it comes to DXM and can spot the words "Coricidin Cough and Cold" and tell people not to eat that. Also seems to me, that if the members of this forum really are so misinformed, that's only the better a reason to educate people. I think we all know that talking about something is productive, and in this case can prevent serious health issues or death. Turning a blind eye to a serious problem of miseducation isn't going to help anyone.

But yeah, I liked that first idea..

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: bluedolphin]
    #3549827 - 12/27/04 07:22 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3548798/an/0/page/0

Read that. William Whites report was crap. :frown:

There has never been any evidence in lessions in humans, and they dosed those animals w/ the equivilant to (no dosage  in here: cerv) in a human, every other day. Read that post for more info.

Banning talk of DXM would be stupid becuase then people can not ask before taking. And you KNOW how people are, they would just take it anyway and hope for the best. I think and hope I "know my shit" about DXM. I have worked hard to inform people how to take it with out hurting themselves. I have recieved many PM's from people asking me, "Should I take blah blah." and usualy the answer is no and I was glad to help them.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: bluedolphin]
    #3549855 - 12/27/04 07:27 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not suggesting turning a blind eye.

What happens is that idiots post:

"I have been depressed and have just started antidepressants, and I'm going to tripxors on DXm how much should I talk take to roXors my soXors? And which one should I take to cream my pants?"

and then someone else says:

"Start small (edit: no dosage), take nyquil man"

and then someone else says:

"DXM roxors my soxors have phun dud3"

and then someone else says

"stay away from that shit it roxored my soxors right off and now my feet are cold forever."

And then someone else says:

"I think I remember hearing something about taking an antihistamine with DXM it would make sense then to take a nondrowsy one so you don't, you know get drowsy. At least I think I sorta remember hearing something like that. I would try seladine."

and then thenewuser says

"I like DXM check my incomplete FAQ for decent, improving, but incomplete advice with tiny warnings people will ignore."

and then someone else says:

"DXM makes me see britney spears monsters on my coxors and I cream my pants, if I take a lot (no dosage), it roxors."

All this happens in 15 minutes. Then, 12 hours later, after everyone involved has forgotten about it, and the original poster went off to buy (a lot) of dxm in nyquil and seladine, I come along and say

"You shouldn't follow these peoples advice, for these reasons. You have to start with (a very small dose) for allergy test, you have to check your medication for reaction with your liver enzymes, and the medications these people suggested was bad."

But, by that time it is too late. People asking for advice to act that same day might not see the education that comes later. One way to prevent health issues is to prevent miseducation. Allowing miseducation only to correct it after it is too late doesn't do anyone any good.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: tomk]
    #3549887 - 12/27/04 07:33 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

lol I've never seen a post like that, but if there was I would hope it would get deleted. I think you are making up things, and that's just stupid.

"I like DXM check my incomplete FAQ for decent, improving, but incomplete advice with tiny warnings people will ignore."

lol it's a simple faq, and all of the warnings are there in bold, people do read them. People love the guide, and I'm glad I've helped people. You need to calm down on the anger.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: thenewuser]
    #3550016 - 12/27/04 07:57 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Obviously I was exaggerating a little bit for comedic effect. But not much, I'll dig up the posts that have went like that.

I wasn't angry I'm more concerned that people here are going to get hurt. It's interesting you interpret criticism as anger. I saw you gave me a trade rating of 0. But I never traded with you. Pretty bastard of you. My turn.

I don't think you are one of the people who responsibly use DXM. I think you are one of the people who are in the beginning or perhaps intermediate stages of abusing it, and things like your DXM FAQ are efforts to rationalize to yourself that your DXM dependence is safe and non-problematic. One criteria of drug dependence is trying and failing to stop, and that is evident in the shroomery, with the week or so your sobriety period lasted before relapsing. This causes a complicated situation. I think you are in a particularly bad position to offer advice on the drug (namely, you are too close to your subject matter to be objective), and this is exasperated by presenting yourself as a guru on the subject. You do know more then 95% of people here about it, but that you are knowledgable about it does not mean you are wise about it. You constantly assert that DXM is safe, and should be used weeks apart, etc, but do not exhibit such restraint yourself, as evidenced by back to back trip reports.

I also think that you probably present a less then honest picture of your experiences with DXM.

This isn't a problem in and of itself, because what you do to yourself is your business. It becomes a problem when the advice you offer to others is tainted by it, and this advice could hurt them.

I ain't angry. I'd only be angry if this was an ego thing. It's not an ego thing. It's a people could get killed because of it thing.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: tomk]
    #3550069 - 12/27/04 08:06 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Yes I just fixed your rating.

I'm not sure why you think I would lie about my DXM experiance, but I haven't, or are you talking about my trips? I'm really not sure why I would lie about my trips in live reports. Visions and obe's happen to me at high levels of DXM.

I usualy follow my guide about dxm, so if that's not responcible, then that is your opinion which I will not take. I DXM every 1 to 2 weeks becuase I know what I'm doing, I only suggest once every 2 weeks-month to new users. Once I took some stupid shit becuase it sounded alright when I was messed up, and I have stated that it was stupid many times. However people like you love to bring it up becuase you finally have something on the DXM guy lol.

I guess you could argue that I'm addicted to DXM, or that the pot smokers out there are addicted to pot, or that the shroomery peeps are addicted to shrooms. It's all your opinion. But what is really going on here is that I just like the trip that DXM gives me. I could go on a little trip and pick up weed, shrooms, E, and whatever else (no lsd), but I like the DXM trip and I'm taking a break from shrooms.

Also I would like to see the post where I claim to be a guru or a master or whatever of DXM, I have never said that. I made a simple guide so people don't kill themselves and try to help them not have a bad time. I also made a few threads that state facts so a lot of this bullshit about DXM gets stomped out, which will never get stomped out all the way as people can be stuborn. Also, sigh, in my guide I have links to very huge guides that are better than mine, but would take hours to read.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3550074 - 12/27/04 08:07 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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I understand your logic and have no problem with the no DXM posts rule in Trip Tips, though "entheogen" is subjective.

The accusation of bad info had basis, all I ask is that you refrain from demonizing a drug without any evidence, and spreading misinformation. For example, your statements that cocaine and tobacco are somehow safer than DXM. I don't hold this against you, as you said, it is not your area of expertise--however with that in mind, you should refrain from making such leaps.

Keep your goal in mind.
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #3550114 - 12/27/04 08:14 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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i bet theyre both just as damaging




I bet they aren't. But this gets us no where.

Quote:

oh yea, i talked to jesus once too... i think i was on a bunch of pharmaceuticals.... are those entheogenic now too?




By definition, yes.

Main Entry: entheogen
Function: noun
Definition: any substance, such as a plant or drug, taken to bring on a spiritual experience
Example: Entheogen is supposed to be a kinder term than hallucinogen or psychedelic.
Etymology: lit. `generating the divine within'
Usage: entheogenic adj

Source: Webster's New Millennium? Dictionary of English, Preview Edition (v 0.9.5)
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #3550218 - 12/27/04 08:33 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

First let me correct a mistake. I said that I thought you were drug dependent, thinking that drug dependence is the intermediate step to drug abuse. Actually, drug abuse is the intermediate step, and addiction is associated with dependence, not abuse.

But I think you might not be aware of your own drug use man. Here are your posts about tripping:


(edit: Link to the threads if you wish, but PLEASE, FOR GOD'S SAKE... EVERYBODY STOP POSTING DXM DOSAGES IN TRIP TIPS)

Just on the basis of what you have said, you went from a perfect (MEDIUM) dose to huge doses. The amount of time between your sobriety period is actually less then the time between your average dosings. Reread your sobriety thread, objectively, and ask what you would say to that guy if he was someone posting for advice. All I'm saying (without passing judgement) is that it looks like you are developing a problem, and from that position, you aren't able to be objective enough to offer advice that gaurentees safety.

That said, I'm not responding to this line anymore in this thread. I think it is sort of relevant, because I think you indirectly contribute to the DXM misinformation here, but I don't want this to degenerate into personal attacks.

Edited by Cervantes (12/27/04 11:42 PM)

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: tomk]
    #3550249 - 12/27/04 08:37 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Why are you mixing Shroom doses in there lol. I am only giving good DXM info, and how am I giving misinfo? lol no proof again. Your whole last post was just a personal attack and it failed.

All of those DXM trips were 1-2 weeks apart. Like I said.

I'm sure if I wanted to I could search all through your posts and find faults, but I don't want to. :wink:


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: thenewuser]
    #3550307 - 12/27/04 08:48 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

"If you are a 1st time user, I recommend you do this:

A good beginners dose is (edit... guess why), take 1/2 of that, (another edit) , and wait 2 hours. If after 2 hours you are feeling fine, take the other 1/2."

This is not good DXM info.

"Do not take DXM while on any kind of drugs."

This is not going to get people to realize you mean certain presciption medications are lethal in combination with DXM.

"Negative things that can happen on the trip.

Buzzing - Sometimes I hear buzzing. At first it starts as a low buzzing, but it quickly becoming intensely loud, as if someone is cranking up the volume quickly. This only lasts for like 30 seconds, but seems like 5 minutes.

Repetitive CEV's - Sometimes for long periods when I close my eyes I get the same old CEV's. It usually has to do with a repetitive task that has been done recently, like driving all day, or playing a game for a long time. It might sound fun, but I find it annoying.

Repetitive Music - You may hear parts of a song over and over again in your head, songs that you may not have heard in years.

Looping - At high doses of DXM, "looping" can happen where when you move your head they movemnt motion will loop over and over again"

Errors of ommision.

Etc. I'm really not trying to attack you, rather I'm trying to argue that from where you are in regards to DXM use makes you unable to offer objective advice on it. I love DXM like you do, and I've been there tripping on it often at high doses, too. It's because I recognize where you are at as a stage I have went through that I think you aren't in a good position to offer safe advice on it.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: tomk]
    #3550342 - 12/27/04 08:53 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

You say that is bad info yet you offer nothing in return. (NO DOSAGE... sigh) is a fine beginners dose. Those negitive things do happen to me and my buds and users on this site, "Do not take DXM while on any kind of drugs.", am I suppose to list everything they are not suppose to do?

Don't just argue, present sollution. What do you think a beginners dose is? Most think (edit) is good.

What are some negitive effects besides what I have listed? just tell me and I will add them, I think people know this...

Also you keep saying how I'm not offering safe advice, what advice am I offering that is dangerous?


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: thenewuser]
    #3550422 - 12/27/04 09:05 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

[irony]
"You say that is bad info yet you offer nothing in return. (NO DOSAGE INFO)is a fine beginners dose. "

Yes, but before taking a (NO DOSAGE INFO)dose, a test must be done, taking a normal dose, and then a (NO DOSAGE INFO)mg dose, over a period of several days. Like this. Day 1 (NO DOSAGE INFO)mg. Day 4 (NO DOSAGE INFO)mg. Then, if you don't have a mild allergic reaction, go ahead and trip. Not just jump in at 300-400 mg.

"Those negitive things do happen to me and my buds and users on this site"

Right, but other negative reactions could happen too. As someone presenting perhaps the only resource on DXM someone will see, it's your responsibility to make sure they are prepared for all possible contingencies. It's not enough to list some common problems and throw up your hands and say "thats enough"

""Do not take DXM while on any kind of drugs.", am I suppose to list everything they are not suppose to do?"

Yes. Short of that, you could link to a list of OTC and prescription meds that effect serotonin and the liver enzyme in the metabolic pathway of DXM. Short of that you could differentiate between prescription and recreational drugs. People are going to read you say "Don't take DXM with other drugs" and then read about your using DXM and shrooms together, and think it's a DARE type warning, to be safely ignored. These people would not realize that only certain drugs interact dangerously with DXM and it's those that should not be combined.

"just tell me and I will add them"

Look, I don't want to write a DXM FAQ. Largely, I think it would be reinventing the wheel white made.
[/irony]

Is it ironic to be arguing about the DXM FAQ in this thread?

Edited by Cervantes (12/27/04 11:46 PM)

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: tomk]
    #3550553 - 12/27/04 09:22 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Well I list other guides in my guide that covers all of that, if you don't like my guide don't use it and don't suggest it to others. Many people have PM'd me and a few have given me 5 shrooms for the guide, so I'm sure it's not shitty.

I'm done w/ this thread, it's pointless to argue this.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: thenewuser]
    #3550574 - 12/27/04 09:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Look, it's not about your ego. It's about if you recommend it to someone, and they are not very careful about reading every word of every link, they could die. Do you understand that? People could die or be hurt because you are offering incomplete advice.

ETA: Let me put it another way. DXM has a very complicated risk picture. Your information presents a differnt picture of the risk associated with DXM then is true. So, the people who only read your guide, and there will be such people, get a webcounter and compare the number of hits with the number of exits to your links, these people will have an inaccurate picture of DXM risk, but feel they have enough information to decide to try it. This is bad.

Maybe this could count as evidence for why DXM advice and the shroomery do not mix?


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: tomk]
    #3551223 - 12/28/04 12:02 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

OK, I have gone through the last 18 threads and edited out the dosage info because it seems EVERYBODY has forgotten the point of this thread: NO MORE GIVING DXM IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM. Link if you must... but I don't want it in this thread ANYMORE. It defeats the purpose of this thread if people can learn how to use DXM by reading it in THIS, the thread that announces the end of DXM discussion in Trip Tips.

Also, if your goal is to change my mind, your efforts may be futile, NO DXM IN TRIP TIPS has been the way I have moderated this forum since DAY ONE... and only an Admin will change my mind. If you wish to change the NO DXM rule, perhaps you should try talking to the Shroomery Administrators. If you wish to continue discussing the bennefits and risks of DXM in this thread, by all means commence.

Now that I've edited everything, and it takes time... I'm gonna' change the rules a bit in this thread... a little (I love playing mod). Anyone who posts dosage info in this thread from now on will receive a warning, then if they continue, a 24 hour BAN. You may not like the idea of no DXM in TT (go to the OTHER forum and be happy!) but them's the rules and you must obey the rules to play on this playground.

Now, I'm gonna' carefully read the posts made since I last logged on, and then, likely discuss HOW TO ARGUE WITHOUT MAKING THINGS PERSONAL... then, I may make some WARNINGS for people that haven't been abiding by the Trip Tips Forum Rules.

I do not want to lock this thread, but I will if I have to.

I do not wish to DUMP this thread, but it may come to that. If I do DUMP this thread, I promise, I will make another DXM sticky, where I say what I wish, and then LOCK it so no further discussion can happen.

I suggest those of you that are getting a little heated in here, review the Trip Tips rules, and abide by them... if you wish to have your opinion heard.

This discussion is important... I'm learning more about DXM than I ever wanted to... respect the fact that EVERYBODY may have a different opinion... respect their right to have THEIR opinion, and FOR GOD'S SAKE, DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY when people don't share your opinion. That is the nature of discussion... people sharing their different opinion.

I do think it would help if some (nameless) DXM fans would admit the RISKS of DXM...

I think it would help if some (nameless) DXM haters would admit that DXM is not harmful to ALL users...

After I re-read the posts, and jump back into this discussion I will start naming names.

Nobody's getting banned YET... but warnings may be issued...

Stay tuned...

After I finish moderating, I will start addressing many of the individual concerns that have been brought up in my absence.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3551310 - 12/28/04 12:22 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

newuser: I've learned saying things like "You need to calm down on the anger." are best said when the person is ACTUALLY angry. Don't mistake disagreement for anger. I also tend to avoid rating ANYONE for a difference of opinion... although you can rate anybody for any reason you wish... but as I see it, you were the FIRST to get angry in THIS THREAD tonight. You got angry by misinterpreting what Tomk said. You are lucky you changed that trade rating BEFORE I saw it... that type of abuse USUALLY gets a HEFTY ban. For THAT, you get a warning.

Tomk: You are lightly trolling new... yeah, I know, you are passionate about this topic... but be sure to keep this discussion on the substance and off the people in the thread. I assure you, newuser's Trip Reports are a big part of the reason this thread was made. I also assure you the moderators and admins have been discussing THIS issue for a while before this post was ever made. I did not make this thread without an administrative green light. You too get a warning, for blurring the line between discussion and personal attacks.

Guys, grow up. THERE IS ANOTHER FORUM FOR DXM DISUSSION.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3551334 - 12/28/04 12:27 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Well i did delete it, and the trade thing was an accedent that's why later on I said I fixed it. I woldn't have messed w/ a trade thing, I ment general that's why I said I fixed it a few posts down, and since then i deleted it becuase I got mad for not a great reason. The ONLY reason I had a trip log here was becuase a mod made me put it here I swear man. I want to move on to other drugs anyway becuase everytime I mention dxm at leaste 3 people jump on me. That won't happen w/ salvia lsa or dmt prob.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: thenewuser]
    #3551366 - 12/28/04 12:35 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Yup. you are absolutely right... about your thread being moved in here, and THAT is why I allowed it to stay in here for a couple of days... so you could at least have your discussion before it was moved back, at risk of dumping. THAT and, I didn't want to kill the LIVETrip Report until it was DEAD.

I assure you now, the mods of ODD understand that Trip Tips is a NO DXM ZONE and will stop moving your threads in here.

Glad you're back... when you aren't arguing with Tomk, you make a good argument :wink:

I didn't make this thread so EVERYONE would agree with me. I just made it so people would know Trip Tips has officially become DXM free... and so we could have a good, serious, self-contained discussion about it.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3551395 - 12/28/04 12:48 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

tomk I'm really impressed how you turned an otherwise legtimate debate into personal attacks and making public your suspicions about NewUser's DXM use...

Anyway, Cervantes in case I'm one of the nameless DXM fans you mentioned:

I used to take DXM more or less weekly, for about a year. It was actually my first psychedelic, and since then I've tasted so many different psychedelics I can't even remember them all. Anyway, DXM did have negative effects on me:

- depersonalization
- mild depression
- persisting "floaters" in my vision
- taking DXM is pretty antisocial unless your friends are all into it
- a couple bad trips (one panic attack, one overwhelming experience)
- I have seen a couple people trip for 2-3 days because they lacked the enzymes needed to break down DXM --> DXO ... they weren't pleased to be tripping for so long and thought they were permafucked

BUT... I have taken DXM at (oops no dose, so lets just say a very reasonable dose) perhaps 40-50 times. The majority of these were refreshing, exciting, interesting, fun, experiences. Some of them were deep, entheogenic, and completely psychedelic.

I am convinced that the problems I had came from overuse. I have also taken too much LSD in certain times and it had negative effects on me, and I consider that the #1 psychedelic, over mescaline shrooms DMT, whatever. MDMA has made a noticeable and negative effect on my brain, and I've taken less MDMA than DXM by a long shot.

All in moderation. Like I've been saying, no DXM discussion is fine... there are other forums to discuss that. I just really don't get why DXM is being singled out.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: bluedolphin]
    #3551432 - 12/28/04 01:00 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's becuase it's less likely that 16yr old will have access to the forum that you can talk about DXM, like I said on page 1 or 2, I 100% agree with this.


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Re: undefined [Re: bluedolphin]
    #3551454 - 12/28/04 01:07 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Well Cervantes you can say scientific research disagrees with me, but having read probably the same stuff you have, I have to disagree with you.

But this isn't about the health issues involved because I doubt any of us here are really qualified to provide an accurate and original assessment of DXM's health benefits/detriments. Like you've said, we just don't know. The same applies to most other psychedelics, except maybe LSD and mescaline because they've been studied so much.

What about DOB, 2C-I, 5-meo-DALT, Iprocin, 2C-T-7, Methylone, AMT, Ketamine, Salvia, 5-meo-DMT, 4-ho-MiPT, ALD-52... and the hundreds of other substances that make you "trip"? You really think we know more about most of these chemicals than everyone's favorite cough supressant?

DeepBlue... how am I supposed to know if the "bunch of pharmaceuticals" you took were entheogenic? Since you talked to Jesus, apparently they were.

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Like I said, I don't even take DXM anymore. LSD is my psychedelic ally. But it seems absurd to me for people who use some drugs to look down on the use of "other drugs"... and then even more absurd to do it based on fuzzy science and personal bias.

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BTW, I don't know if there are rules against pissing off mods in this forum or whatnot, but that's not my intent.. just a bit of healthy debate as far as I see it :smile:




How do you know what stuff I've read? I didn't tell you. You may be right, but that is rather presumptious.

I am sorry If I have talked in shorthand with you about MDMA, I am also sorry I thought you were Organic for a while Blue :smile:

But this is NOT the MDMA thread and I'm afraid, I just don't have the time to keep the DXM rioters under controll while having ANOTHER discussion about a OFF TOPIC substance... at least not in detail... if you wish to make a MDMA thread, by all means do... but unless it involves MDMA Trip Tips, it is probably better suited for that OTHER forum.

The only point I need to make to you (In the context of this thread... no I'm not ignoring your OTHER points, they just don't serve THIS discussion, I hope you understand) is Trip Tips is for Entheogens that are physically safe, like shrooms and marijuana... and ODD is for EVERYTHING else. This line HAS NEVER NEEDED TO BE DRAWN... because, until THIS thread, people UNDERSTOOD THIS without it needing to be explained over and over again.

Trip Tips is also, for Shamanistic Entheogens (That is Terrance McKenna's phrase not mine)... the thing about the Trip Tips Approved Entheogens, is weather they be cactus, fungus or herb, they ALL make you Trip in a VERY SIMILAR way... and can all be explained quite well, by reading the Essential Links in the Tripper's FAQ.

Where I get uncomfortable, is with substances that cause Physical dependance (cocaine, heroin, alcohol, tobacco), substances that cause physical side effects in some users, substances that can EASILY result in OVERDOSE (heroin), things that can cause DEATH when mixed with other substances (DXM, GHB)...

LSD is SAFE. You can take 10,000 times the suggested dose and survive, and likely, have a cool story to tell (THIS IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY)... the SMOKE from pot will kill you before you die from THC poisoning, Your stomach would likely explode before you ate TOO MANY mushrooms.

I am not an ALL SEEING and ALL KNOWING Mod, neither are the other Trip Tips mods... hell, neither are the ODD mods, but unlike THIS FORUM, ODD is Private (Only community members who play by the rules for a while can see it), and the Moderators are willing to take on these issues.

Don't worry about arguing blue, I'm a New Yorker, I can take it. I LIVE for it. My problem is people often mistake my bluntness for personal attacks.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #3551471 - 12/28/04 01:14 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Cervantes
I understand your logic and have no problem with the no DXM posts rule in Trip Tips, though "entheogen" is subjective.

The accusation of bad info had basis, all I ask is that you refrain from demonizing a drug without any evidence, and spreading misinformation. For example, your statements that cocaine and tobacco are somehow safer than DXM. I don't hold this against you, as you said, it is not your area of expertise--however with that in mind, you should refrain from making such leaps.

Keep your goal in mind.
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I like to base forum rules on science...




Peace




I addressed some of these issues in my reply to BlueDolphin (especially an explanation of exactly what I mean by Shamanic Entheogen)... but here's some more...
just for you Organic :smile:

This isn't about me being BIASED towards any substance, it is about me, and other Mods being UNWILLING to deal with the PHYSICAL CONSEQUENCES that arise from taking such substances, or being INEXPERIENCED in using and/or guiding people who wish to take those substances. We can only moderate what we KNOW and UNDERSTAND, every Trip Tips Approved Entheogen is similar in nature... at least similar enough that we Mods can feel secure that we are GIVING GOOD SAFE HONEST (and often, SCIENTIFIC) advice.

I have learned more about DXM from THIS THREAD than I ever knew before I made it.

I ask you, do you really want ME to be Moderating discussions about a substance I know so little about?

Is that smart?

Is that safe?

Is that responsible?

Now let me ask you this: If DXM posts are made in a Forum where Moderators are willing to take on such topics, where Mods have a better understanding of the substance, isn't that a BETTER PLACE TO MAKE SUCH POSTS?

Isn't that safer?

Isn't that more responsible?

This is all I am asking of you. Post in THERE not HERE. I keep saying... this isn't rocket science.

You ARE one of those people that misunderstands me... you are not the first... hell I made my signature because there are enough people here that need to read my words carefully, or perhaps would better understand what I was getting at better if you could hear my voice... instead of reading my text.

I assure you Organic, you have taken my words out of context many times in this thread, and I ask you to read what I say carefully, because there is obviously a syntax error. This IS NOT YOUR FAULT. It is not mine. Somtimes, people talk English to each other and it sounds like Swahili. I don't think we'd be disagreeing so vehemently if we were having this discussion over a beer.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: thenewuser]
    #3551503 - 12/28/04 01:21 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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I think it's becuase it's less likely that 16yr old will have access to the forum that you can talk about DXM, like I said on page 1 or 2, I 100% agree with this.




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Re: undefined [Re: Rose]
    #3551521 - 12/28/04 01:25 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Cervantes said:
everything Cervates just said...




:thumbup:

Right on.. and thanks for putting up with my devil's advocacy and clarifying your reasons for myself and others.  :smirk:

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: bluedolphin]
    #3551561 - 12/28/04 01:35 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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tomk I'm really impressed how you turned an otherwise legtimate debate into personal attacks and making public your suspicions about NewUser's DXM use...

Anyway, Cervantes in case I'm one of the nameless DXM fans you mentioned:

I used to take DXM more or less weekly, for about a year. It was actually my first psychedelic, and since then I've tasted so many different psychedelics I can't even remember them all. Anyway, DXM did have negative effects on me:

- depersonalization
- mild depression
- persisting "floaters" in my vision
- taking DXM is pretty antisocial unless your friends are all into it
- a couple bad trips (one panic attack, one overwhelming experience)
- I have seen a couple people trip for 2-3 days because they lacked the enzymes needed to break down DXM --> DXO ... they weren't pleased to be tripping for so long and thought they were permafucked

BUT... I have taken DXM at (oops no dose, so lets just say a very reasonable dose) perhaps 40-50 times. The majority of these were refreshing, exciting, interesting, fun, experiences. Some of them were deep, entheogenic, and completely psychedelic.

I am convinced that the problems I had came from overuse. I have also taken too much LSD in certain times and it had negative effects on me, and I consider that the #1 psychedelic, over mescaline shrooms DMT, whatever. MDMA has made a noticeable and negative effect on my brain, and I've taken less MDMA than DXM by a long shot.

All in moderation. Like I've been saying, no DXM discussion is fine... there are other forums to discuss that. I just really don't get why DXM is being singled out.




Doh... that comment about Tomk earns you a warning blue... For the same reason Tomk earned one (AND RIGHT AFTER YOUR LAST POST... Gaaaa IT KILLS ME :smile: ). Let's move away from the personal jabs. They are derailing this thread. Yeah I know these warnings are piddly-ass, but I'm gonna come down on everyone who trolls, however light it may be... at least until this discussion straightens out again. I hope you understand. None of these WARNINGS are meant as personal attacks, more like a cattle prod to remind you to stay in line.

Actually blue, I didn't have you in mind whan I wasn't naming names, I was only thinking of Tomk and newuser... that's all. :smile: ... but I can see why you thought I did. Until your last post, I thought you were keeping things VERY clean. Return to form, and you will be fine.

Please keep posting your opinions on DXM, but don't post your opinions about community members... (And tonight, don't even HINT at personal attacks [your post to Tomk invites an enraged response, even if that was NOT your intent], I gotta be strict to get this thread back on topic, I hope you understand. I know I am being strict... and I don't particularly enjoy it... this discussion is important. I wish to keep it on topic.)...

Ok... Ok... MDMA...

I am not a fan of MDMA, for the same reasons you mention... but for now, it seems to be fairly safe... I imagine many more studies will need to be done. It is TRUE, that the first study, the one that said MDMA fucked w/ seratonin receptors in the brain... has been COMPLETELY debunked (and the study itself was VERY BIASED from the start). The guy who conducted the study used VERY bad evidence in his report. The media still RAN WITH IT (and thus a Tall Tale was born).

For now, MDMA seems QUITE SAFE, but it does give a doozy of a come-down/hangover. I'm sure more info will be released in the years to come. Until then, I stick with what I know to be the good studies.

Science is not so friendly towards LARGE doses of DXM.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3551618 - 12/28/04 01:54 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

"Actually blue, I didn't have you in mind whan I wasn't naming names, I was thinking of Tomk and newuser... that's all.  ... but I can see why you thought I did."

"I do think it would help if some (nameless) DXM fans would admit the RISKS of DXM...

I think it would help if some (nameless) DXM haters would admit that DXM is not harmful to ALL users..."

I hope I didn't give the impression I was a DXM hater.  I love the stuff more then anyone else here.  I would gladly give up this life to live half disembodied on the third platuea :laugh:

As far as the science end of it goes I have a bit of a theory.  Since only 1/3 of people are capable of having an ethnogenic experience on it, but studies start with random samples, then 2/3 of the people in the scientific studies that show harm are not predisposed to properly metabolism DXM, so of course it shows harm.  I would hypothesize that if the studies were limited to the proper subsets of the population, the 1/3 who can really enjoy it would show less harm at recreational levels then the other 2/3rds.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: tomk]
    #3551630 - 12/28/04 02:00 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Is that SARCASM I'm cutting through with a knife? :wink: :smile: :smirk:


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3551834 - 12/28/04 07:32 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Like I said initially, I understand your logic. The rocket science argument can be dropped, frankly its pretty condescending :/

I disagree with your method. I have made my stance clear, and I apologize if I misinterpreted yours, but I work with what I've got, simply letters on a screen.

I am not here to crusade for DXM.

Did I mininterpret your statements on cocaine/tobacco being safer? Something else? Genuine inquiry, because I'm sure its possible. Please repost/edit to clarify :thumbup: I don't want to accuse you of spreading misinformation if it was a typo/error in translation :smile:

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For now, MDMA seems QUITE SAFE, but it does give a doozy of a come-down/hangover. I'm sure more info will be released in the years to come. Until then, I stick with what I know to be the good studies.

Science is not so friendly towards LARGE doses of DXM.




What about "LARGE" doses of MDMA? Seems to me there is no 4th plateau of rolling, there is one, and after that you are in the danger zone. MDMA seems to be more harmful than DXM on the cardiac scale. But all of this seeming and betting is REALLY poor science.

We are accomplishing nothing but the opposite of what our goals should be--to spread factual information, not our opinions. Eh? I hope you see where I'm coming from, I'm not here to give you hell.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #3552743 - 12/28/04 02:08 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

If you aren't here to crusade for DXM, perhaps you are in the wrong thread, or beating yourself against the wall... anyway, I'm just gonna' quote myself from no on... since it seems you missed my point again, and I am tired of repeating myself. Important text is BOLDED

This isn't the MDMA thread, so like I explained to BlueDolphin, I am purposley being skimpy on the details, make a thread about MDMA in the proper forum, if you wist to discuss it.

I'm not mad at you... you just miss my points and get offended easily. Sorry, I am trying NOT to offend... and with you, it seems to have the opposite effect. If you don't like how I say things. Talk to someone else... because I only talk like ME. I can't help it. I yam what I yam.

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Cervantes said:

I addressed some of these issues in my reply to BlueDolphin (especially an explanation of exactly what I mean by Shamanic Entheogen)... but here's some more...
just for you Organic :smile:

This isn't about me being BIASED towards any substance, it is about me, and other Mods being UNWILLING to deal with the PHYSICAL CONSEQUENCES that arise from taking such substances, or being INEXPERIENCED in using and/or guiding people who wish to take those substances. We can only moderate what we KNOW and UNDERSTAND, every Trip Tips Approved Entheogen is similar in nature... at least similar enough that we Mods can feel secure that we are GIVING GOOD SAFE HONEST (and often, SCIENTIFIC) advice.

I have learned more about DXM from THIS THREAD than I ever knew before I made it.

I ask you, do you really want ME to be Moderating discussions about a substance I know so little about?

Is that smart?

Is that safe?

Is that responsible?

Now let me ask you this: If DXM posts are made in a Forum where Moderators are willing to take on such topics, where Mods have a better understanding of the substance, isn't that a BETTER PLACE TO MAKE SUCH POSTS?

Isn't that safer?

Isn't that more responsible?

This is all I am asking of you. Post in THERE not HERE.
I keep saying... this isn't rocket science.

You ARE one of those people that misunderstands me... you are not the first... hell I made my signature because there are enough people here that need to read my words carefully, or perhaps would better understand what I was getting at better if you could hear my voice... instead of reading my text.

I assure you Organic, you have taken my words out of context many times in this thread, and I ask you to read what I say carefully, because there is obviously a syntax error. This IS NOT YOUR FAULT. It is not mine. Somtimes, people talk English to each other and it sounds like Swahili. I don't think we'd be disagreeing so vehemently if we were having this discussion over a beer.




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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3553926 - 12/28/04 06:08 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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I have learned more about DXM from THIS THREAD than I ever knew before I made it.




This is not personal, my goal was to dispel the misinformation.

If anyone can make it this far into the post, my goal is accomplished.

edit: spelling error

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #3554014 - 12/28/04 06:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Well I haven't read every singal post to this but at least half...and being an ex-dxm abuser I must say that discontinuing dxm talk is a good idea.

There are PLENTY of safe dxm sites for people to read reports and inform themselves of the danger. YES dxm is a shitty drug, and a cheap high for the kiddies, but YES it can be a very useful tool if used properly. I have seen sooooo many lame ass " dxm is great" "how much of this should i drink?" that are completely unnecessary and plain redundant. Theres far far better ways to get off than dxm IMO....but to each his own.

As to everyone that said the dxm wouldnt metabolize....I believe that this is very accurate. The last 3 times I did dxm over the last 3 years I have felt like theres a soft ball traveling through my body and once it gets near the end it stops and backs up traffic heh. I have done dxm plenty of times and about 5-6 years back even danced with the devil a good 20 times on ccc. But now it seems like my body is revolted at the meer thought of ingesting so foul cherry liquid or 40 huge gel capsules. Dxm to me is like a research chemical, it should only be fucked with when you truly think you are ready to experiment with it.....not one of those " man I'm out of bud lets chug some robo"

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: vandago]
    #3565009 - 12/31/04 11:16 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

DXM can be dangerous, but any psychoactive can be. You must inform yourself of the danger factors. A lot of DXM containing substances can also include deadly additives. Nobody has ever died from pure DXM, UNLESS they were allergic. Start out under-dosing and work up slowly. If any rash, swelling or prolonged effects accur discontinue use. My body cannot break it down sufficiently, so I trip for a couple of days or more. I myself have done a lot of research and my girlfriend is a very knowledgeable pharmacist. Get the facts first before you indulge in any psychoactive substances. DXM is a disassociative not a true psychedelic, but could be used for the same purpose. It has its side-effects too! Fish-eye, confusion-frustration, psychotic episodes, brain leisions with excessive use (too frequent), etc. The leisions heal over time but they hinder your judgement, memory and communication/vocabulary. Be careful!


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: vandago]
    #3573984 - 01/03/05 01:19 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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There are PLENTY of safe dxm sites for people to read reports and inform themselves of the danger.




Honestly, I don't think there is enough information out there.

Other than the DXM FAQ, and a million pages warning you about the OTHER ingredients in cold meds, there's very LITTLE information.

If you look in Erowid, DXM is one of the most bare sections. No trip reports really exist except Jim Hogshire's from 1993.

I think most people who take DXM are probably not being smart about it, but that can be said of most drugs.

I enjoy DXM, and I plan on actually buying it in powder form to use more regularly. This, however, seems sketchy to me sometimes because nobody wants to talk about it. This is spawned from the jag-offs who think of it as a "dirty drug" or something that teenagers take out of boredom.

Well, I ask the drug snobs this...What about those of us who are informed drug users, and we want to experiment with this chemical? What about those of us whom aren't teenagers chugging cough syrup and want intelligent opinion without people sneering at us because of their own bias?

I think we have enough things working against us in the drug community. Let's not turn against one another, and have elitism that restricts the flow of information like this.

I think we need more CLEAR and CONCISE information about DXM and what to expect from use of the drug.

So, I guess I'll read what little information there is, and fill in the rest. Thanks for limiting the information flow!

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: technogypsy]
    #3574722 - 01/03/05 10:58 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I highly recommend the powder over the syrup, IF you can properly measure your doses! The first time I used the powder I took a little more than I should have. I had a horrible "death stage" that included every stimulus being exaggerated so far that everything was painful. I felt as if I were falling through the 7 layers of Hell, being burned alive by waves of fire over my body. All of this and more until ego death and reaching the void. Afterwords it took about an hour to realize that I wasn't really dead. Everything was great after that except that I missed 2 days of work because I was still tripping! BE CAREFUL! Oh yeah, and I vomited for about an hour with the onset of the trip!


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: technogypsy]
    #3579589 - 01/04/05 01:19 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Other than the DXM FAQ, and a million pages warning you about the OTHER ingredients in cold meds, there's very LITTLE information.





You aren't looking hard enough try
dextroverse.org
third-plateau.org

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If you look in Erowid, DXM is one of the most bare sections. No trip reports really exist except Jim Hogshire's from 1993.





?????? there is about 325 trip reports for dxm on erowid
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_DXM.shtml


There are PLENTY of dxm sites like I originally said, and this is NOT one of them...hence the name 'shroomery'. Those three sites I just gave you have enough dxm knowledge to completely cover the drug.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: vandago]
    #3579872 - 01/04/05 02:46 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

First off, i am going to identify myself as a fan of dxm.  I come from the Dextroverse, where william white now posts as a moderator, and by my time spent their i have learned a lot about dxm, and that their is too much false information in this thread to begin quoting.  And i have read the entire thread because i consider dxm my drug of choice, expecially when combined with weed (Totally safe combination).

DXM is a dissociative with some psychedelic qualities, not a psychedlic, so the trip differs greatly from the other psychedelics compared.  DXM is more compareable to PCP and Ketamine, not LSD or shrooms.  DXM is not a dirty drug at all, in fact its a great dissociative, especially when used correctly.

William White has recently admitted to his old, flawed FAQ and says that Olney's lesions do not exist.  So brain damage is not a problem with DXM.  DXM is not as harmfull as most of you may think.  Their is NO evidence of permanant damage, and no cases of dxm only deaths have occured (at least to my knowledge, if you know of one with decent evidence, i would love to read about it).  The allergic reaction that occurs when someone takes dxm is an enzyme defficiency.  The solution to this is to take less dxm.  A enzyme defficient person will be able to trip like i do on a 3rd plateau dose with a little bit more than the recommended cough suppresant dose.  They cant metabloize the dxm to dxo very easily, and this makes their trip a lot more intense.  So a good starting dose is very low, one which a normal person could hardly even feel threshhold effects.  And if you trip hard off that dose, you are most likely enzume defficient.  And if you barely trip at all, then it would be safe to take the normal starting dose.

The negative effects of DXM are minimal imo.  Some people report symptoms similar to those recently discussed, but i have not had many of those at all.  The only bad effects i have felt where being slighly out of it the next day, but i enjoy the afterglows.  So negative effects are hard for me to discuss, as i have had much success with the drug.  When taken correctly, you are VERY unlikely to have bad effects.  I have had bad trips from it (like thats anything new, those happen on any drug), but not any long lasting effects.  ooh yea, i forgot.  DXM sometimes causes nausea and sometimes vomitting.  Usually you are fine after you throw up, your symptoms of nausea are usually gone and the trip comes on like normal, sometimes cleaner than usual because all the nausea is gone.  and their is what is known as the roboshits.  Some people get diahrea pretty bad, but most of the time its just a little bit before the trip, and sometimes (but rare for me) on the afterglow.  Not too bad of a side effect though, its nothing deadly.

The positives to taking dxm are that if you are buying it from the store, you are getting pure dxm that isnt tainted with other dirty drugs that could cause you death (take MDMA, a drug whose safety was compared to DXM.  Do you know whats in your pill 100% of the time?  Never, unless you made it or had it professionally tested.  but i can say this about my cough gels or max strength syrup  :crazy2: (hate taste of syrup, im a gels guy)).  I have seen ethegenic qualities on dxm, and have had spiritual breakthroughs.  Hallucinating or not, it changed my life. 

read more about dxm here (dextroverse.org).  Read the FAQ (i think William White (known as bwhite on the forums) has published a new, updated part to the FAQ, but im not totally sure).  and if your interested even more, join the community.  It is an excellent community full of very knowledgeable people (dont know why someone on here said it is is full of kids and punks, its totally not true at least nowadays.  We got some newbs, but the comunity itself is astounding) and their are plenty of trip reports their that are very detailed and a dxm discussion that is full of some good information.

How can you include LSD so easily and not DXM when LSD is anything but natural?  and the other research chems which have been studied very little, and even erowid doesnt even recommend taking them at all.  DXM has plenty of info on it, especially since it is used in cough medicine.  I still respect your decision, harm reduction is a good thing, and you obviously dont know much about dxm at all (im not picking, but it is true).  Hopefully you will read up about it and realize its not a dirty rotten drug that causes so much damage and that it is actually a good dissociative (again dont compare it to psychedelics cause its not).

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: EternalMetal]
    #3581150 - 01/04/05 07:09 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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EternalMetal"
How can you include LSD so easily and not DXM when LSD is anything but natural?




For reasons stated above.

This is not the correct forum for PCP, or similar substances. When in the right hands it can be swell, but it is a danger, if used incorrectly, and minors have easy, legal access to it. It will not be discussed in this forum for those reasons.

That, and I don't know much about it, nor do I care to. I can't effectively moderate a discussion about a substance that is unsafe, if I don't know my shit FIRST HAND. I do not need a DXM habbit as a new hobby at this point in life. Sorry, that's your loss.

You made a great post. It was logical and it makes a good argument. You also, give directions to the proper places to discuss these things.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3581734 - 01/04/05 09:17 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds good to me.

I think all substances are dangerous, and since this is a forum about shrooms and other psychedelics, it should stay that way. Was just trying to inform the uninformed about one of my favorite substances. Just telling other people not to shut it out just because it is talked down around here, but im not telling them to go out and buy a box of CCCs.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: EternalMetal]
    #3582824 - 01/05/05 02:51 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

It is not being talked down or shut out... rather there are better places to get GOOD DXM info and make a wise choice, as to how or if you should take it.

Psychadellics are fine... DXM's foreign territory...

That, and in an idiot's hands, you could get fucked over... seriously.

I can see in a way, DXM gets its bad name MUCH like MDMA has, but there isn't much MDMA discussion in here at all, and it is fairly safe, and standard advice I see... so for now, MDMA stays, DXM goes.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #3586087 - 01/05/05 08:33 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Wasn't like the last 8 posts talked about alread? :wink:


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: thenewuser]
    #3586296 - 01/05/05 09:08 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Wasn't like the last 8 posts talked about alread? :wink:




just a little recap.  It was similar, but i just wanted to know a few things.  doesnt matter, i understand why know.


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    #3661899 - 01/22/05 03:21 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

This is sad, misinformation in this post sucks:( I understand no DXM reports, but for some of you being so knowledgeable on one drug, then completely ignorant, and media-believing on another is quite disturbing to me personally. DXM, done safely, with correct brands is very safe. Someone taking coricidin, to me, is like someone going out and picking a bunch of mushrooms, with NO knowledge of hunting, and just eating them without knowing if they're safe or not.

Read up before you say DXM is unsafe, because it isn't DXM that isn't safe; it's the other active ingredients often coupled with DXM.

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    #3663888 - 01/22/05 06:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I think THAT has been stated MANY times in this thread, but don't forget... someone could have an alergic reaction to DXM too... or have trouble metabolizing it. These things are important to note... and they are DANGEROUS. They are especially dangerous if the person taking the DXM has been misinformed or is a young, newbie.


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    #3695833 - 01/28/05 10:15 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

anything is proven to be addictive. Dont go about trying to bash dissociatives because they could be habit forming. Only psychological of course.

It is true that the availability is kind of dangerous, as people can easily get more of it if they want with no problems and doing noting illegal.

Teens like to get high, but they can also find the real drugs too. Dont you remember high school? Its full of drugs if you want them. Its not like they need to resort to cough syrup. I know people in my school who are high 24/7 and have no trouble getting it.

But you should definitely try dxm again in a good setting at the right time. Thats like trying shrooms for the first time at a death metal concert and saying i would never touch them again cause i met death and shit the first time i did them.


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    #3698571 - 01/29/05 01:41 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I love metal while tripping. Still, no DXM in Trip Tips.


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    #3700455 - 01/29/05 11:27 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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DXM in Trip Tips.




so we are allowed dxm in trip tips :smile:


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    #3705611 - 01/31/05 12:52 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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    #3709464 - 01/31/05 06:47 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

wah wah wah..

who fuckin cares.. just let em post DXM in trip tips.. I know ive tripped balls on DXM harder then most shrooms trips..


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    #3709928 - 01/31/05 08:05 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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    #3723481 - 02/03/05 04:03 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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This is sad, misinformation in this post sucks:( I understand no DXM reports, but for some of you being so knowledgeable on one drug, then completely ignorant, and media-believing on another is quite disturbing to me personally. DXM, done safely, with correct brands is very safe. Someone taking coricidin, to me, is like someone going out and picking a bunch of mushrooms, with NO knowledge of hunting, and just eating them without knowing if they're safe or not.

Read up before you say DXM is unsafe, because it isn't DXM that isn't safe; it's the other active ingredients often coupled with DXM.






:thumbup:  I agree with of your comment, save for the part about 'but for some of you being so knowledgeable on one drug, then completely ignorant, and media-believing on another'

some of the new/young drug users are very unsafe.  There is another forum for this also and a few good sites that have a lot more information on the subject.

DXM is all about dosage and how its taken.  Someone giving another member a 'how too' (a trip tip) on DXM is telling them how much to take and how to get said substance.  DXM slams people and a lot of  personal experiances with groups of people doing and trying DXM, reading trip reports on the sites for years, and, myself after have dozens trips under my belt.  There is always a story now and then of a kid going to the hospital to barf and drink charlcol because "they almost died"  (a handfull have) or 15 y/o girls at raves getting slipped (edit: dosage removed) DXM pills being flipped as X, people drinking 'the wrong stuff' or having shity allergic reactions flat out.

I just don't think people want to watch other people give the wrong advice and have play clean up to make sure Little Billy Popalottapills doesn't kill himself or others, and worse link back to the shroomery in some way and cause drama.


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    #3771737 - 02/12/05 05:47 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

yea i agree that it can be done in a safe manner, but it is a shitty high or "trip" to begin with, and i personally am against it.

guaffenisin is just fucking skanky period. and pure DXM isnt that much better than cough syrup.


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    #3779710 - 02/14/05 05:21 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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) Dissociatives have proven themselves to be addictive. I've seen people addicted to PCP, robitussin, etc. in that they do not MODERATE usage.

2) DXM in the form of cough syrup is readily available.

3) Teens like to get high. At least I liked to get totally stoned to the bone when I was 16. But then again...

to conclude:
4) DXM is a readily available, powerful dissociative drug not to be taken lightly. And it may be addicting.

So I wouldn't want to see kids find this site, see legit, responsible users getting high as a kite off DXM, and then do it themselves and expect the same results.




:thumbup:  Thats exactly it  I bet PCP and Ketamine can be addicting.  Nicotine and opiates, but all those are strong addictions, I belive DXM is slighty addictive at most.

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yea i agree that it can be done in a safe manner, but it is a shitty high or "trip" to begin with, and i personally am against it.

guaffenisin is just fucking skanky period. and pure DXM isnt that much better than cough syrup




Its just a safty issue really, fear of the unknown.  Morons eating the WRONG stuff and giving the wrong stuff to the wrong people.  Guaf has nothing to do with it, its not DXM.

Pure DXM trips are fookin' wonderful.  How can you say there is not that much of a different?  Its compleatly different!

Some people know how to Dxm with perfection while others struggle for a way to get high chuggin stuff they stole from walmart.

Live trip reports of some experianced DXMers sends flocks of cough syrup noobs running to the pharmacy.

Being a person who uses pure DXM with respect and responsibilty - its anoying to read posts with people sending stupid and wrong information back and forth in public, and I really enjoy the ban on the posts.

Some people in this thread say DXM is = to meth.  Okay, whatever, you don't know how meth is made and what goes along with the production, sales, gathering of materials, havok it reaks on the community, etc.

DXM is not as controlled a substance as other drugs.  Its not being chased down by the goverment.  Other drugs are.  And in turn, they are harder to get. (compared to dxm)  I am pretty sure a lot of younger KIDS have a harder time getting CONTROLLED substances, some don't - but all can find some cough syrup.

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    #3782950 - 02/15/05 10:34 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Bingo... 90% of the posts in THIS forum, that left a bad taste in my mouth, were DXM related.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4327376 - 06/23/05 01:20 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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DXM can be very dangerous, there is a good chance of an allergic reaction, or if you take the wrong stuff, death.

DXM can be purchased by people too young to buy cigarettes or beer.

There have been a shitload of DXM posts in here lately.

Please stop, OR if you see a DXM post, please, help me out and tell the poster it is not allowed in this forum.

DON'T GIVE DXM ADVICE IN HERE and people will stop posting about it.

There are better forums for such discussion.

This is NOT the forum for teaching teens how to get high on a DANGEROUS substance.

This is a Forum for Traditional Shamanistic Entheogens, LSD and arguably MDMA... IE: DXM is not PHYSICALLY safe enough for this Forum. No RC's or over the counter medication are allowed in here. This is simply the WRONG forum for such discussion.

The Permitted, Trip Tips Approved Entheogens do come with some degree of PSYCHOLOGICAL risk, but their PHYSICAL risk is relatively small... ESPECIALLY when compared to DXM.

There are better, safer substances for TRIPPING. :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2:

Thanks for your help.



Could you please stick to facts? I have no problems with the Shroomery preferring posts about DXM being made elsewhere. However, the factual errors in your post above are staggering. Odds of a serious allergic reaction to DXM are very low. And as for *physical* risks, I see no compelling evidence that MDMA is safer than DXM. MDMA certainly has been involved in more deaths. And, when behavioral toxicity is considered, LSD has caused many more deaths than DXM.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4327404 - 06/23/05 01:28 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Cervantes said:Psychadellics are fine... DXM's foreign territory...




That's "psychedelic". And DXM meets the definition of a psychedelic based on any dictionary definition I have ever read.


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    #4327561 - 06/23/05 03:50 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Rfgdxm definitely knows what he is talking about, as he has plentiful knowledge in this area. I'm also quite educated about DXM, and I must agree that the amount of misconceptions and misinformation in this thread is surprising.

I have not read this entire thread, but it is true that DXM is classified under psychedelic. DXM has received a pretty bad rap because of the large amounts of teens that have miused it across the country (USA) by taking things like Coricidin, for example, which is dangerous and hazardous. Taking any drug can be potentially hazardous, but I don't see any evidence that would suggest that DXM taken correctly would be any more dangerous than shrooms. Both have the potential to cause temporary, or possibly in rare cases, mental problems, but not one more than the other.

It just irks me to see misinformation spread about any drug, including DXM. However, I respect Cervantes' decision entirely, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. But, Cervantes, I think you should be aware that your claims of DXM as "dangerous" are apparently uneducated. If you are getting that information from stories you hear about kiddies drinking tussin or taking Coricidin and ending up in the hospital, etc.. that's not where you learn the DXM facts. If you want to know facts, research it scientifically. You'd be surprised how many adults use DXM responsibly, with no side effects. The only verified danger I can think of is that if you take too much too often, you can damage your liver. Brain damage from long-term use is unverified as of yet. And as for allergic reactions, please do some research. Allergic reactions are extremely rare, and would probably have been realized earlier on in life when taking cough syrup. Being allergic to psilocybin may be just as likely (or unlikely), but I can't validate that. What people should be cognizant about is that using DXM while on something like an MAOI or SSRI (antidepressant) can be dangerous. But the same goes for other permissable psychedelics on the forum.

All I'm asking is that you consider these thoughts, and reconsider your stance, or even the status of DXM posting on these boards. The latter is less important to me than the facts simply being understood. Thanks.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: rfgdxm]
    #4327667 - 06/23/05 05:48 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I agree

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: barfightlard]
    #4327885 - 06/23/05 09:12 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Heh, it's like thenewuser's puppet came in here and cried about the rule change I made just for him.

Poor guy. :frown:

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Odds of a serious allergic reaction to DXM are very low. And as for *physical* risks, I see no compelling evidence that MDMA is safer than DXM. MDMA certainly has been involved in more deaths. And, when behavioral toxicity is considered, LSD has caused many more deaths than DXM.




Please provide links. But before you do... I'm a gonna' call, "Bullshit".

Now, since you KNOW DXM is safer than LSD and MDMA, find me ONE MDMA user that died from MDMA poisoning... instead of dehydration... or a car accident.

And while you're at it, find me ONE death LSD has caused... due to an over dose, or an allergic reaction... instead of an accident... Find me ONE.

Now, would you like me to find some links of people who failed to METABOLIZE large doses of DXM... and were practically brain damaged for days or weeks?

I bet I'll find more links than you :smile:... and I haven't even mentioned the DEATHS and injuries caused by Coricidin... which is often mixed with OTC DXM.

Bellylard et. all:

DXM is most closely related to PCP... there IS a forum where you can talk about PCP all you want. It is called ODD. This argument is futile in here, AND you DO have a forum where you CAN talk about DXM... so what's the beef?

Here is what you ARE allowed to talk about in THIS forum.

LSD, Mushrooms, Mescaline, Ayahuasca, LSA (Morning Glory and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose), DMT, Marijuana and Salvia...

I BOLDED a few of them because the ones in bold are SOOOO similar, a user will most likely experience cross tolerance.

Let me put this a different way, if you ingest LSD one day and Mushrooms the next, your 2nd trip would be hindered by your FIRST. Your body would build a tolerance to BOTH substances, even though you only ingested one.

The trips and the substances are REMARKABLY similar, among this family of substances known as, "psychedelics"... All Trip Tips approved substances (except the smokables) are "Phenethylamines" or "Tryptamines" and you will experience cross-tolerance.

These compounds are so similar at the molecular level, a Scientific N00B would recognize them by eye.

That brings us to DMT... a smokable tryptamine which is also, produced in the human BRAIN. It too is quickly metabolized.

Now,

DXM is a "Dissociative" drug, like PCP (Angel Dust)... Please, go to ODD to discuss dissociatives.

The only dissociative psychedelic discussion allowed in here is about... Salvia.

Why allow one, and not the other? Simple. Smoked Salvia is EASILY metabolized by the body, unlike DXM, and the trip duration is VERY short... so Trip Tips mods are not stuck babysitting Salvia smokers.

We HAVE babysat and seen the aftermath of TOO MANY DXM trips... and too many Coricidin tales go sour.

As for marijuana, pot talk is allowed in most, if not all Shroomery forums. I have no problem with this. Do you?

Now, let's review what I have said earlier in this thread, since it seems a few of you have not read it... I feel like a broken record, so I'd rather be condescending... and quote myself from here on in...

Quote:

Cervantes said:
90% of the posts in THIS forum, that left a bad taste in my mouth, were DXM related.




Quote:

Cervantes said:
Don't forget... someone could have an allergic reaction to DXM too... or have trouble metabolizing it. These things are important to note... and they are DANGEROUS. They are especially dangerous if the person taking the DXM has been misinformed or is a young, newbie.




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Cervantes said:

This is not the correct forum for PCP, or similar substances. When in the right hands it can be swell, but it is a danger, if used incorrectly, and minors have easy, legal access to it. It will not be discussed in this forum for those reasons.

That, and I don't know much about it, nor do I care to. I can't effectively moderate a discussion about a substance that is unsafe, if I don't know my shit FIRST HAND. I do not need a DXM habit as a new hobby at this point in life. Sorry, that's your loss.





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Cervantes said:

I addressed some of these issues in my reply to BlueDolphin (especially an explanation of exactly what I mean by Shamanic Entheogen)... but here's some more...
just for you Organic :smile:

This isn't about me being BIASED towards any substance, it is about me, and other Mods being UNWILLING to deal with the PHYSICAL CONSEQUENCES that arise from taking such substances, or being INEXPERIENCED in using and/or guiding people who wish to take those substances. We can only moderate what we KNOW and UNDERSTAND, every Trip Tips Approved Entheogen is similar in nature... at least similar enough that we Mods can feel secure that we are GIVING GOOD SAFE HONEST (and often, SCIENTIFIC) advice.

I have learned more about DXM from THIS THREAD than I ever knew before I made it.

I ask you, do you really want ME to be Moderating discussions about a substance I know so little about?

Is that smart?

Is that safe?

Is that responsible?

Now let me ask you this: If DXM posts are made in a Forum where Moderators are willing to take on such topics, where Mods have a better understanding of the substance, isn't that a BETTER PLACE TO MAKE SUCH POSTS?

Isn't that safer?

Isn't that more responsible?

This is all I am asking of you. Post in THERE not HERE.
I keep saying... this isn't rocket science.

You ARE one of those people that misunderstands me... you are not the first... hell I made my signature because there are enough people here that need to read my words carefully, or perhaps would better understand what I was getting at better if you could hear my voice... instead of reading my text.

I assure you Organic, you have taken my words out of context many times in this thread, and I ask you to read what I say carefully, because there is obviously a syntax error. This IS NOT YOUR FAULT. It is not mine. Sometimes, people talk English to each other and it sounds like Swahili. I don't think we'd be disagreeing so vehemently if we were having this discussion over a beer.




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    #4327891 - 06/23/05 09:15 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4328001 - 06/23/05 10:15 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Is this thread closed or not? I NEVER ARGUED DXM POSTS BELONG IN THIS FORUM. However, if you are going to respond to MY post arguing about DXM, then you are VIOLATING YOUR OWN RULES. Or are you just interested in one sided propaganda?


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4328162 - 06/23/05 11:03 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

"What do you do to help make your psychedelic experiences enlightening and enjoyable? Post your suggestions and ideas here, or use the existing information to help plan a trip."

I just think DXM deserves the same, thats all. DXM seems to be the "nigger" of chemicals sometimes....


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: rfgdxm]
    #4328377 - 06/23/05 11:55 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

These are the same points I made a long time ago in this thread.

I would prefer DXM posts to not be allowed in here simply because some of the current mods are either uneducated or unwilling to become educated about DXM. To prevent further misinformation, this is vital.

Cervantes said:
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LSD, Mushrooms, Mescaline, Ayahuasca, LSA (Morning Glory and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose), DMT, Marijuana and Salvia...




I would prefer MDMA type posts would be treated with the same scrutiny. A simple 6 month search for "MDMA" in Trip Tips will yield 146 results. One has to be kidding themselves if they consider MDMA exponentially safer than DXM. Both are easily abused and lack sufficient data to say one way or the other if they are safe or not. If we are basing any judgement on post-experience reactions, many MDMA users can feel quite brain damaged.

This discussion is beat though, I'm done...the mods will enforce as they see fit.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #4328527 - 06/23/05 12:36 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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I would prefer MDMA type posts would be treated with the same scrutiny. A simple 6 month search for "MDMA" in Trip Tips will yield 146 results. One has to be kidding themselves if they consider MDMA exponentially safer than DXM.  Both are easily abused and lack sufficient data to say one way or the other if they are safe or not. If we are basing any judgement on post-experience reactions, many MDMA users can feel quite brain damaged.





There is a difference between "Feeling" brain damaged, and feeling, "Dead".

MDMA is a grey area. It is a Phenethylamine like mescaline... and CLOSELY related to Tryptamines. I have no problem with MDMA discussion in here. Planning a responsible MDMA trip is VERY similar to planning a responsible mushroom trip. Dehydration is your biggest risk... at least according to the science of today. Besides, I am familiar enough with the effects of MDMA to discuss it here, and to help others...

I do not feel like I am the right person to give DXM advice. The folks in ODD will gladly help with your DXM woes.

As of yet, MDMA has not caused problems in this forum like DXM has. Put simply... DXM discussion on this board draws a YOUNG crowd... often TOO YOUNG to legally view The Shroomery. W/O DXM chat, 90% of this forum's problems vanish.

I have seen TOO MUCH potentially FATAL advice given on these boards about DXM/Coricidin. I am not willing to have a Coricidin related death rest on my shoulders. And I am sick and tired of people having ALLERGIC REACTIONS, or being unable to METABOLIZE pure DXM. Please, don't kid yourself into thinking DXM is safer than MDMA... just because it is OTC.

Start your own website if you need a DXM Trip Tips forum. I'll direct people your way. :smile:


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: rfgdxm]
    #4328549 - 06/23/05 12:39 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

If you don't believe DXM is a different substance than the Trip Tips approved substances, and DXM fans can be immature and problematic in this forum, just compare the tone of THIS thread to the other threads in this forum.


You are telling me how to spell... but have you ever HELPED PEOPLE LEARN ABOUT TRIPPING IN HERE?

rfgdxm, the only things YOU HAVE EVER POSTED IN THIS FORUM, are in this thread... and let's see how you've helped this discussion... and our community as a whole, shall we?

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Could you please stick to facts? I have no problems with the Shroomery preferring posts about DXM being made elsewhere. However, the factual errors in your post above are staggering. Odds of a serious allergic reaction to DXM are very low. And as for *physical* risks, I see no compelling evidence that MDMA is safer than DXM. MDMA certainly has been involved in more deaths. And, when behavioral toxicity is considered, LSD has caused many more deaths than DXM.




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That's "psychedelic". And DXM meets the definition of a psychedelic based on any dictionary definition I have ever read.




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Is this thread closed or not? I NEVER ARGUED DXM POSTS BELONG IN THIS FORUM. However, if you are going to respond to MY post arguing about DXM, then you are VIOLATING YOUR OWN RULES. Or are you just interested in one sided propaganda?




There man. That is EVERY POST YOU HAVE MADE IN THIS FORUM, EVER. You've been quite helpful to our community over the last 4 years. :rolleyes:

And, you are the very definition of, "Troll". Last time I checked, trolling is against the Shroomery TOS.

Thanks for the help... I was going to lock this thread, then I realized it was only YOU that was acting out of line. Kindly review what has been said in this thread, and if you don't like it, contact an Admin.

If you can't help people in this forum, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. I have no reason to listen to your, "Crying over spilled milk."

You CAN talk about DXM in The Shroomery, just not in this forum. That is all you need to accept. Get it? Good.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4328552 - 06/23/05 12:40 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

www.thridplatue.org

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^^^ those are dxm websites, or you can go to ODD.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: barfightlard]
    #4328567 - 06/23/05 12:44 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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DXM seems to be the "nigger" of chemicals sometimes....




That is because it can be purchased by 12 year olds, who don't do their proper research before injesting. They buy the wrong stuff... and go to the hospital, DAILY.

There are only a handful of DXM fans over 21 years of age.

DXM is usually a substitute for booze... not shrooms... even though you can see shit when you injest it.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4328595 - 06/23/05 12:52 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Have you ever used DXM?? There is a mental trip too.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: barfightlard]
    #4328700 - 06/23/05 01:24 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yes I have, but I haven't broken through many plateaus, nor do I have the desire.

There also, is a mental trip on Opium, cocaine, and about any other MIND-ALTERING substance... doesn't mean they're allowed in here. :wink:


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4331012 - 06/24/05 12:12 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i completely agree , too many kids are getting their hands on these and whats behind this ?? too many STUPID kids peer pressuring and selling this stuff , coricidin , robotussin whatever , its all the same its SHIT and its damn down right dangerous , and in my opinion its just poison , haha yeah ive taken dxm a few times , its utter crap messes ya up more physically then it does mentally , its bad shit . Down with DXM


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4331166 - 06/24/05 01:34 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Cervantes,

Unfortunately you have caused me to lose a bit of respect for you after your last few posts. You are a good guy, but misinformed on this issue. Please don't spew statistics or assumptions simply based on hearsay. I really don't care if DXM can be posted in Trip Tips or not... all that really bothers me is that you are spreading misinformation. You expect other people to do research and bring you back statistics, but you make no effort to learn about it yourself. You are right that DXM generally attracts a young crowd because of it's high accessibility, unfortunately. People that use Coricidin are taking the equivalent risk as someone taking large amounts of Amanita Muscaria.

Like I said before, you'd be surprised how many people over 21 use DXM. I am nearly 21, and I am acquainted with more than a handful of people over 21 that use it on a regular basis. So please don't assume things, and if you do assume something you don't know about, why state it? Also, rfgdxm is renowned in the DXM community for his knowledge and writings, so I'd hardly call him a troll.

Cervantes, please don't take my comments as disrespectful criticism. I just wanted to clear those things up. You really are a good guy.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4331566 - 06/24/05 08:12 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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That is because it can be purchased by 12 year olds, who don't do their proper research before injesting. They buy the wrong stuff... and go to the hospital, DAILY.




As if any drug legal or not couldn't be attained by a 12 year old? And their dealers give out a safety information pamphlet? I've heard a lot of prohibitionists use that argument against legalizing marijuana.

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Please, don't kid yourself into thinking DXM is safer than MDMA... just because it is OTC.




I don't. Please, don't jump on the anti-DXM bandwagon because some of the people that use it may be underage and it isn't taboo enough for a dealer to carry. Once again, I don't care if its banned from this forum, but the amount of misinformation regarding DXM in this thread coming from you is overwhelming, as MANY people have stated.

I would wager that daily moderate doses of MDMA would cause more damage than daily moderate doses of DXM. This is based on personal experience of eating pure MDMA and DXM, experience of close friends that have dexed semi-daily for over 7 years, and experience of friends that have rolled semi-daily for months at a time. There are users of MDMA that will eat 10 pills of X in one night just as there are users of DXM that will OD by drinking an extra 4oz of tussin. Neither one is a wise decision, but I don't correspondingly lump all X users into dumb candy kids that eat too many pills all the time. Responsible use of any drug is possible. Knowing your body and mind (read: allergies, metabolism) before dosing is an integral part of that, for ANY substance.

It would be nice if this thread was actually locked and a sticky that simply says "We don't have a clue about DXM, don't talk about it" would be enacted. Thanks for your time.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #4331571 - 06/24/05 08:17 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

No dxm posts in trip tips, keep it in ODD.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: gdman]
    #4331575 - 06/24/05 08:20 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Why did you reply to me? If you read my post, I have no problem with that. Spreading misinformation about DXM is my problem.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #4331577 - 06/24/05 08:21 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry, I just quick replied.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: matchbook]
    #4331799 - 06/24/05 09:57 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Cervantes,

Unfortunately you have caused me to lose a bit of respect for you after your last few posts. You are a good guy, but misinformed on this issue.




I'm sorry I've lost some of your respect, but I don't know how many times I have said, in this thread alone, "I am not properly trained to deal with DXM, and neither are the other Trip Tips Mods."

I don't understand the trip, and I should NOT be giving DXM advice. Period. I think I am being RESPONSIBLE admitting this, and sending people to a forum where they can get the advice they need.

You complain about mis-information, then you say I should continue allowing discussion. The ONLY way to stop the mis-info is to STOP the discussion. You should see some of the dangerous and shitty DXM advice people have been given in this forum!

Would it be better if I gave BAD advice to n00bs, or if I sent them somewhere they could get better, safer advice?

If THIS is why I lost your respect; with all due respect, I don't want it.

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matchbook said:Please don't spew statistics or assumptions simply based on hearsay. I really don't care if DXM can be posted in Trip Tips or not... all that really bothers me is that you are spreading misinformation. You expect other people to do research and bring you back statistics, but you make no effort to learn about it yourself. You are right that DXM generally attracts a young crowd because of it's high accessibility, unfortunately. People that use Coricidin are taking the equivalent risk as someone taking large amounts of Amanita Muscaria.




I do NOT expect other people to bring me research about DXM... but when people claim DXM is safer than LSD and MDMA, I will request PROOF. I actually DO know a thing or two about those substances.

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matchbook said:Also, rfgdxm is renowned in the DXM community for his knowledge and writings, so I'd hardly call him a troll.




I only call him a troll because of what he has posted in THIS forum. I imagine he can wax on quite eloquently about DXM... in forums where such discussion is allowed. Unfortunately, his posts have done NOTHING to change my mind in here. And he should learn... you get more flies with sugar, than vinegar.

I don't know the guy... I only know the THREE posts he has made in here, and matchbook, (if what you say about him is true) those posts were not becoming of him.

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matchbook said:Cervantes, please don't take my comments as disrespectful criticism. I just wanted to clear those things up. You really are a good guy.




Thank you.

To review...

I think we'd both agree, I am NOT the guy you should be asking for SAFE DXM info... so I'm sending people with DXM questions to ODD.

I'm sorry if I have lost your respect, but I'd loose my SELF respect if I continued allowing DXM posts in this Forum... and I don't sleep with you, I sleep with myself EVERY single night.

Besides, I am only following Administrative orders... and I would be in trouble if I ignored my bosses. If you have further problems with this rule, please contact any Admin you wish, and see what they have to say.

So, I suppose your lost respect, is a casulty of me... just doing my job. I can live with that.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4331865 - 06/24/05 10:10 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

my opinion on "you cant talk about X drug because we dont like it" is absurd. would you rather the people stay uneducated and risk their life? ive hundreds of experiences with DXM. it IS safe, granted you know you arent allergic to it (or enzyme deficient), and use products with only DXM in it. it's one of the safest drugs out there, again, granted you dont fit into the categories above.

c'mon, what happened to harm reduction? not push-it-under-the-carpet tactics :frown:

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: pH_]
    #4331898 - 06/24/05 10:20 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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my opinion on "you cant talk about X drug because we dont like it" is absurd. would you rather the people stay uneducated and risk their life? ive hundreds of experiences with DXM. it IS safe, granted you know you arent allergic to it (or enzyme deficient), and use products with only DXM in it. it's one of the safest drugs out there, again, granted you dont fit into the categories above.

c'mon, what happened to harm reduction? not push-it-under-the-carpet tactics :frown:




Nobody complains about the no Crack and Opiate rule in here... only DXM...

OK, if you are going to ask the same question that was just asked, and ANSWERED, I will paste my reply to the last person who asked that SAME question.

The answer hasn't changed in the last 30 minutes.

I highly suggest you read it this time, and contact an Admin if you have any problems.'

What's up with all the people with under 100 posts, telling us how to run The Shroomery!?!

I mean no offense, I'm just more prone to listen to the people who have actually HELPED people in this Forum countless times.

New folks simply haven't seen some of the REALLY BAD, DRUG RELATED shit that has happened here at The Shroomery.

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I'm sorry I've lost some of your respect, but I don't know how many times I have said, in this thread alone, "I am not properly trained to deal with DXM, and neither are the other Trip Tips Mods."

I don't understand the trip, and I should NOT be giving DXM advice. Period. I think I am being RESPONSIBLE admitting this, and sending people to a forum where they can get the advice they need.

You complain about mis-information, then you say I should continue allowing discussion. The ONLY way to stop the mis-info is to STOP the discussion. You should see some of the dangerous and shitty DXM advice people have been given in this forum!

Would it be better if I gave BAD advice to n00bs, or if I sent them somewhere they could get better, safer advice?






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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: pH_]
    #4331907 - 06/24/05 10:22 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Has there been any research about the safety of large (what you would call recreational doses) of DXM? Maybe 5-20 mg is safe, but is 500? 1000? The reason why we don't allow discussion is for harm reduction, would you rather us give out dangerous advise?

As far as amanitas, I don't know why the poster felt this analogy is at all true, or relevant. CCCs can and will kill/cause injury in recreational doses. Just because it didn't happen the first time, or even the first 10 times, doesn't mean it won't happen (ever play Russian roulette?) It's totally irrelevant anyway, because we do not discus amanitas in this forum.

This is all beside the point, because, quite frankly: the trip tip mods don't want DXM discussion in trip tips, the admins do not want dxm discussion, so there won't be dxm discussion in trip tips.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: gdman]
    #4331917 - 06/24/05 10:24 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4332292 - 06/24/05 11:55 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Cervantes said:I'm sorry I've lost some of your respect, but I don't know how many times I have said, in this thread alone, "I am not properly trained to deal with DXM, and neither are the other Trip Tips Mods."

I don't understand the trip, and I should NOT be giving DXM advice. Period. I think I am being RESPONSIBLE admitting this, and sending people to a forum where they can get the advice they need.




I agree and don't really see what the problem is. The mods and users in ODD are much more prepared to deal with DXM tips and advice then we are in here.

And isn't that the goal? Directing DXM experimenters to people who actually have the expertise and knowledge to help them?

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: MOTH]
    #4332304 - 06/24/05 12:01 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I've been following this thread and yeah, I don't get it. It's not like the rule is "No DXM on the Shroomery" it's...post in ODD instead of Trip Tips. What the heck's the problem?


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: MOTH]
    #4332438 - 06/24/05 12:42 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe Trip Tips needs another mod who knows more about DXM.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: barfightlard]
    #4332452 - 06/24/05 12:47 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sure if the admins thought that was a priority they'd make that happen.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: barfightlard]
    #4332456 - 06/24/05 12:47 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

If you wish to discus dxm, do it in ODD two forums down.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4332711 - 06/24/05 02:04 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Oook this is where I tag in. *clap*

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Mescaline
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All these have one major thing in common: they primarily act on the serotonin/dopamine system. All are fullblown hallucinogens except the MDA family which are partial hallucinogens, but even these give wild closed eye visuals in the afterphase of a high dose. All these arguably belong to the psychedelics class. These are characterized by absence of serious toxicity, absence of a specific withdrawal/addiction pattern, cyclic tolerance, a tendency towards increased responsible use, and a tendency for the users to wait, on average, 2 months between doses.

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DXM is nothing of the sort. DXM is a dissociative. It has significant toxic action, significant overdose potential, a strong dominant intoxication with a visionary *component*, progressive tolerance, specific addiction/withdrawal patterns, a tendency towards decreasingly responsible use and a tendency towards frequent use.

PCP
Ketamine
DXM
Tiletamine
MK-801
Rolicyclidine

That is the group of dissociatives DXM belongs to. Guess what? They all are known for addiction, for warping the minds of users upon abuse and all of them are proven to cause brain damage upon overly frequent use of especially high doses Yes. All of them. Ketamine is known to addict and derange frequent users. DXM is changed by the liver into DXO and DXO is used in the biolab as a braindamage inducing agent in laboratory animals.

Without dragging it out too far: I have strong reasons to believe that every significant dose of DXM causes a small amount of irreversible brain damage and that all these damages taken in your lifetime all add up to give a greater braindamage. Thats how it works with all other drugs in this category. Thats how it works in lab animals with the DXO that is formed from DXM in *your liver*.

DXM has about 1/100 the potency of PCP. Nontheless I would much rather take a medium dose of PCP than an equally strong dose of DXM for health reasons. I believe DXM is more detrimental to longterm health than PCP. DXM was never meant to be used in the hundreds of miligrams, while "recreational" doses of PCP are doses within the pharmacological range that was Rx until discontinuation because of hallucinations.

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It's clear that DXM is not a Psychedelic but a Dissociative. That its major risk area is not psychologic, but physical/neurologic.
Contrary to "psychedelics" that storebought bottle of DXM is a HARD DRUG and not a benign one. It should go where the Hard Drugs go:
ODD - Other Drugs Discussion

This is the Psychedelic Shroom-ery not the Dissociative PCP-ery.
It's an Other Drug; ODD.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Asante]
    #4332792 - 06/24/05 02:34 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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The prostitution rests  :crazy2:




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    #4334740 - 06/25/05 12:47 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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    #4335167 - 06/25/05 05:19 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Cervantes, perhaps it was rash of me to say that I lost any respect for you. I was simply taken aback by the fact that you were stating assumptions about DXM as if they were fact. I don't like to stir up trouble, I'm usually a peacemaker, but I tend to react when I see misinformation. I willingly accept that you aren't knowledgeable about DXM, and again, I don't really mind if DXM can be discussed here. I just wanted to reply to some statements made.

gdman, I just used the Amanita analogy because I thought it made sense. Perhaps it doesn't. But Amanita Muscaria can be dangerous, as well as Coricidin. They are branches of both "shrooms" and "dxm". Using either of them incorrectly can cause serious consequences. I wasn't referring to Amanitas because they are talked about here.. I just thought it was relevant. If you don't care for my analogy, that's fine.

Wiccan_Seeker,
I wouldn't get too pumped up over your "illucidating" post. You post eloquently, but unfortunately you don't seem to know what you are talking about. You are correct that DXM is a dissociative, but incorrect in stating that it is not a psychedelic. It is simply another branch of psychedelics. You better inform Erowid, because on their DXM page it states "EFFECTS CLASSIFICATION: Dissociative; Psychedelic; Cough Suppressant". DXM is also a hallucinogen; much more than MDMA is. Also you are incorrect that DXM does not have an effect on the Serotonin or Dopamine system, as DXM effects both the PCP2 and likely the 5HT1A receptors. Do a little research first. As far as your claims on brain damage go, you should post a link to the information. Saying DXM causes brain damage is like saying shrooms cause schizophrenia. Maybe it happens, maybe it doesn't. It can depend on the person possibly, but more research needs to be done. So far there are no conclusive studies done on humans involving brain damage from DXM. If you know of any, please grace us with the information. Lastly, your claim that the risk area of DXM is physical, not psychological. Are you talking about addiction? If so, your claim swims upstream of every study done on DXM. Next time you post, consider substance, not eloquence.

...I just want to say that I don't understand why this thread continues to be open, as it really only promotes arguments between those who disagree. The rule was made. It's over. Now if some intelligent banter comes up, then I see good reason why the thread should continue.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: matchbook]
    #4335212 - 06/25/05 06:06 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker,
You post eloquently, but unfortunately you don't seem to know what you are talking about.




:rotfl:

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You are correct that DXM is a dissociative, but incorrect in stating that it is not a psychedelic. It is simply another branch of psychedelics.




Oook.. by your definition Datura and Butane are psychedelics too. If you use the dictionary.com definition of psychedelic then you could argue high-dose meth is a psychedelic. After all, it causes hallucinations too.

The word Psychedelic was coined for "drugs resembling mescaline and LSD in action to set them apart from other drugs that induce hallucinations". The hippies chugged Romilar (DXM) and didnt call that a psycheedelic. Some called PCP a psychedelic and the subculture paid a high price for endorsing "the peace pill".

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Also you are incorrect that DXM does not have an effect on the Serotonin or Dopamine system, as DXM effects both the PCP2 and likely the 5HT1A receptors. Do a little research first.




Do a little reading-of-my-post first. I was talking about its major action.

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As far as your claims on brain damage go, you should post a link to the information. Saying DXM causes brain damage is like saying shrooms cause schizophrenia. Maybe it happens, maybe it doesn't.




That is a member's point of view, not a moderator's. If there is an overwhelmiming likelyness that DXM does cause brain damage (all dissociatives do it, and the DXO your liver makes of it does it) a moderator will not shrug his shoulders and say "hey maybe it does and maybe it doesnt." You are defending the medicinal properties of a drug. That means that the burden of proof lies with you to prove it is safe. Prove conclusively that doses of DXM in the high 100s are safe.

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So far there are no conclusive studies done on humans involving brain damage from DXM. If you know of any, please grace us with the information.




I will grace you with the observation that many ex-bingers of DXM state they have not returned to normal. Decreased ability to concentrate, learning and recall difficulties.. For years after their use. I will also grace you with the observaiton that many heavy users after "so many" doses lose any and all recreational activity? They pop a gram of DXM and nothing resembling the natural effects of DXM on their brains occurs anymore. DXM binging in many destroys the capacity to get high on DXM which is not a psychological effect nor tolerance. Could it be that they "burn it out of their brains" by repeated exposure to a neurotoxin?

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Lastly, your claim that the risk area of DXM is physical, not psychological. Are you talking about addiction? If so, your claim swims upstream of every study done on DXM.




Howe about the highly likely brain damage? How about hepatotoxicity and dangeous allergic reactions? Coma and death from overdoses? And what do you call people who use DXM multiple times a week, ruining their education with it and swigging syrup together with an antinauseant pill to keep it in long enough? Its not a fascination.

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Next time you post, consider substance, not eloquence.




And when you make your 40th post in this community make sure that it holds substance. What substance does your post hold?

this is not proven, that is uncertain, let's assume it is harmless

where are your links that prove safety?

We are a community. We have members who have lost friends to DXM. Young people killed by pure DXM products, not Coricidin. We have members who get sudden severe poisoning symptoms on doses they took before with no appearant harm. We had to terminate memberships by users who recklessly endangered themselves with multigram quantities of DXM, intermitted with posts that they will never touch the stuff again, and followed by a severe binge on the same or next day. We have people who flushed their DXM into the toilet, and then raced to town to buy another bottle and get high that night. We have members complaining of what until now is lasting injury. We have banned members who joined for the sole purpose to get the information how to make pills of DXM and pass them off as ecstasy in their local club.
We have members throwing DXM in the mix with just about anything and end up in the ER.
Those aren't "laboratory conditions", this is reality and reality has little to do with pipetting 1mg/kg into a rat's mouth in a sterile lab.

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If so, your claim swims upstream of every study done on DXM.




It is great you have knowledge of all research on DXM but our members here see another picture pop up occasionally in ODD. And we moderators, behind the scenes, see a lot more than that.

Right here on the Shroomery we see the real face of DXM and man it's ugly. There has been talk of a zero-tolerance policy on DXM but until now it's decided that it's an OTHER drug, hence ODD.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: matchbook]
    #4335489 - 06/25/05 09:55 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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gdman, I just used the Amanita analogy because I thought it made sense. Perhaps it doesn't. But Amanita Muscaria can be dangerous, as well as Coricidin. They are branches of both "shrooms" and "dxm". Using either of them incorrectly can cause serious consequences. I wasn't referring to Amanitas because they are talked about here.. I just thought it was relevant. If you don't care for my analogy, that's fine.




You really, really seem to be reaching to try to defend dxm. Amaniats and magic mushrooms really have nothing to do with each other. You should never, ever use CCC for recreation.

You're kidding yourself if you think DXM is harmless, you're just so adamant about it because it's your drug of choice, honestly, your in denial. I see it all the time with people who use all kinds of drugs (hell, I've been guilty of it from time to time). Read Wiccan's follow up post, I've seen all that shit happen to members here who used a lot of DXM. There was a person here that was poisoned by dxm, swore he would never touch the stuff again, almost literally the next day he made posts reporting the next dose he was taking. That is not normal behavior, that behavior is consistent with addiction. Disociatives cause addiction, just like any other addictive drug.

I've seen it happen too much here, I don't want to see it to anyone here again, I care about the people who post here too much.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Asante]
    #4335638 - 06/25/05 11:06 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
It's clear that DXM is not a Psychedelic but a Dissociative.




To you. To me it is clear that DXM is both a dissociative and a psychedelic. But then again I've dosed on DXM dozens of times, so I probably have some idea what I'm talking about.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: bluedolphin]
    #4335646 - 06/25/05 11:12 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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To you. To me it is clear that DXM is both a dissociative and a psychedelic. But then again I've dosed on DXM dozens of times, so I probably have some idea what I'm talking about.




Ok, what sets it apart from other Dissociatives enough to make it
"both a dissociative and a psychedelic" Or do you simply choose to call all Dissociatives "both a Dissociative and a Psychedelic" and is this just a play of words? What is your definition of "psychedelic"?
And why is it not "just" a Dissociative?

If you mean that it causes visuals and Profound Spiritual Revelations.. well so do Datura, meth overdose and paint huffing. And they're "Other Drugs". Part of the ODD criterium is that it also adopts authentic psychedelics (such as 2C-I) that are not proven to be as safe as the Major Psychedelics.

Many call 1 gram a "regular dose". 2 gr has proven lethal. So you have a "regular dose" times two equaling a lethal dose?
Thats a poisoning not a drug.

Oh and who says I have not used DXM in the past?


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: bluedolphin]
    #4335709 - 06/25/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Just cause something makes you see things and might give you a profound experience, it doesn't make it a psychedelic. DXM is not a psychedelic.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4335729 - 06/25/05 11:43 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

All this debate is all beside the point:


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gdman said:
No dxm posts in trip tips, keep it in ODD.







It's not as if we have a "zero tolerance" polacy against DXM at the shroomery at this time, just keep it in ODD.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: gdman]
    #4336289 - 06/25/05 03:06 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

oookie Wiccan, i don't know you but i have to take a shot at your credibility when it comes to DXM also.

"The hippies chugged Romilar (DXM)"

Romilar was a pill, not a syrup, hense you cant chug it. i would also argue that DXM is psychedelic in its own way. sure it isnt like lsd, or mescaline, but it is definately psychedelic. psychedelic as in mind manifesting. as for damages, im am not sure about damage but your liver could take a hurting. if youre enzyme deficient, a normal recreational dose could pose a serious, lifethreatening danger (if youve taken a normal dose of dxm for a cold, you would have found out if you were enzyme deficient). for addiction, i guess any substance can cause addition. for me, after using it for 2 months heavily, i quit cold turkey no problem. sure i had a few days of a "bleh"-type mental mood, but overall i am the same person i was before.

brain damage? please, show me proof. the only thing ive ever read about brain damage linked to dxm (and other disassociatives, if im not mistaken) are Olney's Lesions. William White later took back his statement about Olney's Lessions and DXM. is brain damage possible? yeah, im sure it is. you know the saying, enough of anything is bad for you.

i guess i should have read the original post more carefully, i thought it said no DXM discussion anywhere on the shroomery.

cya

edit: "Many call 1 gram a "regular dose"." again im not sure where you are reading this. a lot of people do hover around 1g and beyond because thats where their tolerance is. personally, i would never ever take 1gram. a dose that was a few hundred mg below that made me black out and have no recollection of what i did. ymmv, but i would definately not say 1g is the regular dose, most of the people on a forum dedicated to DXM hover around half of that, if not less.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: pH_]
    #4336472 - 06/25/05 03:53 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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i guess i should have read the original post more carefully, i thought it said no DXM discussion anywhere on the shroomery.






I guess you should've read ALMOST every post in this thread more carefully.

COUNT how many times we say, "GO TO Other Drugs Discussion to talk about DXM." in this thread...

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4336801 - 06/25/05 05:23 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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veggie said:
Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose
June 21, 2005 - nbc-2.com

CAPE CORAL - Cape Coral police say two nineteen year olds who died in February died from an overdose of dextromethorphan (DXM), a synthetically produced ingredient found in many over-the-counter cough and cold remedies. The website where they purchased the drug has been shut down and is under investigation by the FDA.

The website for the company Chemical API, where Steve Wambolt and Chris Hundley purchased the powdered form of DXM, has been shut down and the company is under investigation by federal, state and local authorities for selling DXM.

"The autopsy report showed the boys died from ingestion of dextromethorphan and diphenhydramine, an overdose of the drugs," said Detective Bennett Walker of the Cape Coral Police Department.

Walker says the teenagers bought the pure powder form of DXM from the Chemical-API website.

According to the Cape Coral Police Department says the company was selling the drug without a license.

"They were targeting individual users and people who abuse the drug and that's why we're investigating this company, and that's still the evidence we're trying to gain to bring criminal prosecution against them," said Walker.

US Senator Bill Nelson says he wants the FDA to regulate websites that sell drugs online.

"By saying you have to use a tax ID number or some kind of password in order to prevent the kind of situation that happened in SWFL, where kids go on a website and started ordering drugs," said Nelson.

Steve Wambolt's father says he supports an investigation into the company that sold his sons the drugs and believes there should be strict guidelines for any company selling drugs over the internet.

He says parents and kids need to realize how dangerous over-the-counter medicine can be - and his son's death is perfect example.

Detective Walker says they need to prove intent from the company, meaning those behind Chemical API knew they were selling DXM to people wanting to use the drug to get high.

Walker hopes to bring criminal charges against the company by the end of the year.

DXM is found in more than 120 prescription cough and cold medicines. The government classifies DXM as a "drug of concern" because of its potential for misuse.

* Related story: Friend claims teens overdosed on DXM




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Re: Please, No DXM Posts in The Psychedelic Experience Forum!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4640779 - 09/10/05 02:28 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Bump...

This forum is not Moderated with a crew of people prepared to handle the drama and trauma of DXM posts. Please, post DXM threads in ODD instead. If you are too n00 to see the ODD forum (Other Drugs Discussion) kindly go somewhere else (another website) to discuss DXM.

This thread will remain open, but the rule will stand... because, as previously stated, The Shroomery has another forum for all DXM related threads.

Fellow Shroomerites, please discourage DXM discussion in here, until a Mod or Admin moves or locks the thread.

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Re: Please, No DXM Posts in The Psychedelic Experience Forum!!! [Re: Rose]
    #4648301 - 09/11/05 10:29 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Dxm is interesting unless your an idiot, sorry, its that cut and dry.
Though its not best to take it very often(cold medicine), and its not a very visual substance, as it is a dissociative.
Kids like it for the high, many think it is ridiculous because of the lack of visuals it provides.
All in all, i think it is a waist of time, though it is just simply the typical dissos.

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Re: Please, No DXM Posts in The Psychedelic Experience Forum!!! [Re: stemmer]
    #4648327 - 09/11/05 10:34 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

so quit being such harsh a-holes toward those who find it interesting. Dont get me wrong, kids shouldnt take the stuff just cause they can get it.
And I dont take it myself, though I have found interest in dissociatives at one time in my life.

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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: ld50negative1]
    #4649857 - 09/12/05 11:13 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I agree, DXM is potentially dangerous.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: sunshine]
    #4650101 - 09/12/05 12:17 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

My mouse is potentially dangerous if I intend to smash myself in the face with it.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
    #4650142 - 09/12/05 12:27 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Hm...you know what...I don't believe you know how to handle your mouse responsibly, so I'm just gonna go ahead and prohibit you from using your mouse. Ever again, at least in this forum :smirk:


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: dblaney]
    #4650171 - 09/12/05 12:31 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Sound advice...I hereby renounce my mouse abuse before I CLEARLY become more brain damaged :smirk:

Mouse abusers are like sooooo not enlightened :gayflag:


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    #4650177 - 09/12/05 12:31 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: dblaney]
    #4654549 - 09/13/05 11:15 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Look, all I meant was that DXM is a dangerous drug.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: sunshine]
    #4655255 - 09/13/05 01:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I disagree. You make it sound like it is inherently dangerous, but, like all drugs, only the user makes it so.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: zSDMF]
    #8427082 - 05/21/08 01:37 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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zSDMF said:
dxm should be illegal. i admit to posting trip reports and advice on dxm, but i take it all back. it's a horrid drug.

all drugs are to me right now.

despite what you may think, dxm will kill you. it nearly killed me.


edit: oh, before you guys get on my nuts about me dosing on c's and i was stupid for doing it, let me tell you something.

i knew ALL the erowid facts. i "knew" my body and i thought sinse i've done the exact same combo before(and I spaced the trips out by a month, like reccomended, every time) i'd be fine. i knew all the catches with DXM. i knew set and setting. i knew dxm was a disassociative. i knew DXM was like PCP and ketamine. i 'knew' how my body reacted to dxm and i 'knew' what i could take.



the next thing i really knew was I was in the ER having seizures and being detoxed. don't be a fucking fool. don't think cause you dose on robotussin max cough syurp or robo cough gels you're safe. you aren't. dxm did this to me, not coricidin. don't be a fucking fool.




Thats odd..I've taken 32 c's on a fri night..then again on a sat night many many times..never hurt a hair on my head..


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    #8427309 - 05/21/08 03:36 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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lol sorry. I was just searching and didnt see how old the thread was.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: the_0wl]
    #8427934 - 05/21/08 09:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

DXM sucks. if there was one thing i wish i never tried (6 times) it would be DXM. fucking dirty, cheap, deceptive, high-school-kids-who-can't-get shrooms/acid/mescaline drug


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8428191 - 05/21/08 10:25 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Dxm should not be in the psychedelic forum for the obvious reason that it is not a hallucinogen. There are many reasons that this seperation should be apparent to society in general.

But most of these biased elaborations I find ridiculous. I agree with the basic intent of this thread, and perhaps a few posters, but it seems to me, nearly everyone is going about this the wrong way.

In particular, many posters seem to be perpetuating the conceptual connection between these two different kinds of drugs, which is exactly opposite to the threads intent.

Describing it as an alternative to acid, faggy shrooms, or cheap, amatuer LSD, only creates further association.

It reminds me of those TV stations like E! and VH1, where the image of popstars are criticised in the name of "counterculture"; all the while this attitude is actually the basic drive behind these trashy stars' fame.

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Re: Please, No DXM Posts in The Psychedelic Experience Forum!!! [Re: Rose]
    #8428270 - 05/21/08 10:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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DXM can be very dangerous, there is a good chance of an allergic reaction, or if you take the wrong stuff, death.

DXM can be purchased by people too young to buy cigarettes or beer.

There have been a shitload of DXM posts in here lately.

Please stop, OR if you see a DXM post, please, help me out and tell the poster it is not allowed in this forum.

DON'T GIVE DXM ADVICE IN HERE and people will stop posting about it.

There are better forums for such discussion.

This is NOT the forum for teaching teens how to get high on a DANGEROUS substance.

This is a Forum for Traditional Shamanistic Entheogens, LSD and arguably MDMA... IE: DXM is not PHYSICALLY safe enough for this Forum. No RC's or over the counter medication are allowed in here. This is simply the WRONG forum for such discussion.

The Permitted, Trip Tips Approved Entheogens do come with some degree of PSYCHOLOGICAL risk, but their PHYSICAL risk is relatively small... ESPECIALLY when compared to DXM.

There are better, safer substances for TRIPPING. :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2:

Thanks for your help.





The thing is cervantes you're being entirely opinion based.  In my opinion, habitual and improper recreational use of dxm isn't the best way to go I agree with you there.

But I've done it many times and I know what has happened due to me doing it. I know people who were addicted to it for many years, no one has shown brain damage of any sort from what I can see ( emotional problems, problems with life, every day problems, imbalance of serotonin and such, addiction ) if anything they learned something from it... getting to know your self better.

Theres not much research that shows much negativity about DXM (true research anyway). It's just like the rumors you hear about acid and shrooms.

No drug is good for anyone of any sort man, sticking to acid or shrooms isn't good either. granted they've been around for a long time but DXM has been around since the 50's MAYBE 60's (Actually here)
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dextromethorphan was first patented under U.S. Patent 2,676,177 . The FDA approved dextromethorphan for over-the-counter sale as a cough suppressant in 1958.





It's an opiate man, sure it reacts on a different receptor
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When taken at doses higher than are medically recommended, dextromethorphan acts as a dissociative hallucinogenic drug. It is classified neurochemically as an NMDA receptor antagonist




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DXM is not PHYSICALLY safe enough for this Forum. No RC's or over the counter medication are allowed in here. This is simply the WRONG forum for such discussion





As i said befor man, it's all your opinion I beleive that it should be allowed here since... it's quickly becoming a "Traditional" drug




And for the record

DXM is VERY hallucinogenic


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Re: Please, No DXM Posts in The Psychedelic Experience Forum!!! [Re: Nexius]
    #8428734 - 05/21/08 01:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

This is such an OLD thread.

Back when I was a Mod in here, I got sick of babysitting DEX-heads.

Their trip is NOTHING like a mushroom trip and the Moderators of ODD were more capable of discussing it.

But, like I said, this is an OLD thread. Don't get your panties in a wad.

I do however stand by my opinion... if a forum is full of Mods who don't UNDERSTAND DXM... they shouldn't be giving people advice on how to use it.


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Re: Please, No DXM Posts in The Psychedelic Experience Forum!!! [Re: Rose]
    #8428751 - 05/21/08 01:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I do agree with that, if you don't know the drug don't give advice..

That's how people get hurt


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    #8428924 - 05/21/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

This post and "rule" is ridiculous. If SOOOOO many people consider DXM to be a psychedelic, shouldn't that tell you something? Oh by the way, you can have an allergic reaction to almost anything.


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    #8429133 - 05/21/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Why comment on a 4 year old thread... when you have only been here for two?

Like I said, this is an OLD rule from an OLD thread. It isn't pinned... someone just dug it up from the catacombs today.

I no longer Moderate this forum. The rule is no longer in effect.

When this rule was in effect it was because the OLD Mods of THIS forum knew NOTHING about DXM... and therefore shouldn't have been advising people on how to USE it. Anything less would have been dangerous... and verging on criminal.

That, AND Dex-ers are often quite RUDE when offering their opinions. Look at your post... and how you ignored the recent posts in this thread... before posting your un-informed opinion.

As a Mod, I got tired of dealing with Dex-ers who had done little to no research... coming into this forum and pretending their over the counter drug of choice was perfectly safe.

I was more than happy to let other Mods deal with the DEX-heads.

DEX is NOT perfectly safe. It is cough medicine/PCP... and you have to take LARGE amounts to "Trip" which GREATLY increases the likelyhood of an alergic reaction... or worse.

It is in no way related to Pot, shrooms, salvia, DMT or other psychedelics.

This forum is called The Psychedelic Experience... not the DEX-head Hangout.

If you wish to post about PCP you must post in ODD... and since DEX is roughly the SAME THING... I think it should still be discusses in there.

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Re: undefined [Re: Rose]
    #8429243 - 05/21/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Why comment on a 4 year old thread... when you have only been here for two?

Like I said, this is an OLD rule from an OLD thread. It isn't pinned... someone just dug it up from the catacombs today.

I no longer Moderate this forum. The rule is no longer in effect.

When this rule was in effect it was because the OLD Mods of THIS forum knew NOTHING about DXM... and therefore shouldn't have been advising people on how to USE it. Anything less would have been dangerous... and verging on criminal.

That, AND Dex-ers are often quite RUDE when offering their opinions. Look at your post... and how you ignored the recent posts in this thread... before posting your un-informed opinion.

As a Mod, I got tired of dealing with Dex-ers who had done little to no research... coming into this forum and pretending their over the counter drug of choice was perfectly safe.

I was more than happy to let other Mods deal with the DEX-heads.

DEX is NOT perfectly safe. It is cough medicine/PCP... and you have to take LARGE amounts to "Trip" which GREATLY increases the likelyhood of an alergic reaction... or worse.

It is in no way related to Pot, shrooms, salvia, DMT or other psychedelics.

This forum is called The Psychedelic Experience... not the DEX-head Hangout.

If you wish to post about PCP you must post in ODD... and since DEX is roughly the SAME THING... I think it should still be discusses in there.

So, thank your lucky stars that I am no longer Moderating this forum.




CURSE YOU, LUCKY STARS! Somebody like you needs to be here to control this bullshit. I just spent an entire night trying to explain to some folks about the dangers of this substance and none of them were giving anything but SUBJECTIVE experience as just cause.

"DUDE I TRIP ON IT."

No you fucking don't. You Dissociate on it. As I said in the other thread, anyone who knows anything about brain chemistry knows that the slower a substance leaves your body, the more dangerous. I'm not THAT equipped to discuss ODD's but I do know common sense and I will continue to rail against this drug wherever it is supported.

This drug is psychedelic at no dose. All experiences are subjective. There has been no clinical testing at dissociative doses. End of story.

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    #8904594 - 09/09/08 10:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I disagree.

I think the negativity surrounding DXM comes from misinformation and a dirty pre-implied mentality about the drug simply because it is "cough syrup". This is a "only junkies drink cough syrup to get high" public image/attitude that most people will not part from, making the line between users and non-users a bold one. Some of you say "screw DXM take shrooms or LSD" well obviously if everyone had shrooms they wouldnt care about DXM... and thats a bad comparison besides...

I have taken dxm/lsd/shrooms many times and enjoy each for their respective properties, however I truely like DXM the most. I have taken DXM perhaps 100+ times in a period of 6 years, and treat the experience as a "trip" since I do the same preparations of mood/settings before hand as with mushrooms/acid/dmt/datura. For me DXM is not specifically spiritual, but can be used as a powerful contemplative tool. In times of worry I would use DXM to flow through deep thoughts and eventually coming to profound life changing truths. A few times when I had been depressed before I took DXM, I would come out of the experience feeling great and this "trip" had the effect of curing my depression long term.

If the user knows what he/she is doing I strongly believe it is both safe and effective at both medicinal and recreational doses. The key to safety is simply buying products where DXM hbr is the ONLY ingredient...

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    #8904637 - 09/09/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

You're right. :thumbup:


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    #8913030 - 09/11/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Why do people keep bumping this OLD OLD OLD thread... when they don't even read all the posts before replying?


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Re: undefined [Re: Rose]
    #8913143 - 09/11/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Why [...]... when they don't even read all the posts before replying?




Probably because there's a whole 9 pages of them.

Anyways, my 2 cents on this is that "psychedelic" is quite subjective, and if somebody feels like talking about a psychedelic experience they had from whatever drug, then it's welcome in this forum.

Oh, and "RC's" is quite vague, and many Research Chemicals are quite safe, and definitely psychedelics.


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    #8913619 - 09/11/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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    #8913731 - 09/11/08 05:34 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I think a better solution to this issue would be to make a DXM Safety sticky.

If it's that much of a problem, then rather than split hairs over the dangerous potential of certain drugs, you should make safety information more easily and obviously available.

If you're worried about young kids getting high on dxm and having the shroomery be responsible, then instead of hiding its discussion in a certain forum and discouraging members from giving advice about it, you should be doing the opposite.


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    #8919805 - 09/12/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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I think a better solution to this issue would be to make a DXM Safety sticky.

If it's that much of a problem, then rather than split hairs over the dangerous potential of certain drugs, you should make safety information more easily and obviously available.

If you're worried about young kids getting high on dxm and having the shroomery be responsible, then instead of hiding its discussion in a certain forum and discouraging members from giving advice about it, you should be doing the opposite.



exactly!

by chastizing people who ask questions about DXM you are turning them away with NO info which is MUCH more dangerous than giving them valid facts.

*just because there are other sites dedicated to DXM, doesnt mean that a novice/noob will know about them. so the info they get here could possibly be the only info they get. the shroomery forums come up at the top of the list for many search terms, and the dedicated DXM forums sometimes dont appear until the 2nd google page...

*just because someone inquires about DXM doesnt mean they are a 14 year old punk ass kid... this is a ridiculous (and common) assumption. even if that was the case, the fact that they tried to research it before taking it should be respected.

*just because you dont like DXM doesnt give you the right to look down on those who do... im sure quite a few people on these forums use heroin/coke regularly (which is MUCH more dangerous) and i personally feel is stupid, but i'm not gonna make them feel bad about it.

the reason all these kids get sick/die when they take DXM: they bought/stole the only product they know ("skittles" "CCC" Coricidin or whatever they call it) the Chlorphineramine maleate in this product can be deadly even when only double the medicinal dose, and IMO should be taken off the market. this could EASILY be avoided if there were a safety sheet. you don't need to turn into a DXM fan club just because you display helpful/safe info.

perhaps simply list products that are obvious/known to be unsafe/lethal when used, and then send them on their way to Erowid, where they can find much more useful (and potentially life saving) information.

just my 2 cents. :]

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    #8919879 - 09/12/08 05:23 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Why do people keep bumping this OLD OLD OLD thread... when they don't even read all the posts before replying?



and i did read all 9 pages before posting...

i was compelled to reply because i found this thread ridiculously uninformed and biased...

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    #8920231 - 09/12/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yeah telling people not to do it or post about it and not giving them a legit reason why, or even including some legit facts, or even the positives, or where they can go to learn about it, is kinda the same kind of teaching that DARE does, and we all know how well that program has worked for our children.

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Re: undefined [Re: CptnGarden]
    #8922141 - 09/13/08 03:51 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

This thread is no longer valid.

It was started years ago and only recently bumped by someone who ignored the "you are bumping an old thread." warning.

Yes, when I started this thread, this forum's mods WERE uninformed. That is precisely why we didn't wish to moderate posts about this potentially unsate, and non-psychedelic substance.

If you can't read nine pages, don't reply to a nine page thread. If you can read nine pages, don't bump it when it is so obviously outdated.


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    #8922180 - 09/13/08 04:10 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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This thread is no longer valid.

It was started years ago and only recently bumped by someone who ignored the "you are bumping an old thread." warning.

Yes, when I started this thread, this forum's mods WERE uninformed. That is precisely why we didn't wish to moderate posts about this potentially unsate, and non-psychedelic substance.

If you can't read nine pages, don't reply to a nine page thread. If you can read nine pages, don't bump it when it is so obviously outdated.




no wonder your no longer a mod, its amazing you even were one.

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    #8929039 - 09/14/08 03:19 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

To follow your logic to it's conclusion:

People don't need to understand mushrooms to moderate this forum.

For God's sake, there is another forum here, to discuss OTHER drugs.

Y'all are crying over spilled milk... THREE years too late.

It entertains me to see so many dexers refuse to read a thread before they reply.

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    #8929844 - 09/14/08 06:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Aight here's all I'm going to say.

Peace and love.

What the fuck are you guys arguing about?  I've done DXM, I don't mind it, not my favorite, but it's definetly a Psychedelic...

Anyway...who cares about drug classification, everyone's welcome IMO...why exclude? 

So please...stop arguing about useless things, the Mods will decide whether they can post here, it's a simple click of a mouse anyway.

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    #8931238 - 09/14/08 11:32 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Aside from telling me to relax, which has nothing to do with anything...

That was a sensible post... And it sums up what I have been trying to say.

It is up to the mods. Period.

Out of curiosity, why do you think dex is a psychedelic? Hallucinations do not automatically mean it is a psychedelic. Do you have a link to a source?


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    #8932440 - 09/15/08 10:04 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Aside from telling me to relax, which has nothing to do with anything...

That was a sensible post... And it sums up what I have been trying to say.

It is up to the mods. Period.

Out of curiosity, why do you think dex is a psychedelic? Hallucinations do not automatically mean it is a psychedelic. Do you have a link to a source?



when used properly DXM is very much a psychedelic and also hallucinogenic, producing profound (and possibly life changing) spiritual experiences. here are some wiki articles that explain this reasoning... of course the effects of the drug are the reasoning behind my comparison, not the definition of a word...

this is how Wikipedia describes the word 'psychedelic'. this definition in no way shape or form excludes DXM from being described as such...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_drug

Quote: "Psychedelic drugs are psychoactive drugs whose primary action is to alter the thought processes of the brain and perception of the mind. The term is derived from the Greek words ψυχή (psyche, "mind") and δηλείν (delein, "to manifest"), translating to "mind-manifesting." The implication is that the psychedelic drugs can access and develop unused potentials of the human mind." [1] Psychedelic drugs are part of a wider class sometimes known as the hallucinogens, which also includes related substances such as dissociatives and deliriants."

DXM is classified as a psychedelic on Erowid.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/

DXM wiki where it is classified as 'a dissociative hallucinogenic'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextromethorphan

and here on an anti-dxm site, again described as hallucinogenic.
http://www.voiceofthevictims.com/aboutdxm.htm

hopefully, some of this info helps better explain the reasoning.

Peace!

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    #8932484 - 09/15/08 10:24 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i think someones brain is source enough to decide wether DXM produces psychedelic effects or not

just cause it doesnt produce similar effects to mushrooms or LSD doesnt mean its not a psychedelic

psychedelics include dissociatives

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    #8932566 - 09/15/08 10:45 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

not sure I'd consider pcp a psychedelic (pcp used to be my fav drug, done both high doses of pcp and dxm), and dxm is sort of like a really weak version of pcp; both are nmda-antags, and both have affinity for sigma (dxm has weak affinity)

psychedelics tend to 'expand the mind', hence the loose translation of the greek roots of the word. dissociatives show you "the void"; the mind is detached


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    #8932597 - 09/15/08 10:52 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I don't really see how you can argue that something that so profoundly alters your reality isn't psychedelic. Dissociatives essentially eliminate everything except your mind. Dissociatives allow you to delve deeply into your subconscious. Really, I think that arguing that DXM isn't psychedelic is likely drug elitism more than anything else. People tend to look down on and snub DXM just because it is easily obtained and/or they don't personally like it.


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    #8932628 - 09/15/08 10:59 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

by that rationale, nitrous and air duster are psychedelics too. they profoundly alter your consciousness for the duration of the experience. perhaps the same case could be made for tequila (ethanol is also an nmda-antagonist). many people have come to profound (albeit sometimes delusional) realizations after a few shots.
there you have it...jose cuervo is a psychedelic


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Re: undefined [Re: piracetam]
    #8932632 - 09/15/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

^Air duster? Maybe. I doubt it, but I've never done it. Nos? I'd say so. I just don't see any way that dissociatives are NOT psychedelic by the definition of the word. And in the OP, safety is cited as an issue? And amanitas are considered an acceptable topic here? What?


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    #8932653 - 09/15/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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^Air duster? Maybe. I doubt it, but I've never done it. Nos? I'd say so.




i've done both, the experiences are identical.

i have a hard time considering dissociatives "psychedelic", as much as I used to love doing them. PCP and LSD are like night and day, respectively. had many intuitive insights on things under its influence. PCP, DXM, and ketamine were more of a comfortable numbness, never had any profound thoughts, but delusions of grandeur


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    #8932667 - 09/15/08 11:06 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

^I'm not denying your experience, but I have a hard time believing that, somehow. Duster is practically getting high off brain damage. Nos isn't neurotoxic.


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    #8932700 - 09/15/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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^I'm not denying your experience, but I have a hard time believing that, somehow. Duster is practically getting high off brain damage. Nos isn't neurotoxic.




how is that relevant?

both feel like you're watching everything on 8mm film @ 12fps.
perhaps it's easier to scoff at air duster, given how easy it is to acquire :tongue:


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    #8932723 - 09/15/08 11:14 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Its relevant because they have very different MOAs.


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    #8932744 - 09/15/08 11:18 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Its relevant because they have very different MOAs.




such as?

also, inhaling ether vapors (quite safe, unless you  spark a lighter in your mouth) feel similar to both.
i certainly wouldn't consider it a psychedelic.

all of these agents are dissociatives, with very similar subjective  effects. some have different MOAs, but by your rationale, 'psychedelic' isn't defined by MOA


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    #8932760 - 09/15/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

^Well, I wasn't referring to MOA as a definition tool, I was just pointing out why it is relevant to their effects. As far as I am concerned, "psychedelic" is a fairly broad umbrella encompassing dissociatives, deleriants, and classical 5-HT psychedelics. Deleriants are discussed here. Datura CERTAINLY doesn't fit within the OP's claimed safety profile. I don't see how it is OK to discuss deleriants and not dissociatives.


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    #8932820 - 09/15/08 11:33 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

agreed.

as far as air duster.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrafluoroethane

it's relatively non-toxic, unless one binges to the point of asphyxiation.
and I can't find anything regarding neurotoxicity, though I certainly don't condone its use. its effects are similar to nitrous


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Re: undefined [Re: LSDreamer]
    #8932825 - 09/15/08 11:34 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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^Well, I wasn't referring to MOA as a definition tool, I was just pointing out why it is relevant to their effects. As far as I am concerned, "psychedelic" is a fairly broad umbrella encompassing dissociatives, deleriants, and classical 5-HT psychedelics. Deleriants are discussed here. Datura CERTAINLY doesn't fit within the OP's claimed safety profile. I don't see how it is OK to discuss deleriants and not dissociatives.




agreed... datura definitely does not fit into the safety profile. thats teh first thing i thought of while reading previous posts.

oh... and nos and dusters are different... if youre ignorant about it you won't see much of a difference, but if you're looking, the differences are definitely there. not to mention youre fucking killing your brain with dusters. its liek saying mushrooms and acid are the same thing because they both make you trip in similar ways.

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    #8932829 - 09/15/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I've never really seen any explicit evidence of its toxicity, but I've just seen people hella fucked up from abusing it. :shrug:


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    #8932857 - 09/15/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, it's probably not a great idea to abuse it; you probably do deprive the brain of oxygen. might as well do autoerotic asphyxiation :tongue:

hah...sorry for jacking your thread, cervantes.


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    #8934871 - 09/15/08 05:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Times were different here at The Shroomery three years ago, when this thread was made...

We'd recently lost a beloved member of this community... and his death actually brought the national media here. Imagine news reporters out in the open here... fishing for news. At that time, it was a no-brainer... we moved DEX talk to ODD... a private forum, invisible to new members.

This forum used to be called Trip Tips. We changed the name and moved it to the top of the forum list... which quickly made this the most popular forum here.

The increase in traffic and the public nature of this forum meant the Staff had to try several new ideas... in order to get this forum to run smoothly. This thread is a relic of those times.


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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: zSDMF]
    #18286458 - 05/19/13 03:37 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Ohhh yes if this isn't the truth. It is definitely a dangerous drug. It found its way into my life, sadly, and I had 2 seizures on it. (Un)fortunately I wasn't able to go to the hospital.


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Re: Please, No DXM Posts in The Psychedelic Experience Forum!!! [Re: Rose]
    #25937796 - 04/16/19 10:03 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

This is why we need to legalize all drugs (with appropriate controls where necessary). If people are desperate enough to drink large doses of cough syrup (DXM) and antidiarrheal drugs (Immodium) why can't we just legalize the safer and more fun drugs like psychedelics and marijuana?

Plus if people are on this forum, they should know that there are much better options than cough syrup.

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